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2012 Dnipropetrovsk explosions

Hi Prisonermonkeys, I write you concerning a removal on the page on the 2012 Dnipropetrovsk explosions, motivated because implying blasts were political demonstration in favour of Yulia Tymoshenko, and similar unsourced section that security forces had staged several other blasts elsewhere. I agree with you that some claims might not have been adequately sourced (e.g. concerning the Minsk Metro bombing responsible) but I cannot agree with the full deletion of the paragraphs of the background section recalling the Timoshenko case. I do not think that the text inserted implied blasts were political demonstration in favour of Tymoshenko, but if you feel so, I invite you to help by editing the text in a more NPOV way. I will reinsert the text, with edits, and I look forward for your help too. Bests,--Dans (talk) 10:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re:DTM season page

Unless you've already fixed the problem, it is appearing alright now on Opera. Don't know about the other browsers [if the principle still applies] are appearing like that, but that's how it is appearing at my end. Craig (talk) 11:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look on Firefox then! Craig (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Got it; just a problem with the rowspan levels. As long as it covers every row of the table, you only need it in the top row of the table, rather than at the top and the bottom. Craig (talk) 12:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

HIMYM

Regarding your diff, it may be because some bozos have been putting up plot details before the ep aired. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

F1 circuit maps

I agree that it's an issue, but I'm far from an expert when it comes to maps, or graphics of any kind. Sometimes I see people adding them, but I never recognise the editors as regular posters, like this chap [1]. Maybe try to tap up someone like that? Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:14, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Prisonermonkeys. User:Restu20 left a message on my talk page offering to make corrections to F1 circuit maps. DH85868993 (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Actually I don't create and edit F1 circuit maps, but i've found some references (like this and this) and I use it to indicate to other users how to edit circuit maps (when they are wrong) or how to create them (if the track image doesn't exist). For example you can see here what I've said.

Your idea seems to be nice, but for first I've thought that we must have a correct circuit map for every F1 track. Once we have all maps, we can decide to standardize all the circuit map to the same style. What do you think about this? Restu²⁰ 09:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Race abbreviations

Hi Prisonermonkeys. FYI, I have reverted the race abbreviations in 2012 Formula One season to the WP:F1 standard abbreviations, which are used in all the other season summaries, driver & team articles, etc. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 09:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review instructions

Hi. I posted a note for you at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#2012_Formula_One_season. It tells you the best process to follow to get a Peer Review started. --Noleander (talk) 13:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Gareth Roberts

In 2012 World Rally Championship season you said: "this doesn't need an explanation - we don't go into detail as to why drivers swap co-drivers mid-season every time they do it"

I wonder if you really are that cold guy that the death of G. Roberts means you just a co-driver swap to Craig Breen. It's not about Breen's co-driver change, it's about lost of a life.

That crash probably ended Breen's career. For example, if Loeb died, would you say it's just a driver swap to Elena and should not be mentioned?

I hope you don't remove the explanation why Roberts is not reading notes anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FinnishF1Fan (talk • contribs) 09:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Quote dumping

Alright thanks. If there is any way where you can help me improve the article, then just give me a heads up. Anyways, thanks again. Fanaction2031 (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I've fixed it. DH85868993 (talk) 01:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Please change dark knight rises as An 'American Superhero Film' From british American Superhero Movie Because The Worldswide Controller And Rights Holder Company Of dark knight rises IS 100% American-Warner Brothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.226.238 (talk) 07:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The nationality of the film was decided by consensus. It can't be changed without a new consensus being reached. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

learning about the origins of bane in the prison is the most important part of the film. without it the film has nothing to stand on. learning about the origins of bane and ras al ghul and the league of shadows and then finding out that it wasnt bane but it was talia that escaped is central to the movie. if its over the word limit then something else should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierreleone (talk • contribs) 14:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

the story about the mercenary and the warlord is the most important part of the movie. everything else is just 'person went from A to B'. the most important part of a story is the question 'why'. whether its a news story or a movie everybody wants to know why. for you to sit there and say the origins of bane talia and ras and league of shadows is not important is outrageous. carefully sit there and think about how the movie would have been if Nolan took that whole scene out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierreleone (talk • contribs) 10:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Collins

Please join discussion at Talk:Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics#Kim Collins - Where's the controversy?. I don't want an Edit war. HiLo48 (talk) 05:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Manufacturer drivers in WRC

Hi Prisonermonkeys,

You asked me to prove that the priority 1 is not the same as scoring for manufacturer. Here's an example from Monte Carlo rally this year: List of Manufacturer entries and the whole Entry List. There you can see most of the World Rally Car drivers have priority 1. Only van Merksteijn Sr., Maurin and Neuville have priority 2. And that's because they have no previous (good) results from WRC with a WRCar. I couldn't find anywhere what is the actual argument for which priority the driver has. I think Delecour got his P1 because he is a former winner in a WRC event.

