Talk:John Cena

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Requesting Lock on Article

I would like to request a lock on this article due to the increasing vandalism leading up to WrestleMania 22.
Can a lock be put up, and then can it be removed after this Sunday? 69.181.81.102 03:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, just a lock on unregistered users would be fine. In fact, many wrestler articles need a perma anon lock due to constant vandalism and the constant adding of play-by-play information that is not encyclopedic. --Naha|^(talk) 04:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and got this done because I'm tired of the nonsense that keeps getting added. At least nonsense will require a wikipedia account now /shrug --Naha|^(talk) 09:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Six Moves of Doom: incorrect?

I think Cena's Six Moves of Doom should be like this:

1. Multiple clotheslines or diving shoulder block 2. Sit-out hip toss 3. Spin-out powerbomb 4. Five Knuckle Shuffle 5. F-U 6. STF-U

i want to be diva how do u do it i am 16 and moving to amrica when i am 18 and be a oneof the sexy diva and marrie john cena

Why does Cena alone amongst wrestlers, get his moveset named? The vast majority of Pro Wrestlers have a list moves they do like that. Does anyone think this is really necessary, and if so, why? BoosterBronze 16:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)BoosterBronze[reply]

Wikipedia didn't decide to arbitrarily name his move list - his fans did. They are referred to as this on several websites. --Naha|^(talk) 20:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Concering Cena's "Six Moves of Death"....

It's not a damned fact! People have said !@#$ like this about other wrestlers, but it's the fans who have said it, therefore it is NOT OFFICIAL! In fact, if you're going to add the "Six Moves of Death" to Cena, then you might as well add the "Three Moves of Death" to Triple H:1)High Knee, 2)Facebuster knee smack, & 3)The Pedigree. If you aren't going to add that to Triple H, then remove the same thing from Cena.

DarknessProductionsInc 03:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You just stated the reason why and don't seem to even realise it: No fans have, as far as I am aware, coined a term for Triple H's moves but they have for Cena's. If there was a widely known name for Triple H's moves it would be in his article. Just because the nickname for Cena's move list was generated by his fans doesn't mean it shouldn't mentioned in the article. Professional Wrestling is about the fans, when a term becomes widely used, its accepted regardless of its origin. It would be one thing if a random wikipedia editor decided to call Cena's moves by a certain name, but its not just one person - its many many fans calling it this and that is what makes it notable; we're going to list the moves anyway, so why not throw in the term they are known by while we're at it. Basically, this is not the type of information that has to be offical insofar as having to come from the promotion. --Naha|^(talk) 17:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then, why isn't the same type of moveset on Bret Hart's bio? Hmmmm?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by DarknessProductionsInc (talk • contribs)

Because nobody's bothered to write it. --Antrophica 03:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah what Antrophica said. *sigh* I suppose I should have said "If there was a widely known name for Triple H's moves you would be welcomed to add it to his article." But then again everyone around here is so damn literal. Can't take the spirit of a comment, must pick it apart. I even catch myself doing this now... --Naha|^(talk) 05:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in Triple H's defense, his moves don't come in a predictable sequence. --Antrophica 07:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another excellent point. --Naha|^(talk) 13:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is called five moves of doom not six

Any fan worth their salt knows the term as Five moves of doom. Calling it Six moves of doom is just a Cena fan boy/girl who wants to make him look better. This is not about making him look bad or good it is just a simple fact that the referance has been Five moves of doom since the beging. I have tried to edit it but it just keeps getting put back. You shoulnd't edit the page of a wresler unless you know somthing about wrestling. Please fix this. --Stupify 07:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Six" is starting to catch on due to the incorporation of the new finisher, the STF-U, and there's no reason not to include it. --Antrophica 08:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Six is not he phrase. Plus he very rarley uses the protobomb. It should be changed to five even if does more moves because it is the Five moves of doom. That or just remove it. I feel that if somthing is inacurate it should be fixed or removed all togather. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

He uses the Protobomb in most of his matches, which means it's not a very rare or even a rare occurrence. As for the "# Moves of Doom", I won't bother to repeat myself. --Antrophica 19:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea I wouldn't want to repeat my self if I was wrong either. It is very clear you know nothing about wrestling you changed the phrase for Cena to make him look better. Fan boy/Girls piss me off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

First of all, Antrophica trying to make him look better? I'm sure that is the farthest thing from ~~her~~ his mind: Ant is one of the editors who insisted in putting back the fan backlash section - so I seriously doubt any intentions on ~~her~~ his part were in defense of this wrestler. I fail to see any bias regarding this issue.

Ant is also a fine editor, which brings me to my second point: Please refrain from personal attacks. Debate opinions and points, not the people who make them. There is no reason to get angry or call people names, especially people who don't deserve it.

Third, I've seen both "Five" and "Six" used in several places - "Six" is, as she says, starting to catch on. However, I'm not sure its the most popular phrase yet. I just did an Advanced Google search and came up with the following results:

"Fix moves of doom" - 507 hits
"5 moves of doom" - 599 hits
"Six moves of doom" - 47 hits
"6 moves of doom" - 32 hits.

