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This is the compilation of all tasks for participants to do for the past, present and future.

For an example on the direction of this page, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars/things to do and Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/things to do!

Thing(s) to remember:

  • If a task is completed, do NOT delete it, but strike it. This page will be archived if full.

Archives

None.

Requests

Article-related Tasks

Creation

Texts by Tolkien

I think there are articles for most of these, but some may still be missing. I've listed one that I couldn't find, but maybe I am looking in the wrong place? Carcharoth 11:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Books

The academic books seem OK. I'm not so sure about an article just about the Weapons and Warfare book. Seems like overkill to me. If you let that in, then a lot more has to come in as well. An article generally covering the "books for the film" might be acceptable - though probably better as a "film merchandising" section of one of the films articles. I'm less sure about the books parodies, as Bored of the Rings has an article already. Maybe something in that article redirecting to the "parodies" section here would be best, and adding details there. Carcharoth 21:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Journals

Artists

I changed a few things, but it is a good start. Short, but still informative. How about doing the same sort of thing for the other artists listed above? Carcharoth 16:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Topics

I'd suggest Magic (Middle-earth) is best, though this is an extremely difficult subject to cover... Carcharoth 20:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scholars

  • Verlyn Flieger
  • Michael D. C. Drout
  • Douglas A. Anderson
  • John D. Rateliff
  • Julian C. Bradfield
  • Helge Fauskanger
  • Lisa Star

Publishers

  • Rayner Unwin
  • Milton Waldman

Societies

  • The Tolkien Society

Adaptations

Expansion

  • Morwen
  • Old Man Willow - now has some comments on Willows in myth and folklore, some links to other relevant Wikipedia entries and some external links. Could use a picture - Hildebrandt? Abdullahazzam
Good job, and I formatted the article. Any information that is that particularly relevant to Tolkien's legendarium should be placed under a section called Trivia. Also, the 'see also' links should be kept to a minimum, as well as external links — since Wikipedia tries to maintain itself into not turning into a link directory. However, glad to have you in the effort, and I think it needs more expansion in its Biography, rather than in links and pictures. But if the Old Man Willow's biography/role in the books can be expanded a bit to the point in The Thain's Book without being "fancrufty", go ahead and add the picture. If you are using a movie picture, make sure to place it in the 'Potrayal of adaptations' section! :) —Mirlen 16:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am gathering all the info I can find about the beloved Samwise Gamgee and am going to make some major edits soon) Ted87 18:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC) [reply]
I will too, when ideas hit me :P. —Mirlen 04:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citing (Sources)

Extensive work

Articles that have following—fancruft, copyvios, copyedits, point of view, etc.—go under this section.

Is it a copyright violation? Ted87 18:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i think it took care of it,if i didnt change it.mrs.sauron 05:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i think i took care of it,if not change it.mrs.sauron 05:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added some info, changed a view things. If anybody could look whether is is good (especially the intro) Bryan 14:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am wondering whether he is worth a seperate article Bryan 14:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Enhancing

Articles that are generally good, but need few touches here and there to raise to Featured Article or Good Article status.

i'll get to work on these as soon as i can.man im glad i found wikiproject middle-earth!mrs.sauron 05:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

General work

Anything that doesn't go under above and below.

Did some major clean up. Still going to take some time to get it all done. Ted87 21:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

