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Sorry !!

OK !! I thought it was a tea house !! then OK !! I WANNA KNOW HOW TO upload a picture ! :D Jalal1994 (talk) 23:56, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back and sorry for your misperception. The easiest way to upload a picture is over at [commons.wikimedia.org Wikimedia Commons]. There's directions over there as to how to do so. Go Phightins! 00:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

How can I be famous ?

I Love to sing, to dance, but I'm kind of shy, I can't show the world but as well I want to be famous, I live in morocco the invisible country of the world, ... so please somebody tell me what to do ... Jalal1994 (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jalal1994! While I have no doubt you have lots of talent, Wikipedia is not a social network. If you'd like to learn about editing Wikipedia, we can help you with that here, or you can be adopted through Wikipedia's adopt-a-user program. Thanks. Go Phightins! 23:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jalal. We can't help you become famous - as the boy in the film said, this is where they make you read, not where they make you real. But, maybe the problem is just that your country is sometimes a bit shy too? The articles Culture of Morocco and Moroccan cuisine are both marked as needing more citations to independent sources, as well as other problems, and Music of Morocco looks like it could do with some work and expansion too. Perhaps start slowly by reading WP:REFB and then trying to add some sourced information mentioned in newspapers or magazines to those articles?

If you're asking when your country will be different to how it is now, then it is worth mentioning that the Arab Spring has changed some North African Muslim countries quite radically, and that some influence of that change may reach Morocco. Whether that is a good thing or not, I do not know.

Do be careful with your web browser history, and with discussing radical ideas with other people or within the hearing of other people, as you explore these ideas. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

process of posting

Hi I just posted a page but am new at this and wondering once I save a page how does it get included in Wiki? ThanksGPG123 (talk) 22:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi GPG123 and welcome to both Wikipedia and the Teahouse! Thanks for stopping by. As soon as you post your article, it becomes an accessible part of Wikipedia for the whole world to see. You may either post it yourself, or send it to Articles for creation, where a reviewer will check it prior to moving it to mainspace. Though fair warning, there's a significant backlog over there...it may take a few weeks before your article is reviewed. If you'd like, you can post a draft of your article in your sandbox and post a link to it here, and I'll take a quick look. Or, if you'd rather, you can just post it. Happy editing, Go Phightins! 22:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Protected/Semi-protected pages

Hey guys. I keep seeing people talking about protecting or semi-protecting their talk pages (or other pages). I have no interest or perceived need to do so on my page or any I work on, but I am curious as to what it entails. What's being protected, how does it happen, etc? RunnerOnIce (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

RunnerOnIce, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is built on the principle that anyone can edit, however on occasion it can be necessary to prevent some or most editors from editing certain pages. The normal reason is to protect pages, especially high profile ones, from vandalism or edit warring. Pages can be semi-protected so that only editors with registered accounts can edit or fully-protected in which case only administrators can edit the page. Protection can be temporary or permanent. Because of the 'anyone can edit' princple page protection isn't granted lightly and should you ever need to request it you need to make the application at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Hope this helps. NtheP (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, ok, that makes sense. Thank you so much! RunnerOnIce (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion of paywalled copyrighted newspaper article text on talk page to assist article development

Hi - this one's come full circle and is back at the Teahouse for a related question! Is anyone with copyright expertise please able to comment on the above, with specific reference to Talk:Rainbow Family#Paywalled "Rainbows earn praise for cleanup" article in The Salt Lake Tribune, dated August 1, 2003. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 21:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

It does not in the least matter whether it was paywalled or not, as long as it was not under a free license (which essentially no ordinary newspaper is). What was posted was an entire article, and there is no conceivable way that this is permissible. Brief quotations are another matter, and come under fair use. it is also possible for someone with legitimate access to the text to mail it to another editor off wiki--indeed, most newspapers have facilities for it, & even if they don't, it's probably acceptable use & is at any rate no concern of ours. (I note that it is technically impossible to add attachments to WP email.) But that text on the p. must be immediately removed. DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I have added a comment to the talk page and removed the material. It can be restored later if the copyright permission issue can be clarified, but it is best to err on the side of caution in cases like this and remove such material on sight. Road Wizard (talk) 00:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hello Teahousers,

How do I add userboxes to my user page? Kuba.greenland (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Kuba, welcome to The Teahouse. You can find userboxen of all sorts here. Next to all of the listings there are code for each userbox, which you can simply copy and paste onto your userpage. There are lots of ways to organize userboxen, so let us know if there's a particular way you'd like to arrange them. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 19:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

why are people battling about interracial mixing when china and africa and india are something

Summary is the question in this case and not a court case like you are supposedly wanting.174.58.141.227 (talk) 16:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi....this is a forum for asking questions about editing on Wikipedia! Gtwfan52 (talk) 16:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

uploading a photo to an existing article?