While I am inclined to agree that his moveset currently consists of 6 moves, this search seems to indicate that "6" has not taken over yet. Five or Six, its not really that important, the body of the articles is. --Naha|^(talk) 20:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been thinking, we could put it back at Five until Six really catches on, that would also mean a long drawn-out explanation about how the STF-U comes in.

Slight digression: I've always prided myself in understanding women, but I'm fairly sure I'm a, if slightly effeminate, male. --Antrophica 06:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I took a stab at it. With nothing to go on (your blank user page), and your username ending in "a" I thought "she" was a slighty educated guess. I actually wrote that whole post using "they and their" in place of "she and her" at first, but in hindsight though it looked stupid so I changed all the pronouns before hitting "Save page". Win some, lose some! At any rate, my apologies, good sir! --Naha|^(talk) 15:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it. I've had people make the same mistake in real life. Maybe it has something to do with me being a beautiful, beautiful man. Better stop right here.

Oh, and he/she > they. --Antrophica 17:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:) --Naha|^(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fan Backlash

If you are going to discuss the fan backlash it should be added that their are fans who don't like him because they think he is not a skilled wrestler. I don't care about his charecter or how he is in the media all I care about is the fact that he is limited in the ring but that is left out of this biased bio. --Stupify 07:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cena was known as a competent wrestler with substantial charisma before he sunk so deeply into his current gimmick. Fans who've kept up with him aren't angry because he's an incompetent wrestler but because he's placed these limits on himself and changed his wrestling style quite drastically. --Antrophica 08:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correction on your statment I watched Cena in OVW and on smackdown and considered him incompatent through out all of that so yes they do consider him a bad wrestler go to any wrestling community in the world and 95 percent of the people who don't like him will tell you that is why they don't. I didn't like him as prototype and I don't like him as Cena I think he is one of the worst wrestlers in the last 10 years.

Neither of you can speak for everyone who dislikes him, no one can. Its absurd to think otherwise. Although, Antrophica's statements seem to be closer to the opinions I typically hear. --Naha|^(talk) 18:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naha I agree! He cannot wrestle, he is only the WWE Champion becuase he is marketable, there are guys in the WWE that will rip him apart when it comes to wrestling ability. He has held the belt for way too long and I think that it is about time that someone else competent holds the belt, while he goes to OVW and get some training! The reason he is having fan backlash is becuase his reign has become boring and fans are started to see that Cena cannot wrestle. Anyone who thinks he can knows absoltuely nothing about Professional Wrestling. (Fr3nZi3 18:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I've said my piece about Cena, which I believe to adhere to the consensus, especially IWC columnists. Let's not let this degenerate into a debate about personal beliefs. --Antrophica 18:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a debate about personal beliefs it should just be added that some of the fans think he is a poor wrestler it is a fact that there are fans who think this so it should be added. I know it wont given the obvious bias to Cena by what ever fan Boy / Girl wrote this

The Deal with John Cena's Myspace

His Myspace page was removed because reports say that it was either hacked and removed or just plain removed by the people who were running it. A kid immediately took up the name so that it would not be a page for IWC members to turn it into a bash-fest against Cena. The page on Myspace now is ran by the kid, not WWE.
The kid said that he'll hand over the page to WWE if and when they want it back. Blacklist 22:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New protection

Maybe it's time to protect the article again. Vandalism goes on numerous times a day, and it's only getting worse. --Antrophica 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Please see the conversation on the top of this talk page and feel free to chime in there; I would like to keep Freak and Splash informed if possible. Maybe with your support and comments they will reconsider. --Naha|^(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. The IWC/"Haters" will only continue to vandalize the page until Cena loses the title. --Blacklist 00:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...Well it sure beats the "Apologists"/Cena supporters from keeping some things in the dark and denying it's not JUST IWC haters that despise Cena anymore Dr. R.K.Z.

Bad edits, vandalism, and constant nonsense added to this and other wrestling articles are not the fault of any one particular type of fan, rather they are widespread. --Naha|^(talk) 05:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All I am asking for

I am not asking that you say Cena is the worst wrestler ever and state it as a fact I am simply requesting that you don't make it a one sided page. Just let it be known that there are fans who think he is a very poor wrestler I can link you to sites where it is freaquantly talked about. There are hundreds of people who don't like Cena for his ring work they deserve to at least be acknoledged. I have never once vandilaized his page I have been nice and simply showed another side you could at least show consideration in that matter.

Just asking for a line like "Some fans believe that John Cena has a poor work rate" or is not a skilled wrestler. All you have to do is add some fans in front of it and it is simply showing that there is another side. It seems very biased to simply say that he is only disliked because people are tired of him. That is an insult to all the fans who watch wrestler because they like to watch a match and not for the entertainment.--66.75.215.145 18:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]