Hopefully this made you understand the priority thing. FinnishF1Fan (talk) 10:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppets

God, you may have a point. It does all look a bit familiar, as you say. I'm for abandoning the race link discussion and leaving Eff Won to themselves - it's not going anywhere right now because nobody agrees with him/her. If he/she pops up again elsewhere, we'll have a closer look at it. If so, I'll inform Pyrope as well, he has good experience of it too. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's certainly the way she works - if she feels like she's being ignored in one argument, she'll start another by edit-warring. I particularly noted the "please try harder to please the readers" edit summary, which seemed a mighty familiar sentiment. It's that "I'm making so much sense and you're just being disruptive" argument... Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that... it's showing all the signs. Hopefully it's been knocked on the head for tonight. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had the same thoughts as you, although I do feel it's DeFacto again. I explained on Bretonbanquet's page. QueenCake (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever it is, please stop having your own little war with him/her. This is not helping matters at all, and the more you provoke, the more he will respond. I know it is annoying to have someone making mistakes, we've certainly had a lot of new people in the project the past week or two, but you need to keep a calm head and handle things in the appropriate manner. It is far easier to handle one person being out of line than it is two. The³5₉ (Talk) 07:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My response was not directed at this discussion, I just felt this was the best place to put it rather than to start another section. In my view some of your edits have been made with the assumption that it is indeed a sockpuppet, and although I agree the possibility exists, I think your edit warring is not helping the situation. Building a sockpuppetry case when someone is questionable is fine, but edit warring is not. The³5₉ (Talk) 08:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know you feel you're fixing things by reverting it, but I'm also sure you know that 3RR and cases on Edit Warring doesn't give a damn about who was right and who was wrong. If Eff Won wants to hang himself for forcing his edits without having consensus, then let him. Attempting to put the page back to the way it originally was can still make you appear just as guilty in the eyes of an administrator who will see two editors reverting each other over and over and having their argument in edit summaries rather than, or even concurrently, on discussion pages. I myself have had to suffer a 24 hour block for such overexuberance. As I said, leaving the page his way for a day wont kill anyone, so long as it avoids edit warring, escalation, and further troubles for people. The³5₉ (Talk) 08:48, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ground Zeroes

Please do not remove information that clearly pertains to the game. Readers should read what's currently available about the title, even if it's based off a demo. Over time we will replace such content, but this is now. We live in the present. --AnddoX (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have discovered what you are up to

No wonder you objected to me adding the useful links to the specific GPs in the calendar table in the 2012 season article! I see you have an irrational hatered of these links, evidenced by your actions on June 11, 2012 when you deleted similar links from both the 2010 and 2011 season articles long after those seasons had ended. I have restored the links in those articles and plan to add them to the 2012 article, they are invaluable in such long articles. Please refrain from deleting them all again as they will be useful to other readers, if not to yourself. Eff Won (talk) 20:17, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed. DH85868993 (talk) 12:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome d'Ambrosio

I'm according with your opinion, but there are 2 sections for it. In the section drivers you can put a driver before take part in a race. For this reason the page of 2013 season have the drivers with contract for this season before the kick off. In the section standings, you only can put the drivers who have raced in the season, in this case in the 2013 season this section doesn't exists. Phósphoros (talk) 15:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Eff Won

Thanks for the message. It will all come out in the wash. Remember that ANI is always available should fast action be needed. Mjroots (talk) 05:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how long SPIs take. An alternative is to propose at WP:AN for a formal ban on Lucy-Marie. Makes dealing with socks much easier and they can be reverted on sight without fear of breaking 3RR. Mjroots (talk) 09:06, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but remember that option is available should it become necessary. Mjroots (talk) 09:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In a word, no. The requirement is notification. Should a user be blocked, then the normal practice is to allow them to reply via their talk page and said reply may be copied over to AN/ANI as appropriate. Mjroots (talk) 09:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please restrain yourself

