Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/State Socialism

State Socialism

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duplicate page of state socialism made by using lower case letters. editors have suggested one is otto bismarck, and the other not, yet he appears prominent in both pages. many of the sources for both pages use uppers, or lower case not aligned with the specific article cases. Darkstar1st (talk) 11:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The term "state socialism" may refer to different things, which justifies separate articles, per WP:DISAMBIG. The social welfare policies developed by the German Conservative Party in the 1870s and 1880s are a different topic from the economic policies developed by Communist parties in the 20th century. The first btw is normally capitalized, italicized or parenthesized. It could be that one of the articles should be trimmed so that it covers a discreet topic. TFD (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The distinctive Bismarckian system, which raided some of the ideas of the international socialist opposition in order to undercut and fight it, was indeed known as "State Socialism." That is what this article is about. It is the object of extensive scholarly study and meets GNG with flying colors. The other piece is a general article on the concept of State Socialism. The current piece needs to be retitled, that is all, and a disambiguation link placed at the top of the piece on State Socialism In General. Carrite (talk) 15:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There is something wrong with the code on this particular AfD, which automatically duplicates itself in two places on this page. Can somebody fix that? Carrite (talk) 15:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - As to titles... Perhaps a change to State Socialism for the "State Socialism in General" page (including the caps) and changing the piece in question here to State Socialism in Germany? Carrite (talk) 15:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- We need a clearer distinction in the titles. What about "State Socialism (Germany)" and "State socialism" with a hatnote saying not to be confused with State Socialism (Germany)? (My reading is that there are only two concepts.) TFD (talk) 16:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep along with hatnotes, or a dab page. Bearian (talk) 22:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Bismarckian state socialism is a notable and well covered topic although, as per Carrite, some solution regarding disambiguation needs to be arranged, most likely with this article being moved and the general article holding the generic title. Keresaspa (talk) 00:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keresapa, or any of the above keeps, what is the major difference between Bismarckian state socialism and state socialism, and how does that justify it's own article instead of a section on the articles page? Darkstar1st (talk) 01:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bismarck's State Socialism was social welfare policies developed by the German Conservative Party in the 1870s and 1880s, while state socialism refers to economic policies developed by Communist parties in the 20th century. TFD (talk) 03:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]