Talk:2012 Summer Olympics and Paralympics gold post boxes

With or without space

There is a mixture of postbox and post box in the article we should standardise on one form or other. Keith D (talk) 19:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Our own article seems to prefer "post box" for Brit Eng... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

As do Royal Mail [1] - Basement12 (T.C) 20:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Made consistent. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

United Kingdom

Carl Hester has a box painted in Sark which is not in the United Kingdom.--Egghead06 (talk) 05:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Not Royal Mail either... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The same is true for Peter Kennaugh's box on the Isle of Man - Basement12 (T.C) 15:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Noted in the lead now. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

GeoGroup labels

The labels in the coordinates templates do not display on the GeoGroup / Google map. Does anybody know how to fix the syntax ? e.g. ..{.{.coord|50.758|N|1.538|W|display=inline|Name=Ben Ainslie}.} ..Thanks Chienlit (talk) 14:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The {.{ GeoGroup }.} data at Wikimedia Toolserver only appears to be updated every weekend. Does anybody know how to trigger an immediate update/refresh to show the latest changes? Thanks again Chienlit (talk) 14:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Lead split

It may be a bit early but I've split the lead because we've already got items that really aren't (a) in the UK and (b) by the Royal Mail. We've got vandalised items, we've got groups of medal winners with a gold box. And then. more importantly, we're about to head into the Paralympics so all things being equal, the lead will get out of hand. I hope you all understand why I've I done what I've done, and continue to support the development of a really nice, niche list. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I may be very wrong but I thought they weren't doing these for the Paralympics. I definately remember something about the stamps.Blethering Scot 18:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll just slap myself. Hasn't read the article as recently as it was updated. Sorry.Blethering Scot 18:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Nae bother. I think Royal Mail did a massive u-turn. So perhaps some suggestions here as to how we restructure would be good. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Splitting it is sensible, I've changed one of the headings as not all the unofficial boxes were gold. I wonder if, given the number of medalists we are likely to have, we may need to have a separate article for the Paralympic boxes? It would be nice to keep them together and if we do we'll need to rethink the title (see the section below) - Basement12 (T.C) 21:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Title

Personally I think the title is not great, at the very least it is too long. Then, as explained above, this article covers locations outside just the United Kingdom. Plus if they do the same for the Paralympics then the Olympics part will be wrong, and the article discusses post boxes that a) aren't gold (i.e. the 'unofficial' ones) and b) weren't just for 2012 (like the one in Henley). So all in all the title is pretty inaccurate... I don't know what to change it to, perhaps just Olympic post boxes would work. It's not fantastic, but I think it needs to be changed.--23230 ^talk 21:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I tend to agree, but until we can agree on the content we should hold off unnecessary page moves. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

We can of course wait a while but the essential facts are here now. Because it is most unlikely there will ever be more Olympic gold post boxes, once the paralympics are over, there seems little need for the title to contain the year which is well stated in the prose. However the use of United Kingdom in the title is misleading specifically because it was Team GB who competed and for whom the post boxes were painted gold. All competitors for whom the post boxes were painted competed for Team GB; there was no Team UK, which was a controversial name choice, but the United Kingdom, per se, did not compete on the 2012 Olympics. Medalists from Northern Ireland did not compete for Team GB but for Ireland by their own choice. My initial rename suggestion is Olympic gold post boxes in Great Britain and if there are paralympic gold post boxes then we would need to include that which would of course lengthen the title again. Perhaps an even shorter simpler rename could be Gold post boxes in Great Britain; the lede explains what they were for. ww2censor (talk) 14:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is totally wrong. The name Team GB is controversial, but that is because it covers the entire United Kingdom and in fact beyond, NOT just Great Britain. The debate is clearly defined at Team GB and Great Britain at the 2012 Summer Olympics. Your proposed title would be incorrect, as it happens there were no Northern Irish gold medal winners in the Olympics so they don't get a postbox but there were plenty from outside Great Britain, specifically on the Isle of Man and Sark in the Channel Islands. There were British competitors from other overseas territories such as Gibraltar, if they had won a medal then there would probably have been a golden postbox there.

Northern Irish athletes have the choice to compete for Team GB or Ireland correct, due to the complex dual citizenship arrangements there, but saying Medalists from Northern Ireland did not compete for Team GB but for Ireland by their own choice is absurd and frankly ignorant, people from Northern Ireland won 5 medals in total [2], though no golds, and there were others from Belfast who chose to compete for Ireland. There is nothing saying, and in fact it is pretty possible, that there won't be a Northern Irish gold medallist from the Paralympics.

So yes, what you say about Northern Ireland is just wrong and your proposed title is incorrect, but as incorrect as the existing one since the article already covers areas outside both the United Kingdom and Great Britain.--23230 ^talk 14:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

2012 Olympics gold post boxes in the United Kingdom → 2012 Olympics and Paralympics gold post boxes in the United Kingdom – - this lists the post boxes dedicated to both Olympians and Paralympians. Simply south...... eating shoes for just 6 years 19:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I've pointed out the name issue above, but I would strongly support moving it to 2012 Olympics and Paralympics gold post boxes if we are going to move it, dropping the in the United Kingdom bit. There's no reason to keep that since no other country has done anything similar, so keeping the country in the title is unnecessary lengthening it and the article makes it perfectly clear what country the post boxes are in.--23230 ^talk 10:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)