Im new here..but I have a photo of a train wreck from the 1913 tyrone,pa train station crash.It's not copyrighted and free to upload to help the article.Im not the writer of the article, is that the reason i can't seem to find a way to upload the image?4barners (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, 4barners! The reason is that you are a new user, not that you are not the author of the article. Wikipedia is a collective project and anyone is welcome to edit any article. However, you must be a confirmed user to upload images. Once you have completed 10 edits, you will be able to upload an image. You question here was your first. If you reply that will be your second and you are well on the way. If you need any help, please come back! Gtwfan52 (talk) 17:01, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello 4barners, great to hear you have access to a useful photo, and one free of copyright too. If I may suggest, the best place to put non-copyright photos is at our sister-project, WikiCommons. WikiCommons images can be coded into Wikipedia articles just as though they were uploaded to en.wiki anyway, but are much more accessible and better-filed at Commons than they would be on Wikipedia proper. The main reason to upload directly to Wikipedia, vice Commons, is when you have a non-Free image such as a logo which can only be used in very limited ways in articles. The Commons has a decently intuitive Upload tool, but if you get stuck, definitely come back here and ask for advice. Thanks for sharing your images! MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

retrieval of deleted editing

Can I get my deleted editing back, so I can put it in the talk page, where it belongs? Koechlyruestow (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Koechlyruestow, welcome to the Teahouse. Click "Contributions" at the top of any page to see your edits, or use the page history. Click the "diff" link to see the content of the edit. Edits to deleted pages are only visible to administrators but you have no such edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No no no, I am not looking for my edits on deleted pages, I am looking for my deleted edits on still existing pages, in this case, on the falcata. Most I could find on the history tab, but not all of it.(Koechlyruestow (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC))

Help, I cannot even add my response!Koechlyruestow (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC) moved to correct section Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The page history [1] shows 10 edits by you. If an edit is not shown there then it was not saved. Click the "edit" link to the right of the section heading and not the below section heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

How to add "help to improve this article" on my article?

heres my article links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badhan_%28A_voluntary_blood_donors%27_organization%29 Nahid (talk) 14:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Nahid, welcome to the Teahouse. Many different messages can be placed on articles to ask for help. I don't know one saying exactly "help to improve this article". Can you give an example of an article with the message you want? If you mean "Help improve this page" as at the bottom of for example Google then it's part of a test for a limited number of mostly random articles. Badhan (A voluntary blood donors' organization) does not seem suitable for this. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

WP has many subject-rlated projects for people interested in a subject area to cooperate. In this case, the closest one is WP:WikiProject India and the place to make a request for help is their noticeboard, Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I have completed my first article successfully but have lost links to the chat room

When I was working on my first article I had an APC page which had links to the Wiki Chat room now my article has been placed in wiki I no longer have these links can someone post them for me please?FOSWMT (talk) 09:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi FOSWMT and welcome to the Teahouse. The only thing I can think of that would be linked from the AFC draft and that might be called a chat room would be the AFC Help desk. Is that what you want? Your post there is at this. —teb728 t c 10:05, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No thats not the same

Its on the submission page that you get when you first submit your article that appears at the bottom of the article whilst its awaiting review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FOSWMT (talk • contribs) 11:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! Might you talking about {{AfC submission}} (give it a click and check)? —Theopolisme 12:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Um thats the problem i dont have the AFC submission page any more

User_Talk:FOSWMT 12:28, 27 November 2012 (GBT)

I think the link that's being sought might be the live help chat. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:27, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

