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All meanings derive from Nikola Tesla, so the lemma should redirect there and not to this disambig. It's not ambiguous at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.50.39 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirection

This page should redirect to Nikola Tesla, the the disambiguation at Tesla (disambiguation) J. D. Redding

First, why is this so crucial? And second, if such a move is necessary, it should be done by actually moving the page, not switching content with copy/paste which breaks the page history. --Minderbinder 15:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in Talk:Tesla (disambiguation) ... by another user "query was directed to Nikola Tesla as all of the other links in this disambiguation are somehow derivitive of him". J. D. Redding 15:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That quote is incomplete. The full quote is: "I was wondering if there had been any discussion as to whether a search for tesla should come here (as it currently does) or whether it should go to Nikola Tesla. Personally I would prefer if the search query was directed to Nikola Tesla as all of the other links in this disambiguation are somehow derivitive of him." (emphasis added) This is one opinion of a user, not consensus, and there is no indication that the user actually made the proposed change. Natalie 15:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)It would be good to remeber Tesla with a new accelarator! Tesla should have his scientific "due"! The tesla uinit is good But the name TESLA still doesnt mean much to the general poipulation.THEEDSON1 (talk) 03:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It should be redirect.

It is perferable to redirect it to the Nikola Tesla.OK why not a mention of Global Enegry Indpendence Day/Tesla remeberance day Or the Tesla Society?

I would suppose that the user didn't make the change because of editors that would do what is happening now.

J. D. Redding 16:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC) [PS., made a note of discussion to reverse this ill begotten decision not to redirect to Nikola Tesla, at the talk page there.][reply]

Discussion there is a good way to handle it. And if there is consensus to redirect Tesla to Nikola Tesla, the disambig that is currently at Tesla needs to be moved (actually moved, using the Move functionality of this site, NOT copy/pasted to another page) first. --Minderbinder 17:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think if Tesla is going to redirect to any specific article it should be Tesla (unit) as that is a common noun whose full name is Tesla. Indeed, I believe it used to redirect there and I was surprised it doesn't still when I looked at that article. Maybe, per WP:DAB, if there isn't agreement on a target that is the overwhelmingly most common usage, that indicates that the disambiguation page is a good target. Having said that, if one redirects to a single target, one can include a link in the hatnote on that article to the other most common usage as well as the disambiguation page thereby ensuring the least number of clicks for the overwhelming majority of users.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 17:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your point is a good one. A significant disagreement about the target for a search term is a good indication that a disambiguation page is the best target, so maintaining the status quo for the time being seems like the best idea. Natalie (talk) 19:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inventor of Radio and electric motor????

Through us goverment patents there is evidence that Tesla invented the radio and the electric motor. Not just propaganda !!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnagr (talk • contribs) 17:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Serbian?

Tesla was born in Croatia, ethnically Serb. I don't think it is helpful to refer to his ethnicity or nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrecife (talk • contribs) 21:32, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

Tesla → Tesla (disambiguation) – It has been agreed in discussions that items in this page are named after Nikola Tesla, so the last name Tesla should link to Nikola Tesla's page. Previous discussions have not reached consensus, but there has been no activity in regards to new discussion for several years. Kreachure (talk) 16:05, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I actually came here expecting to support, but given that neither Edison or Curie redirect to the scientists, I think the status quo is fine. --BDD (talk) 17:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment The comparison is a bit unfair given that both "Edison" and "Curie" are names that refer to several people and items other than the scientists. There are many articles of people with those last names unrelated to Thomas Alva and Marie. Compare this with Einstein, a surname that, like Tesla, is uncommon, and doesn't appear in any other articles other than those named after the scientist. Kreachure (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Based on the popularity, Tesla should link to Nikola Tesla. Nikola Tesla is viewed seven times more than the next most viewed page, Tesla Motors.
90 Day page view stats
  • Nikola Tesla: 1,047,177 (11,635/day)
  • Tesla Motors: 145,260 (1614/day)
  • Tesla Roadster: 131,348 (1459/day)
  • Tesla (unit): 73,748 (819/day)
  • Tesla (band): 56,870 (632/day)
  • Tesla (Bleach): 45581 (506/day)
According to WP:DAB, specifically WP:PTOPIC:
  • A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
  • A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.
I would conclude that Nikola Tesla is the primary topic sought when a user searches for the term 'Tesla'. – MrX 22:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The page view stats are interesting but how many people access the Nikola Tesla page by typing just "Tesla" (rather than "Nikola Tesla" or by linking from another article)? I don't deny that Nikola Tesla is more viewed than all other Teslas but that doesn't mean it's the primary target for those searching for simply "Tesla". —  AjaxSmack  22:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I guess there's no way for us to know. I can only offer one more statistic: page views for this disambiguation page in the past 90 days: 72,394 (804/day).
If I understand the guidelines correctly, it seems that 'Nikola Tesla' would qualify as a primary topic based on long-term significance and usage (as measured by page views). – MrX 23:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"I guess there's no way for us to know" is a good argument for keeping this a disambiguation page. As far as long-term significance/educational value goes, tesla (unit) also fits that to a t. —  AjaxSmack  00:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The page views are probably somewhat inflated because of the Oatmeal fundraising efforts, but the article has had consistently high page views (~10,000/month) for quite a while. – MrX 18:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, all the items on the disambig page are either named in Nikola Tesla's honor or else vanishingly obscure. --Xiaphias (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per established Wikipedia guideline at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Nikola Tesla meets both separate requirements there to be primary topic (usage & long-term significance), and meeting only one of them would actually be enough to qualify. --Tom Hulse (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • But usage has not been established. The above stats merely show that "Nikola Tesla" is more viewed than "Tesla" which is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The stats do nothing to show where people searching for "Tesla" (only) actually intend to go. And tesla (unit) among others has long-term significance. —  AjaxSmack  02:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • As far as the unit, most non-scientist have never heard of the unit, and don't even know what magnetic flux is. Unlike Ohm, Volt, Watt, etc, that all measure things that laymen understand, the tesla does not. Laymen understand that Tesla is a scientist and a car, and maybe something else, and we write for the layman, not the scientist. Dondegroovily (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Establishing usage in the sense you imagine is an impossible and therefore irrelevant task. Tesla (unit) does have a little long-term significance looking forward into the future if you were to view it in a vacuum by itself, but it does not have any long-term significance relative to a topic that is 100 years older and is actually the subject it was named after. --Tom Hulse (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. A "tesla" is a unit of magnetic flux density, or at least this is the encyclopedic meaning, per Britannica and Columbia. Kauffner (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm just curious how that could be "shown" for any article, short of mind reading? I think Apteva did as good a job as possible above, by explaining how many of us coming here for the first time either didn't remember what his first name was or didn't remember how to spell it (true with me). Put that together with the massive imbalance in page hits and I think he has shown it as well as possible for any primary topic on Wikipedia. This is the textbook case that the guideline was created for. --Tom Hulse (talk) 05:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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