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Pushing discredited 'sources'

You should read the following carefully as it comes from the Anna Anderson discussion page from Trusilver :

I will give one opinion on this and allow it to be interpreted as you will: Every person that achieves any form of celebrity status during their lifetime will eventually (especially after they are dead and can't pursue claims of libel) have something written about them that is patently false and easily provable as such. Fringe authors have repeatedly written books detailing life events of famous historical figures that conflict with the writings of others. In these situations, it has been past Wikipedia practice to not lend weight to that which can be easily disproven. Not every opinion is equal and Wikipedia does not have any obligation to give equal weight to all sides of an obviously lopsided disagreement of fact. That being said, I'm going to to open an RfC today for this article (bear with me, I'm busy today) and perhaps we will get some other opinions. Trusilver 16:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Finneganw 23:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

CC for your reference

--- On Sat, 6/6/09, REV. ANTONIO HERNANDEZ wrote:


From: REV. ANTONIO HERNANDEZ Subject: Administrators Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 3:57 PM


Dear Administrator(s),

I am former user RevAntonio. Yesterday my 30-day ban lifted, an unjust range-block applied by administrator Trusilver. Though it was wrong of me, I posted a warning to certain users who are hounding and attemtping to terrorize me. I see Trusilver has passed the torch to you, and seems to be implying that he's leaving Wikipedia soon. So I post to you, though I know I shouldn't be posting at all, to ask assistance with one issue:

Sometime after being granted the Right to Vanish, I posted a bit at Talk:Anna Anderson, where all the trouble is centred. I shouldn't have done that, but there it is. It also happens that my IP address fluctuates because I am on the net as a business--I cannot help that, my provider tells me. Please, I am requesting administrative intervention at the Anna Anderson talk page and other talk pages, to stop those users from persisting with their knowingly false accusations. The users are Lisa, aggiebean and finneganw--surely you know of them, as they rant on every page they are able. Since user Lisa has been in a great deal of past trouble, she is keeping a much lower profile, but the other two usernames will surely be ranting at you sooner or later.

Although they and Trusilver know who I am, they have all, in collusion, persisted in accusing me of sock-puppetry, vandalization, edit-warring, threats, and other vile nonsense. They had been warned by Trusilver recently to stop the accusations of sock-puppetry, Trusilver informing them that multiple IPs do NOT constitute sock-puppetry. They of course have ignored the direction. My identity matters, because I have posted personal information in the past, and these users find a safe haven by accusing me of being many other users. It is one of their favorite tactics, to chase away editors from the Anna Anderson page.

It is sort of a game with them to make vicious accusations against users they do not like. Admittedly, I do have an abrasive history with these users...assuming it is more than one user...and as a result, it has been Trusilver's sport to harshly punish me, without knowing or caring about any of the actual facts. He merely did whatever the abovementioned users dictated to him, including the range-block. They have been asking since the end of May that my IPs be permanently blocked. On top of all this, those users have no right to mention the old, non-existent username RevAntonio...nor do they have entitlement to bring up my past.

Trusilver finally drew the line when he was ordered to permanently range-block my IPs. This seemed to put an end to any publicly posted collusion on Trusilver's part. Something more: I can CC you or direct you to the section on Trusilver's talk page, in which he stated to me that he was using a special double standard against me because he did not like me. If you go to his talk page, you will find it if you simply search the page for the term double standard. He has deleted certain posts I have left him in the past, in which I rightfully challenged his unfairness. He has encouraged the use of my now-non-existent username/user identity, and he has gossiped about me to other users. The other guilty users have been having a field day with my identity and old non-existent username since my unjustified IPs range-block.

Though it is fruitless, I have submitted my case to both arbitration and bureaucracy--they have both assured me they are forwarding my request for amelioration to the proper party. I have no idea who that party is, and that is why I'm posting THIS for all to see.

I have noted that the users in question somehow breeze through the system, undisciplined and out-of-control. In the past, they have accused others as they now accuse me, of being the author Peter Kurth, another individual whom they loathe. Kurth unfortunately has a bad and foolish history on the same talk page Anna Anderson; he did battle there because he wrote Anna Anderson's biography. I attest that I am not Peter Kurth nor any other user now active.

You will see now, also, that these users have found a way to sneak in posts without any kind of signature showing. This way, no one can see who has posted which information. I have no doubt they are vandalizing their own talk posts in their effort to terrorize editors they dislike.