That's the link on {{AfC submission}} on the text "Click here to get assistance via live help chat". Theo asked you to give it a click and check. Are you sure {{AfC submission}} doesn't have the link you want? I don't know what else you could be referring to. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Let me answer you directly. Your question is presumably about the article, Speckled Wood, Hastings. You say on your user page that you are associated with the subject. There is apparently a dispute with another editor also associated with the subject, User:Ore CLT about various matters, including the exact status of the reserve. I've posted some comments on your user talk page. The place to discuss the article though is on the article talk page. Any excellent and experienced user, User:Anna Frodesiak has been working with you already, and you can rely on her advice. Since both of you have a WP:Conflict of Interest, it is necessary that you not keep reversing each other on the article, but discuss it on the talk pager first. I'll notify her about this so she can help you further. I will also be available, but you will find she understands the situation very well. DGG ( talk ) 00:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Frost

How is frost made108.172.79.37 (talk) 05:45, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! The Teahouse is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. You should ask your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. They should be able to help you. Cheers,--xanchester (t) 05:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Refs in lede

Should references be used in the lead section of articles? (In context with BLPs.) Thanks. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 05:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse! It depends. If it's trivial information and redundant with citations already in the body, it may not be needed. Like stating that Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States. But if it's controversial material that's likely to be contested, or a direct quote, a citation is needed, especially if it's a BLP. What's the name of the BLP article and what's being cited?--xanchester (t) 05:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

There's not page in particular. I was wondering about the date of birth, to be specific, actually. If it's not "controversial", do you need to cite that? Thanks Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 05:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Date of birth should be cited somewhere. Dates of birth can be controversial, and its the kind of data that needs a citation, if not in the lead section than in the body somewhere. If there is no citation, it shouldn't be in the article. --Jayron32 05:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Seconding what Jayron32 has said. Also, the date of birth usually isn't included in the lead. The lead should be an overview of the article, details like the person's date of birth are better suited for the article's body and infobox. Cheers,--xanchester (t) 05:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I'm going to disagree with that. DOB is often included in the lead, pulling 3 random bios, it's there in George Washington, Eric Clapton, and Linus Pauling. The DOB doesn't always have a footnoted cite in the lead, but it DOES (or should) have a footnoted cite somewhere in the article, usually in the "early life" section of the biography. --Jayron32 06:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I generally put in the lede right after the name, in parentheses. It is generally also repeated in the infobox. It's usual to add the cite for it there also. DGG ( talk ) 00:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

My mistake, I completely forgot about the dates in parentheses indicating the date of birth and death included in most articles.--xanchester (t) 03:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Pic change

I am brand new - asked to make changes to a wiki page and need to know how to change the main page pic. Help! Liloltiny1 (talk) 03:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse. If you're referring to the main page picture, to discuss errors and changes to the main page, visit Talk:Main Page. To change pictures on regular pages, you'll have to replace the picture with a file that has already been uploaded. For example, to change File:Exampleimage1.jpg with File:Exampleimage2.jpg, you'll have to change [[File:Exampleimage1.jpg]] to [[File:Exampleimage2.jpg]]. You can also upload you're own image through Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, but the image must meet Wikipedia's policies on images. Free images should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons.--xanchester (t) 03:40, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Take a look

Hi Teahousers..please take a look at an article I have re-worked after it was kicked back from AFC for lack of references and 3rd party notability. I apppreciate your candor and comments. Article is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Video_Quality_in_Public_Safety_Working_Group Thanks, Mejbp (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Strictly from a reference standpoint, it looks reasonably improved from the last time this article was submitted. I haven't yet gotten a chance to look at the remainder of the article, perhaps another host will get to that before me, but you've definitely put some work into it, and for that you should be commended. Go Phightins! 00:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Go Phightins! Any and all feedback is much appreciated. Mejbp (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Reverting

What are the steps to revert an edit? (Monkelese (talk) 21:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Monkelese. Assuming it's the most recent edit to the article, go to the "View History" tab in the top right of the page. You'll see a list of all the edits; after each line is a link marked "Undo". Clicking that link on the top edit will open an edit form with the last edit removed; all you need to do is enter an edit summary (such as, "removed unsourced claim" or similar) and save the page. Hope that helps. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

referencing

how do you repeat a reference (the same reference number) at two separate location withing the same article? Qwertyasdf99 (talk) 20:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, this is already answered below. I'll try it. thanks

20:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyasdf99 (talk • contribs) Taino19xx (talk) 00:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

How do you edit a dablink|List entry?

I found a page where the link does not take you to the correct page section. The URL it is pointing to is incomplete. When I go to edit the entry I see it is not a full URL , but the following:

List: List of Intel Xeon microprocessors#"Sandy Bridge-EP" (32 nm)

I presume it is resolving the URL from a database entry.