Current article Merge into Comments
Damrod, Mablung (Ranger) List of Middle-earth Men or Rangers of Ithilien Damrod and Mablung pages cannot be expanded more than they already are, and they are too minor of characters to have their own page. Or we could have redirect to the Rangers of Ithilien page. Comments? —Mirlen 15:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think they both should be merged and brief descriptions given on each. Why is Damrod merged but not Mablung? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ted87 (talk • contribs) .
There are two Mablungs. The Mablung article there is about Mablung the elf, not Mablung the Ranger. And, thanks for pointing that out Ted, I merged Damrod into List of Middle-earth Men, because I think that'd be best to place information on each character. —Mirlen 23:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bombur, Dáin I, Dáin II Ironfoot, Durin (all of their respective Durins), Glóin (both Glóins), Ori, Thorin III Stonehelm, Thráin II List of Middle-earth Dwarves The following characters are minor characters whose article cannot be expanded further in terms of content of information. I say we merge it into the List of Dwarves (Middle-earth). —Mirlen 00:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know... maybe they will fit under Kings of Durin's folk? Bryan 21:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, because the Kings of Durin's folk isn't a list. A list is a compilation of all minor characters (WP:FICT). --Mirlen 19:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
House of Fëanor, House of Fingolfin, House of Finarfin House of Finwë Each family article is not so much in full of content so therefore, they could be merged into one whole article. Besides, House of Finwë is the the more proper term. (And for the family tree template, we should use the one on Finwë's page and delete the {{Fëanor}}, {{Fingolfin}}, and {{Finarfin}} templates. —Mirlen 01:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm all for removing some of the redundant family trees and limiting their use to pages on the family (or founder) rather than all members. Kind of like the Tolkien estate article is the only one which includes the Tolkien family tree. --CBDunkerson 01:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then we should the same for the rest of family tree templates as well, which brings me to my next proposal... —Mirlen 01:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
House of Isildur, House of Telcontar House of Elendil (Or alternatively, we could have all of them merge into House of Elros Look above. Although, I am rather hesistant about the House of Telcontar, since Aragorn does announce that it should be ever called after the War of the Ring, 'House of Telcontar'... —Mirlen 01:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sons of Fëanor, Daughters of Finwë List of High Elves I think this is pretty self-explanatory. (Of course, there will be a whole lot merging with other articles of the High Elves for minor characters). —Mirlen 03:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting

Current article Split into Comments
Himring March of Maedhros Then merge Himring into March of Maedhros. March of Maedhros is a realm of Beleriand, while Himring is a city within March of Maedhros. Therefore, it should be Himring within the March of Maedhros article. Although, I think Himring is expanded enough to earn its own article, so perhaps March of Maedhros should be seperate from Himring. —Mirlen 01:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Conforming to Standards

  • Just thought I'd put out something I've noticed in browsing a few Tolkien articles, namely the use of personal pronouns in several of them. I suspect some of that may be copyright violations, but some may just be people writing in the style Tolkien occassionally use. Could be worth keeping an eye out for. I hope this is an appropriate place to put it up. Mister.Manticore 05:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Legolas - Rewrite of introduction of less POV preferred, using dates instead of chapter titles in Biography, switching to past tense, etc. —Mirlen 11:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes... This is a totally movie based introduction... Bryan 13:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note there is also some unnecceasry info in the adaption section. If no one gets around to editing this article soon, I'd be willing to. Ted87 19:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Intro done - Bryan 13:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good, but it does contain spoilers...that stuff goes in the Biography. For regular articles, you write an overview of the article, but for fictional articles, the introduction should be free of spoilers. —Mirlen 21:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creation

What do you think? —Mirlen 13:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pages already exist for some of this information. See List of Hobbits, List of Middle-earth Men, and Dwarves (Middle-earth). These could use a great deal of additional work. Standardization of the list article names and styles would probably also be a good thing. --CBDunkerson 22:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry, didn't know. Thanks. Okay...I'm going to put in a different format, and I'll see if you guys like it. —Mirlen 16:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments? —Mirlen 19:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding note in case anyone missed the discussion below: list already exists at Weapons of Middle-earth. Carcharoth 14:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