I have commented on your latest, and frankly unacceptable, edit at Talk:2012 Formula One season. Eff Won (talk) 06:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Re:Adele and James Bond

No worries about the removal. Guess I should have checked a little more carefully, but this from Time Magazine appears to cinfirm it. AP also carries a story that bookies have paid out on bets even though she is yet to be confirmed officially, which is kind of a bit WP:CRYSTALLY, I guess. I won't change it again just yet, because I'd like to see one or two more quality sources confirm it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 09:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MotoGP and CRT

Hi. I see that have brought back the 'MotoGP entries' header onto the 2012 and 2013 seasons pages. This is unnecessary because MotoGP and CRT are not two different things. CRT is a part of MotoGP therefore splitting them off into two different sections makes no sense. CRT is a sub-category within MotoGP as opposed to being distinct entities like LMP1 and LMP2 in sports car racing. It is nice that CRT is below MotoGP in the table but the 'MotoGP entries' tag should not be as used as to suggest only refering to the non-CRT entry bikes - it creates an element of ambiguity when reading the article. And the whole section is listed under MotoGP, just as there are sections on the page for Moto2 and Moto3, so if anything having the 'MotoGP entries' heading simply serves as repetition and redundant information. I hope you can understand my thoughts on this subject. Officially Mr X (talk) 09:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weehauken

I originally listed the Port Imperial Circuit as Weehawken simply because that is the city most commonly attributed with the circuit, at least from what I've seen. Whether or not specific parts are in Weehauken is a bit moot, as the Circuit of the Americas is not technically in Austin, nor is Silverstone technically in Silverstone (it is in fact in the grounds of Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire). The hyphen seems to complicate things, hence why I listed it as Weehawken only. The³5₉ (Talk) 21:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Karthikeyn/de la Rosa

Don't worry about it, I was just curious as to why so many IP edits were making the same revision, because I was sure the incident had happened after Karthikeyan had drove off the track but yeah, I had a look and turns out we were all wrong. I've never really been a fan of autosport, mainly because you're paying for something you can get anywhere else, mostly of course. BosleyTree (talk) 07:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Circuit maps

Reply here. AlexJ (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I guess, also everyone who did respond over at WT:MOTOR seemed to support the idea, so I'll try and get consistent maps done for the circuits featured in this years F1 calendar and introduce them to the articles. AlexJ (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Triple Eight

It's Triple Eight Race Engineering (Australia). Do you think you can remember that? Cheers --Falcadore (talk) 06:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Force of habit. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:V8 Supercar venues 2013 ‎

Hi Prisonermonkeys. I'm confused by your edit summaries on {{V8 Supercar venues 2013}}. In what way is "the old template" (by which I presume you mean {{V8 Supercar circuits}}?) broken/almost impossible to edit? It seems fine to me. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 06:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After moving a navbox template, you need to update the "name" parameter to match the template's new name. I've done this for {{V8 Supercar circuits}}, so it should be "unbroken" now. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 08:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Event clash

You working on Bathurst or Japanese Grand Prix ATM? --Falcadore (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Proper use of possessives

I've noticed you previously reverted my changes in 2012 Formula One season article. All the possessives I changed, actually conformed to the standard English grammar rules for singular possessives ending in -s. Wikipedia adopts standard form on which majority of manuals of style agree, i.e. -s's, so please make sure to review MOS:POSS before changing it again. cherkash (talk) 23:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a copy of our discussion on the article's talk page, please continue discussion there if you want to pursue it further. cherkash (talk) 01:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't just "undo" others' revisions, since in this case there were multiple fixes to the article – only with some of which you disagreed. Better, you can change back few words you specifically think are questionable, while we keep discussing them on the Talk page. The rest should stay. cherkash (talk) 02:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reword rather than revert is a useful guideline according to Wikipedia:Reverting#When_to_revert. You obviously prefer reverting en masse, even in cases where there are multiple edits and improvements within a single article change, only with some of which you disagree. This is not helpful, and so I suggest you revert only the use of possessives in this case (if you really insist), and do it through an edit and not through an undo. cherkash (talk) 02:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, you (not me) are currently in violation of 3RR rule. I've done only 2 undo's while you've done 3. I strongly suggest you undo your latest undo (it won't count against you according to Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule#The_three-revert_rule), and edit the article instead – but only with respect to the possessives use, while keeping my other changes intact. If you really care to review my changes, you'll see there were specific fixes to the citation tags which improve the article (essentially fix previous errors). cherkash (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cherkash has been given a 3RR warning and told to discuss on the talk page. Banhammer ready. Mjroots (talk) 07:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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2013 V8 calendar

