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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 8, 2011.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Christopher Nolan has said that he plans to direct a final installment of his Batman trilogy titled The Dark Knight Rises for release in 2012?


John Blake ending

I think the end of the Plot section should say he becomes a new hero because the Batman legend is over. That's what it hints at with the tagline. Also, Gotham believes that Batman is dead. It would take away from the identity of Batman. Sean (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot put our own interpretations into the plot. We're only reporting what is actually shown, and in summary form.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:53, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On that note then, it says "Batman is later praised as a hero, while Bruce is assumed killed in the riots." Why do we assume Bruce was killed in the riots?129.139.1.75 (talk) 19:17, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To be precise, I am not sure. It is clear that he is presumed dead (hence the reading of his will), I think someone probably added the "in the riots" part because it was the only logical place for them to believe he was killed. It can and probably should be removed to just say that Bruce is presumed dead.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, saying Blake inherits the Batcave is better until we know how the story will progress. I think there should be more emphasis on Blake's appearance as a character though, as he clearly will be a main feature of whatever the future holds and has been primed as 'Robin'. Here, he doesn't even get a mention in the opening paragraph! FloreatAntiquaDomus 12:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey, someone on ask.com made a good point that Batman is still alive, and the last sequences aren't just showing what his old friends want to see: Alfred didn't know that Bruce was in love with Selina Kyle, so that's an actual surprise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.168.109.200 (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect presumption in article.

​ In the article it is stated that the bomb presumably killes Batman, however in the movie it is revealed that the autopilot has been fixed by Bruce Wayne months earlier, I believe there should be some mention of this in the article.

There is. Not sure why you stopped reading the plot mid way, but keep on going and there it is.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 21 August 2012

The article needs to be edited to include a reference to the allusion (provided late in the movie) that Blake is Robin. Bunnycoat (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is, it's in the cast section under the character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Robin

Why is it just a "reference"? Blake has characteristics of three Robins, works alongside Batman to take down some thugs and gets called Robin before taking over the batcave, and Gordon-Levitt pretty much confirms it in interviews by saying he wanted to keep the identity a secret and gives a smile and a "it would be fun" when asked about a spin-off. Again, why just a "reference"? The character is the trilogy's version of Robin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokerfan2009 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the original research. Please cite a reliable source that can verify this. DonQuixote (talk) 13:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why is calling it a reference to Robin not substantial enough JokerFan? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And why does the plotbloating continue with this, DWB? --Eaglestorm (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Joseph Gordon-Levitt's interview with HollywoodReporter from a few days ago, not sure if I'm allowed to post links so just look it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokerfan2009 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This? The article does nothing at all to confirm anything else other than what is already listed. The writer says his name is Robin, but Levitt himself never says he's "Robin." By "spoiling the surprise," he could mean a number of things. Perhaps it was only intended to be an Easter egg. Maybe it means something more. There's no other source to say otherwise. QValintyne (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, come on. It's been what, two months since the movie hit theaters? Why hasn't anyone denied it yet then? Everyone who saw the movie came out thinking Blake was Robin all along, if he wasn't Nolan's version of the character then why hasn't anyone, of all the interviews since the release(especially the linked one since the interviewer flat out asked him about the Robin part), dismissed it yet? Bale never wanted a sidekick, so Nolan was smart enough to give us Robin, while still not giving Batman a full time sidekick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.251.136.18 (talk) 18:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it works. It has to be affirmed. The burden of proof is on you. DonQuixote (talk) 21:01, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Until someone can cite a source with Nolan saying, "Blake is my interpretation of DC's Robin character," this can only be considered original research. One can infer all they want, but inferences cannot be used as fact. QValintyne (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, this is not an interview transcript. He may have asked him solely about the Robin name and reworded his article to make it fit his purpose (to make the DC Robin connection).

There is a big difference between:

Interviewer: Are you Robin from the DC universe?
Interviewee: Yes and no. *laughs*

and...

Interviewer: How did you feel about keeping the secret about your character's name?
Interviewee: Well, I like going into movies not knowing what's going to happen, so I didn't want to spoil it, so it wasn't that difficult.

I could easily reword the response given for each question to fit my agenda. It happens quite a bit in political articles. QValintyne (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've been waiting patiently for something to come out, someone to once and for all confirm if this was Nolan's version of the comics and Joseph Gordon-Levitt would finally do so in his recent interview with David Letterman. September 17 2012 is the date, look it up it's on youtube, he wastes no time and spills it around the 2 minute mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokerfan2009 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why no reply? I'm serious, he flat out confirmed that his character was Nolan's version of Robin -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m25syGdFogA

At least connect his name in the cast to the Robin page, we don't want readers to be confused and think it was merely a nod now do we?

Hero/Superhero

"The Dark Knight Rises is a 2012 superhero film....". Sorry if this is old hat but Batman is not a superhero, as most fans of the genre understand. Straightseer (talk) 21:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The genre of the film is still classified as that. I get that you're arguing that the character himself is not a "superhero", and thus the film cannot be a "superhero film". From my understanding, Batman has always been classified as a "superhero", given that said qualifier does NOT require actual superpowers.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:46, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say it bothers me per se—I would have personally classed it as a superhero film too—but for what it's worth both Allmovie and the NYtimes classify its genre as action/crime. Even though it's not RS, IMDB also labels it as action/crime too. Betty Logan (talk) 22:46, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And this is one of the reasons why I don't like using genre's in the lead. Film's today fall under so many different genres, and it's a mouthful to read in a sentence.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:47, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Development

An explicit mentioning to Charles Dickens novel "A Tale of Two Cities" (with the corresponding link to the wiki article of the novel) would be tremendously enriching for casual readers on the Development section.

current post: "Chris Nolan said that his brother's original draft was about 400 pages."

proposed edit: "Chris Nolan said that his brother's original draft was about 400 pages and that he drew a lot of influence from Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities."

The reference at the end of the current statement [#69] already supports the proposed change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obiwalt (talk • contribs) 01:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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