Taino19xx (talk) 01:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, links to internal wiki pages are done through wikilink rather than complete URLs. Linking to a section is done through the code [[pagename#sectionname]] In this case, the link doesn't take you to the appropriate section because the section name is not complete and no section exists by the name "Sandy Bridge-EP" (32 nm) [[List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Sandy_Bridge.22_.2832_nm.29]] will take you to the section "Sandy Bridge" (32 nm) and [[List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Sandy_Bridge-EP.22_.2832_nm.29_Efficient_Performance]] will take you to the section "Sandy Bridge-EP" (32 nm) Efficient Performance. --Anbu121 (talk me) 07:33, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I see now. Thanks for the quick response.

Taino19xx (talk) 00:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Need Help Trimming the Fat - Conflicting Comments and Other Jazz

Hey Teahousers,

Been working on this The Art of War bit on and off and I've gotten assorted feedback from multiple sources that I've tried to satisfy, however I also have conflicting comments that I'm not quite sure how to address. Some say mention of reviews are ok while others have mentioned the section should be removed entirely. I'm just looking for some more feedback before I resubmit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kingofbreaker/sandbox

Thanks again Kingofbreaker (talk) 00:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there Kingofbreakers, and welcome back. I'm not an expert on notability, but I think the 'Reception' section should be retained, but tweaked a bit. First off, the second and thirds sentences need citations: for example, if someone compared the comic to the works of Philip K. Dick, that's a major factual claim, and the source should be cited. You don't need the sentence "Reviews have been mostly positive", either. If the reviews are positive, that should be reflected in the substance of the reviews themselves, or in the facts/quotes you pull from them. Lastly, I would remove the Comic Book Resources quote, since it's not descriptive at all. Quotes, when used, should help flesh out the content of the article, not just say whether the subject matter is a good read or not. Good work though, and good luck! - J-Mo ^{Talk to Me} _{Email Me} 06:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey J-Mo thanks a ton for the feedback. This stuff makes a lot of sense! I think I understand what I can do to tweak this bad boy. Thanks again.Kingofbreaker (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

why teahouse Web page is too long!?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.115.213.115 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse. It's a little difficult to know what part of The Teahouse you're referring to in your question up top. You can clarify if you want. If you're referring to this Q&A page, one reason it is kept a bit on the long side is because we want to keep questions visible on here for little while before they get archived and are harder for new users to find if they come back here looking for an answer. We do get a lot of questions, so they don't stay on this page for too long, hence the need to keep a good number of questions on here at a time. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 20:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I recieved an rror message while trying to create an article

Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{Reflist}} template or a <references /> tag; I need some instruction on how to use a reflist template withe the <ref> tags. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shomburg (talk • contribs) 20:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I added some nowiki tags to the preceding question to get it to display correctly. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Shomburg, and welcome! What the error is saying that your references are cited using <ref> </ref> tags, but there isn't anywhere for the references to show up, because the ref tags are in a kind of code limbo, if you want to call it that. Basically, all you need to do is go to the bottom of the article, and make a new level 2 heading (==Heading==) , and under the heading place {{reflist}}. You can copy paste the template by the way :) . That way, the references that you cited with <ref> </ref> tags will show up. Does that help? If you want to post a link to the article here, I'd be happy to take a look at it for you. If you need any more help, don't hesitate to reply here, or on my talk page. Hope this helps! gwickwire | Leave a message 22:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

See this change to your sandbox article. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, shomburg! I took a look at your article too. One thing I wanted to point out to you is a small problem with references. It may seem kinda counter-intuitive but you cannot use Wikipedia as a reference. Those references will need to be removed. But you can turn some of the things you were referencing with Wikipedia into what are called "wiki links". You do this by enclosing the exact title of the wiki article in two brackets at each end. So to make Loud Records a wiki link you would type [[Loud Records]]. This will make it appear blue and be a hyperlink to that article thus: Loud Records. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 01:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Citations