Current list Merge into Comments

Splitting

Current list Split into Comments
List of Middle-earth Men List of Gondorians, List of Rohirrim, List of Dúnedain, etc. The list of Middle-earth men is WAY too long. I've begun to format it and it'll take a long time for me to finish completing. So, to shorten the task and also for easier accessability, I say we split it. Anyone want to add their comments here? —Mirlen 13:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple articles is fine by me, but things we should keep in mind;
  1. The 'List of Men' article should be retained - with links to the various sub-categories and an 'Other' list of any Men whom we don't have a race/nationality/whatever list page for.
  2. Whatever categories we come up with should minimize any possibility of duplication and different versions on different pages. For instance Anarion, Denethor, and others could be listed in both 'Gondorians' and 'Dúnedain'. Even splitting by Arnor/Gondor/Numenor would have some duplicates as, for instance, Isildur could be listed in all three. Any duplicates which do occur should be directed to just one list, or the primary article on the subject if one exists.
  3. A single article allows related items to be linked with just [[#<name>]] rather than [[<article>#<name>]]. This prevents having to update the article names in each link if the target article is moved. Thus, we should try to split the groups to minimize cross-article links. --CBDunkerson 14:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So does this mean you're for it? As for #2, I think we should have characters like Denethor be listed in Dúnedain, rather than Gondorian—to get more specific. —Mirlen 01:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend a strictly geographical division rather than the suggested combination of geographical and ethnical divisions, even if many ethnical boundaries do follow strictly geographical boundaries as well. Geographical regions to consider would be (among others?) Eriador, Wilderland, Gondor, Dunland, Rohan and 'Sauron's dominions' (Umbar, Harad, Rhûn and other lands to the east and south). Some of these might be combined to reduce the number of lists (depending on the level detail wanted). Whether to place e.g. the ancestors of the Rohirrim (e.g. Éorl, Léod and Fram) in Rohan or Wilderland can be discussed, but a strictly geographical division will in any case lead to fewer ambiguities. --Troelsfo 09:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see two problems with geographic divisions; first, mass relocations such as the Numenoreans and Rohirrim (and Noldor if we try to extend this to Elves) would put them in two different categories and second, it would cause Aragorn, Barliman Butterbur, and Bill Ferny to wind up on the same page together. I like one big list with everyone because it can be linked to from smaller 'list of notable Numenoreans (or whatever)' in the individual articles and avoids these classification issues. However, it isn't that big a deal to me. Whatever works. --CBDunkerson 12:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, this discussion is getting big. Yeah, I don't think the geographic divisions will work. Wait, so, CBD, you're saying that we could create the cultural/subracial divisions to link to the big general list? Sort of confused there. But I don't think splitting into different subraces will be a problem, The Thain's Book had it done that way without problems, which you can see here. —Mirlen 00:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dwarf (Middle-earth) List of Dwarves (Middle-earth) For standardized purposes, and also, we can expand more on the Dwarves' biography/etc. if we have a list dedicated to the Dwarves like we have for the Hobbits and the Men. —Mirlen 21:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We already have a mini-list in the dwarf article. If we do it for the dwarves we migh as well do it fo the elves too. Ted87 06:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Any time a list of all individuals is going to be as long as the rest of the article (or longer) I think it makes sense to split it out. The dwarves will definitely meet that thresh-hold, but (for example) there are few enough Orcs, Ents, Trolls, et cetera that I think lists can be kept in the main article for the race. --CBDunkerson 21:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ted, I already proposed the creation of a List of Elves and splitting it into three sections on this page :). And yeah, per CBD, so I'm going to create a List of Dwarves with the standard we've decided. —Mirlen 22:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Misc.

Anything that doesn't go under above.

Stubs

Categories

What are you thinking of doing beyond adding the top-level 'Tolkien' category you mentioned previously? From what you'd said I had the impression that was intended as an 'ease of use' category which would have the current Category:J. R. R. Tolkien as a sub-category. You wrote something about a category tree on the talk page linked above. I think that could be useful, but I suspect the branches will change quite a bit going forward. --CBDunkerson 14:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've now added more comments to the talk page referenced above. As for the category tree, I've got stuck with getting the category tree into a suitable form to put on the talk page, I might stick it in my user space instead.
As for what I am thinking of doing, I am mainly considering putting categories in more categories, to create more branches on the tree. Most of the articles seem to be fairly well categorised already. I'll take a closer look, try a few category additions, and then come back here for feedback. I'll try to avoid creating lots of new categories or adding category tags to articles until it becomes clear what is needed. Carcharoth 15:05, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Realms of Aman - requested by someone, now created. Carcharoth 10:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for further organisation, Category:Aman towns and cities or just Category:Aman cities, or Category:Cities of Aman. Also, Category:Aman landforms, or Category:Landforms of Aman (e.g. Tirion, Alqualondë, Avallónë, Formenos, Valmar, etc.). I mean, I know every part of Aman is a landform, but a non-city/realm landform (e.g. Taniquetil, Bay of Eldamar, Helcaraxë, Ezellohar, Pelóri, Calacirya, Lorellin, Ungoliant's Lair, etc.). —Mirlen 21:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Though sometimes a list, or summary article, is better than a category, especially if the list is small and won't ever need to be updated, or the items in the category won't have their own articles. (You then have to include the list in the category, or link to it from the blurb at the top).
A category is best used for open-ended lists, or very long lists. Also, getting the naming conventions right ('Cities of Aman' (my preference) vs 'Aman cities') saves a lost of hassle with getting them renamed (you have to ask someone else to do it). Also, rather than the "landform" terminology, which doesn't quite work, just something simple like "Named places in Aman" is usually good enough, which then has subsets as needed. Carcharoth 07:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

There is already a Weapons of Middle-earth article, which seems to follow the template quite closely. Carcharoth 10:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, then it needs to be standardised. —Mirlen 21:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Gallery currently resides at WikiProject Middle-earth/Images.

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