To be fair, TollHRT actually started a seperate Auckland 400 article. I change it to a redirect. Technically I should get the Auckland 400 redirect deleted and move the V8 International article. --Falcadore (talk) 04:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure we'll get very far. Impression I get is that he is quite young, no older than 16. He doesn't understand the importance of referencing or doesn't care. He originally got in to Wikipedia to write about a rural-centre tennis club. --Falcadore (talk) 05:58, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tried quite a bit when he started but an taken a bit more hands off at the moment to see if he develops at all. --Falcadore (talk) 06:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GP flags

I see you removed them from the 2012 season article – when I saw them, my first reaction was to do the same thing because I thought we agreed to get rid. But then I looked at the 2011 article and they're there as well. What did we decide to do after all? I'd like to remove them from the 2011 article too really, plus anywhere else they've crept in. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks, I've asked him. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WRC 2013

Hi, I don't really know what's going on with this page at the moment. There are a lot of incorrect entries in the drivers table and whenever the right information gets put in, it gets removed. Here is a list of the errors:

1. Sebastian Loeb is to remain part of the Citroen works team next year despite only competing in select events. 2. There should be an extra line for Citroen as there will be a fourth works driver (if you include Al-Qassimi) nominated for manufacturers points on the events Loeb is absent. 3. The Citroen team name for next season has been confirmed as Citroen Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team. 4. Andreas Mikkelsen has not been confirmed at VW for next season. 5. M-Sport have not confirmed any drivers for 2013 so far.

Hopefully you will allow me make these changes, which I can fully reference, and not allow speculative stories such as the Tanak one currently on the page. I'm not sure who is responsible for removing the correct stories but it is bad for Wikipedia to have faulse information displayed on it's pages. I can assure you I am correct on the above matters as I have to keep up to date with the WRC as part of my job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grant1990 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1. You have no source to support that.

2. You have no source to support that.

3. You have no source to support that.

4. The source in the article supports the content of the article.

5. The source in the article supports the content of the article.

I don't really care if it is part of your job to keep up to date with the WRC. Until you get reliable third-party sources to support your claims, the content in the article will stay as it is. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:33, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down chap no need to get on the offensive! I have previously supplied reliable third-party sources however they have been removed, I'm assuming by you. I'm not looking for a fight I just want Wikipedia's pages to be accurate otherwise what is the point it having it? Here are the sources backing up my points:

1. "with the UAE’s Sheikh Khalid Al-Qassimi joining Finland’s Mikko Hirvonen and Frenchman Sébastien Loeb in the driver line-up" shows Loeb will remain part of the Citroen works team for 2013. Also this is a more recent story than that currently on the page - please update.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-206539.html http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20121005138578

2. "The new three-car Citroen Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team will make its debut in the 2013..." speaks for itself - please update.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-206539.html http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20121005138578

3. "The other crew who will replace Loeb and Elena for the rest of the season will be announced by Citroen in due course" again shows Loeb will be part of the Citroen works team in 2013. Also shows there will be a fourth works Citroen driver alongside Hirvonen, Al-Qassimi & Loeb - please update.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-206539.html http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20121005138578

4. "Capito has suggested that a third could be entered for Andreas Mikkelsen" the words in bold prove Mikkelsen is not confirmed for next season. Also this is a more reliable third-party source reporting on an interview with the VW Motorsport boss and is a more recent story than that currently on the page - please update. http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/capito-dont-expect-too-much-too-soon/?fid=17803

5. "Of the potential candidates, current semi-works M-Sport drivers Evgeny Novikov and Ott Tanak..." the words in bold prove Tanak is not confirmed for next season. Also this is a more reliable third-party source reporting on an interview with the M-Sport boss and is a more recent story than the on currently on the page - please update.

http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/wilson-you-can-win-with-kids/?fid=17775

I hope you agree these sources back up my claims. I am happy to apply the changes to save you time however I will wait to hear back from you first.

Currency conversion template

Hi, I can't find anything – the Skyfall article just has the Turkish currency converted manually into dollars. I can only imagine that such a template would need to be constantly updated with the exchange rates and it might be really time-consuming to do. The currency templates I can find, like Template:Currency, make no mention of such a tool, though there's talk of one at Template:Inflation. Seems like it would be damned handy though. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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