I am editing an article and I'm not sure about the citations. If I use one of my references in more than one area of the text, do I cite it each time or only once? Moocow6and1 (talk) 19:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Moocow6and1. Welcome to the tea house. There should be an inline citation at the end of each section of text to which that reference applies. That might be one sentence or a whole paragraph. You do not need to repeat the whole reference each time. A short version can be made by giving the reference a name as explained below (edit clash). The short version will look like <ref name=(whatever the ref name is)/> Note the added slash at the end.--Charles (talk) 19:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Moocow! The best way to cite a reference in multiple places is to include a name in the "<ref name=>" parameter of the cite template and then to simply type "<ref name=(whatever the ref name is)></ref>" where ever you want to cite the reference. Thanks and feel free to drop by should you have further questions. Go Phightins! 19:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I really do appreciate it. Moocow6and1 (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Also worth pointing out that citations should go after the punctuation mark.--Charles (talk) 22:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

One more thing: User:Go Phightins made an error. Let's say your reference is named "whatever". The first time you use it, it should be formatted <ref name="whatever">Reference</ref>. All other times it should appear as <ref name="whatever"/>.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

New page heading

Hi, My name is lakelady2282 and I created a page today with the incorrect spelling of a person's name. In my Ostrovo Unit page I listed Mary de Garis as one of the Australian Doctors who worked there. To create her new page I clicked on the red entry in Ostrovo Unit and created her page but unfortunately the spelling was wrong. It should be Mary De Garis. I can't seem to change the actual top title. Can someone please help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_de_Garis ThanksLakelady2282 (talk) 09:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I have change it. To do this at the top of the page next to the star is a drop down arrow with the option Move. This will rename a page. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Editors who refuse to accept correct info

I recently edited an article on the ruba'i, stating that in Persian verse the ruba'i was written as a couplet with each line divide into hemistiches and rhymes falling on the middle and end of each line. This I supported with the following:

"The ruba'i, pronounced rubā'ī, plural rubā'īyāt, is a two-lined stanza of Persian poetry each line of which divided into two hemistiches making four altogether, hence the name ruba'i, an Arabic word meaning 'foursome' (That was from Peter Avery's Introduction to The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, translated by Peter Avery and John-Heath Stubbs, Penguin Classics, 1981, p.9.)"[2]

"Leaving legend aside, it is sufficient to note that from an early date the term rubā'i began to be used for a poem having two main characteristics:

(1)two verses (bait) or four hemistiches (mișrā'), with a rhyme scheme aaaa or aaba; (2)the metre known in Arabic terminology as hazaj ...."[3]

That was from the article "The Rubā'ī in Early Persian Literature" (written by L. P. Elwell-Sutton in The Cambridge History of Iran, v. 4, edited by R. N. Frye, Cambridge University Press, 1999, p.634.) When the editor (who calls himself Justice007) asked for proof I gave him the above and here's what he said:

"It seems to me a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and I am not a person who casts pearls before swine. You read only the books but I have experience of both reading and writing classical and very technical rubaiyaat. I do not need your certificate, mind your own business and happy editing as the wiki rules." This is coming from someone who is a journalist and only has a masters degree (whereas my sources were from some of the most eminent scholars in the field.)

to top that off, he even brought friends in to support his incorrect claims, for instance a friend of his (referring to himself as Drmies said "tweak. writer, justice has the more correct reading.") But it's plainly obvious that he doesn't (if one reads my sources.) I've sought every possible way to address this but Wikipedia has failed to lift a finger. I'm at the point of giving up on Wikipedia: if "knowledge by consensus" means that even well-sourced, reliable, information can be tossed out because of the editor's subjective views on the subject (which he insists are correct when they clearly aren't), I'm not sure that I want any part in such a fraud. Please advise. Writer83175 (talk) 03:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Writer, and welcome to the Teahouse! We're glad to have you! First of all, is this the same issue that is at Dispute Resolution right now? If it is, I can assure you that there are great people that work there to help resolve conflicts. I volunteer there myself when I can, and it's a great process that proves to have results. It looks like a volunteer hasn't gotten around to researching and opening your case there, but once that case is open I'm sure it'll be resolved. You did the right thing by requesting for a calm resolution to the dispute, as some people would have just become heated and given up. If you'd like to post your sources here for us to look at, I wouldn't mind giving them a quick look over, or if there's anything else you need help with, we're always here to help! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Opening paragraph question

