Talk:Estelle Morris

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Article name

Estelle Morris is known exclusively as Estelle Morris as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Other non-royal names - 2. Life Peers the article title should not include her life peerage.

The reason this was done as a Cut-and-Paste move is that it had been moved in this fashion (in reverse) in January.

I will move it back to Estelle Morris. If you want to dispute this then do so here. Engage constructively and prove me wrong. Frelke 11:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Moving a page. (As for "The reason this was done as a Cut-and-Paste move is that it had been moved in this fashion (in reverse) in January", all I can say is "no it wasn't". See its history if you don't believe me.) If you hadn't cut-and-pasted, you could have overwritten the redirect yourself. Proteus (Talk) 11:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm totally confused now. How should it be moved then ?Frelke 11:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I had to delete Estelle Morris so that I could move it there. Proteus (Talk) 14:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Frelke 16:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Married?

Can we source whether she is married (and if so to whom)? BlueValour 03:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. The person apparently continues to be largely known, personally as well as professionally, by her pre-titular name. --rgpk (comment) 16:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Estelle Morris → Estelle Morris, Baroness Morris of Yardley. Relisted in hopes of broader discussion. Orlady (talk) 05:21, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Best known widely for being the Education Secretary, Member of the House of Commons and for her column in the Guardian. Not known by her title and no disambiguation is required for this title.--Lucy-marie (talk) 14:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. WP:NCPEER is quite clear. This peeress is no longer wholly or exclusively known by her pre-peerage nomenclature. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in the strongest possible terms for consistency in naming per policy and guidelines like WP:COMMONNAME, WP:TITLE, WP:D and WP:PRECISION that apply to all Wikipedia article titles. The subject is most commonly known by the current title; adding peerage information is additional precision that is completely unnecessary, all good reasons to ignore WP:NCPEER. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
B2C's arguments are bogus, because the policy WP:TITLE explicitly permits topic-specific naming conventions such as WP:NCPEER. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Politicians who have been ennobled are almost invariably known by their titles thereafter. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Necrothesp. Morris retired from the Commons relatively young, and continues to be politically active. She is knwnn by her title in the various roles she has undertaken since 2005. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - She doesnt write for the Guardian under her ennobled title she just uses Estelle Morris as shown here, so she is known to the readers of the Guardian as just Estelle Morris.

Oppose, best known for being a cabinet minister, and see above comment - she continues to be best known as Estelle, and that name needs no disambiguation.--Kotniski (talk) 09:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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