Please, I am asking you in an act of self-protection, that you approach and warn these users about this hounding and cyber-terrorism. They know how to work this system, and I have no doubt they will set Wikipedia aflame once they see this post; I can assure you they are monitoring for yet another chance to persist in their wrongdoing.


Rev. Dr. Antonio Akiva Hernandez, O.M.D., Judaeobuddhist Order www.myspace.com/judaeobuddhist www.cryptojews.com/Antonio_Hernandez.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.195.94.220 (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ferrymansdaughter, good to see you in the fight at Anna Anderson. Too bad it all came to this. Hopefully though they permanently blocked that bastard Finnegan. Now if they could only lose that Nazi screw-head Nishkid64.76.195.94.174 (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OOPS! Wanted to ask your kind cooperation, could you please delete only the email address in my above post from so long ago? Seems moot now, but I don't want it floating around anymore anyway.76.195.94.174 (talk) 20:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Done. Ferrymansdaughter (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, it is very good of you. By the way, isn't it nice to have Finnegan gone? [You do not need to reply to this ;)]76.195.83.251 (talk) 15:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Anderson, have a ganderson

Hey, it's looking a lot like a proper Lutheran Christmas at Talk: Anna Anderson! It seems Kiernan is doing the job mostly, but it is good work! Will you be willing to give it the once-over? Might be fun!75.21.156.77 (talk) 07:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have followed the development, and I have also sent her a little message as to knowing very well who is making these comments. But she does not seem to be picking up these days. Now I am awaiting the new King and Wilson book, should be an interesting read.

ChatNoir24 (talk) 13:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya!! See my posts above that start with the 76 IP? That's me. Now it is another IP I have. Notice aggiebean, whom you call "Annie", is deliberately posting with IP only because it is so close to mine? And would you have a look at the accolade I left for you? KUDOS!!75.21.156.77 (talk) 02:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Sour Sauce Ever Cease

Hello...excellent comment about 'Annie' signing her name. She'll never do it, of course, because she's gone raving and is about to fall off her twig since her Australian boyfriend went back down under. Do not be deceived by her attempts to "fuzz" my posts and hers, the attempt to fuse them as it were...she's darting in and no signature, makes me look like an idiot arguing with myself. Only I do not wish to post anything further over there addressed to her. (But I did call her queen of the trouble-makers.)75.21.148.15 (talk) 22:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering, firstly, where did everyone go? Another fortnight sabbatical? Anyways, I was wondering when the final critique--of the sloppy-ass language and run-ons--will take place. A lot of good work went into that entry, but it is all over the place grammatically. In other words, as stinky as when aggiebean wrote nearly the whole thing in Hillbillese. Drop a line at the talk page...I've invited an admin who appears half sane to take a look at it.76.195.81.239 (talk) 01:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the admin abovementioned won't look at it because now Kiernan is keeping it "too controversial". You and Chat seem to have vanished. Everyone going to give this over to Kiernan then? He's gotten almost as bad as aggiebean, not allowing anyone to submit anything. What a shit-hole this place is.76.195.83.35 (talk) 04:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kiernanfest

As I've indicated to ChatNoir, have you noticed that Kiernan is the new aggiebean over there? And trying to hog the entire credit for righting that damned entry all by himself. If I may be so bold, I originally steered him in the direction he needed to go, but now he's kicked eveyone out of his private playpen-cum-sandbox. In fact if you have ANYTHING to actually add to the article, or change, the sandbox is the only place you'll see it. Everything has to be Kiernan-written, not just approved. I say we begin protesting this. He's done enough.76.195.81.239 (talk) 21:33, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tried to get out all that darned bold font...sorry about that. Also, I didn't remember to congratulate you on apparently scaring off aggiebean. If we can deal fairly with Kiernan, we'll be back in Baptist's heaven at that page.76.195.81.239 (talk) 02:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Say, I notice all's gone rather quiet at the Anna Project. I've told ChatNoir, it's a goddamned mess and a pity. It was nearly done and Kiernan wrecked it. As it is I see weird happenings coming down the pipe over there, what with all this silence. Kiernan's a busy little bee. Shame no one else is. The article once again officially SUCKS.76.195.83.35 (talk) 05:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]