How should an opening paragraph be handled for an article about two people when one of the two is living and the other is deceased? I have a specific article in mind about a married couple. I'm wondering if there are guidelines already in place for this situation before I make an edit (or post on the talk page). I couldn't find anything in the help section. Any advice would be appreciated. Kristephanie (talk) 02:25, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kristephanie and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe the guideline you're looking for is WP:LEAD; what article are you talking about? Perhaps I can provide some specific guidance. Go Phightins! 02:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. The article I'm thinking about is for Jerald and Sandra Tanner. Currently Jerald is the sole subject of the opening sentence and I wanted to edit it so that both of them would be the subject as they are both named in the article title, but he isn't living and she is... What would you do? Leave it? Or is there a standard way to handle this situation? Kristephanie (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Whoever the genius was who wrote to you that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" ought to get the citation right. It's, "A little learning is a dangerous thing." Vagevuur777 (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Can't get my article submitted

Hi,

I have created an article on "Budhal Faqir". I can't seem to get it published. I have put the reference related to the information. Still it is bouncing back....asking me Edit in "Articles of Creating". Help me out plz119.154.197.94 (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Above is self-identifying as account User:Tariqhl (talk).

Hello IP, editors who are not registered can still make articles, but their articles have to go through WP:Articles for creation. AFC means that volunteer editors will review your article, suggest changes, and if it meets standards approve and publish it. If you sign up for a Wikipedia account (totally free and takes less than five minutes), you can make an article without using AFC; however AFC is still a good option to use, since many brand-new editors don't get their first articles right, get them deleted, and have to start over. Rather than trying to do an article all alone, AFC can be a very helpful process and avoid the dangers of deletion.

Please consider either registering a Wikipedia account and using the WP:Article Wizard to guide you through writing, and then submit to AFC, or else keep editing as an IP but go through AFC to get your first article approved so everything will be correct when it published. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I presume IP 119 is the author of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Budhal Faqir, in which case they are already registered. As for the article, its big problem is probably the effusive language, for example "opened his eyes in the village of Baksh Unar" probably means "born in Baksh Unar", etc. The long poem is unnecessary too. Personally, apart from that I think the article may be acceptable - it is about a sufi 'saint' and has several book sources listed. Sionk (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Why does my name appear in Red Color

Please tell me why my name The iWriter appears in Red Color on Wikipedia

Thanks

iWriterThe iWriter (talk) 08:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! Well, you have this problem simply because you haven't created a User page. Hope this helps. Cheers. Have fun editing! :) Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 09:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome, once again, to the Teahouse! To create such a page, click on the red link, insert content into the edit box (similar to what you did to post this question), and click save. The page link will turn blue. Cheers, Buggie111 (talk) 20:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I want to create a New Page and since i am a New User can you guide me plz

Hi

I am interested in creating a page on Leela Bordia, whose name is synonymous with Blue Pottery of Jaipur.

Can any one guide me plz

The iWriter The iWriter (talk) 06:23, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi The iWriter and welcome to the Teahouse. Does Wikipedia:Your first article tell you what you want? —teb728 t c 07:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Yes it does help out a lot. I am sincerely obliged by your prompt response.

Thanks and regards once more

The iWriter The iWriter (talk) 08:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Greeting iWriter, since your article is a biography, I just wanted to remind you to check Wikipedia:Notability (people) before starting to familiarise yourself with the sourcing requirements for biographies. Also, you may want to draft the article in your sandbox (click User:The iWriter/Leela Bordia to start it) because if you start a bio draft in the mainspace and haven't gotten around to putting in references yet, the New Page Patrol will probably delete it, as unreferenced biographies (especially living people) are considered unsafe to the reputation of the subject.

The great news is that it appears Bordia is quite notable, recognised for her pottery skills by academics and the media. Before you start drafting, I would suggest you check GoogleBooks for the several mentions of her there, and then check the rest of Google for news media articles that support the details of her life. Remember, every fact stated in a bio should be footnoted to a source (see WP:Referencing for beginners), so please don't include things you happen to know personally, or "everybody knows" unless it can be properly sourced. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

What's up with this?

I just transcluded my tabs subpage onto my guestbook and for reasons unknown to man (or to me anyway), the link to my awards page and to my guestbook are captioned as a link to my To Do page, which actually doesn't even exist. I also have the tabs transcluded onto my user page and my user talk page and the problem has not shown up there. Does anyone know what might be the trouble? AutomaticStrikeout 02:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey ASO. Well, you know me, I know very little about templates and transclusion and the technical side of Wikipedia, but that certainly stumps me. Have you asked at the Technical Village Pump yet? Someone there might have a little more insight. Go Phightins! 02:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I asked there. AutomaticStrikeout 02:35, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

 Problem solved! AutomaticStrikeout 02:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

creating a new page

Hello, I'm trying to create a new page. I move it, but the title comes out: "Wikipedia: Michael John Miller (Pilates Instructor)" not: Michael John Miller (Pilates Instructor) I don't understand why. Can you help? Thank you, Edit16180339 (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit161, welcome to the Teahouse. Within Wikiepdia there are several namespaces, you mistakenly moved your draft article to the Wikipedia namespace which is for information and discussion about Wikipedia itself (this page for example is within the Wikipedia namespace). General articles live within the Main namespace, I understand why this may have confused you, you weren't the first and you won't be the last to make the same error but when moving articles into main space you need to select from the first dropdown in the move dialog the option (Article). I've now moved your page for you to main space but it does need significant work on it, at least some references about Miller to avoid deletion. NtheP (talk) 16:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Well that helps, thank you! What counts as references that still have a npov? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edit16180339 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Put simply, sources that are independent of Miller and are more than just passing mentions of him. So his own website is not a reliable source and a directory of pilates instructors would only be a passing mention but something like a review of him in maazine about pilates would be acceptable. NtheP (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I added a reference. Would you check please and see what you think? Thank you. Edit16180339 (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

As long as it's not an advert it seems ok. NtheP (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

the reference may or may not be be OK--a single page magazine article is not necessarily substantial, but the WP article you wrote is a pure advertisement. I accordingly deleted it, and you will find a fuller explanation on your user talk page. DGG ( talk ) 18:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Transferring pictures from German language version to English language version

Is it possible to use the same pictures that appear on a German language page on the English version that I want to set up? I mean, without downloading them and uploading them again? How? Thanks. Seniorps (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Seniorps, welcome to the teahouse. A great many images from the German language Wikipedia pages are hosted at Wikimedia Commons, and can therefore be used without downloading and uploading them again. To find out where an image is hosted, just click on the image - if it mentions Commons on the resulting page, then the filename (like File:Horse.jpg) can be used back on the English Wikipedia in exactly the same way as it's used on the German Wikipedia. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

What are some easy ways to contribute to Wikipedia?

Hi! I've already made some contributions to Wikipedia however it's mostly just fixing grammar or adding wiki links on articles that I find through Special:Random. Is there any (fun!) activities that help improve Wikipedia, or is what I'm doing now just fine? Bui (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for your contributions; they're greatly appreciated. There are numerous ways that you can go about finding articles to edit. If you have a particular interest area, you could join a corresponding Wiki-Project, where groups of editors with similar interests collaborate on projects related to whatever that topic is. You could also allow the Suggest Bot recommend articles you may be interested in based on your editing history that need improvement. Or, you could continue doing what you're doing, which is also helpful to Wikipedia. Whatever you choose, you can rest assured that your contributions are helping to build a collection of the world's knowledge into a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit or use. Please don't hesitate to come back should you have any further questions. Happy editing! Go Phightins! 03:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Bui, glad to hear you enjoy helping out! Like Phightins notes, you can join a WikiProjet for a particular topic you enjoy (such as WP:WikiProject Japan, or WP:WikiProject Film for example) and ask them what they need help with in maintaining the project. If you're less wanting to focus on specific topics, and more on improving the structure of Wikipedia, there are a number of projects devoted to Wiki repairs and building, such as adding categories to articles that are missing them, adding wikilinks to articles lacking them, helping add references to unreferenced articles, etc. I'm pasting up a list of such projects to the right, so take a glance at those as well and see if any look good to you. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, it's displaying down below the Table of Contents at right; page layout issue. So scroll down there, or see it at this link: Template:MiniAWFP.

How can I upload a photo for the logo of a children's television show?

Hello. I am JHUbal27 and I want to upload a photo for the children's TV show Get Squiggling. How can I upload the photo? How do I know what the copyright information is?Thank you. JHUbal27

Hi JHUbal27, and a very very warm welcome to the Teahouse! First, right click the photo of your choice and click the Save Image option. Next, upload it on Wikipedia! See the Upload file option in the "Toolbox"? It's conveniently located on the left! Click it! And start the file upload wizard... And do the necessary things, which are explained in simple terms to you on the upload form. Remember to tag it as non free! Cheers. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 04:26, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello JUHbal, just to follow up, once you've started the File Upload Wizard, for a logo you'll choose the This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use. on Step 3, and of the further options it gives you you'll pick This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc. Just be sure to check the form carefully to make sure you selected the right details and gave the right info. Understandably, Wikipedia is very careful about labeling copyrighted material properly so we don't infringe on anyone's rights or break any laws. A limited variety of images (logos, photographs of deceased people, covers of books/albums/movies) can be used under WP:Fair use with specific restrictions, thus the importance of proper labeling as "Fair Use" on the upload. Also note that a Fair Use image can only be used on the article it precisely corresponds to (the logo image can only be used on the company of the logo). Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

User pages

I have seen some users who's pages have some badges on the right side. how do you get these? Remember, Remember the Fifth of November... 22:40, 22 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The True V (talk • contribs)

Hellow The True V! Thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. There is no official "awards" sanctioning at Wikipedia, but there are lots of informal awards that people give each other as a form of encouragement. Wikipedia:Awards has links to many of the various awards, badges, citations, etc. given out at Wikipedia. Does that help? --Jayron32 00:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, V! I think you may be speaking of userboxes, those little boxes that tell people about you? if you go to Category:Userboxes, you will find links to hundreds of them. Or if you see one you like on another editor's userpage, you can open there page in edit mode, copy the code for the userbox and paste it on your page. Hope that helps! As an example, the Teahouse host userbox looks loike this:

This user likes the

drop in and take a look

It's code looks like this: {{User:Penyulap/UBX/PenTea3}} Come back if we can be of more assistance! Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

V, to add to this you can group userboxes together on your userpage using the templates {{userboxtop}} and {{userboxbottom}}. These give you quite a lot of control over how they look, how they are titled, where on the page they display, etc. NtheP (talk) 16:50, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

User: GSK

Hi, I am having trouble with GSK on Wikipedia. Can you help?King of Editing (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! GSK is an experienced editor here on Wikipedia. I am in the process of reviewing your interactions with him, but it seems to me that most of what he's said to you thus far is justified. As for the sockpuppetry allegations, I don't know. I have very little insight in to those types of investigations. I'm afraid you'll have to let that run its course. In the interim, I would encourage you to find an area of interest to you on Wikipedia. Looking through your editing history, it does unfortunately appear as if you've made a few unconstructive edits, but perhaps you could turn that around. You seem to have an interest in Spaceflight. Why not join the Spaceflight Wiki-Project, where editors with an interest in the topic collaborate to improve Wikipedia's coverage of it. I only am familiar with one editor involved there, but it is one editor I regard highly, so I'm sure the project does good work, work that you can be a part of. Thanks again for dropping by the Teahouse, and please don't hesitate to return should you have any further questions. Happy Thanksgiving, Go Phightins! 05:47, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• What a blatant cheek. You are an obvious sock puppet of BeasttoBeast (talk · contribs). This account is going to be blocked very soon and do not be surprised if BeasttoBeast gets blocked as well. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

"PD"

Hi, does anyone know what "PD" means?King of Editing (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse! I've most often seen it used to mean "public domain". Images and text that are in the public domain meet Wikipedia's licensing requirements. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

If context is provided, we can try to figure it out. --RAT -.- Poke it 15:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, KoE, in the context which you are not telling us about but which is the uploading of images, PD stands for public domain. A PD image is one where the author has released all copyright - the image may be copied and re-used in any way without reference back to the author. I must stress that this is a rare situation for images. The vast majority of images are protected in some way. The most severe is "all rights reserved" which is self-explanatory - you may not copy it or do anything with it. One suitable for Wikimedia projects is {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} - read the licence text. Before you even think about uploading another image, I suggest you do the following: prepare a list of images which you have found on the web. For each image you must give us a link to the page in which it can be found and a link to the image itself. Let us see the list and we will tell you which images are suitable for Wikipedia. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you change the title of a page?

Hi, I have just updated the profile page of my companies CEO and I would like to know if you can change the title of the page too as it is now different and needs changing to reflect my update - thanks for any help/advice given. AlisonAlison Newman (talk) 12:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Alison, and welcome to the Teahouse! Just to clarify, do you want your page to be moved from Paul Miller (founder, Intranet Benchmarking Forum) to Paul Miller (founder, Digital Workplace Group)? - a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 13:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Paul Miller (entrepreneur) or Paul Miller (technologist) - neither of which are already taken - would be better. We don't want to be renaming the article every time there's a corporate reshuffle and every time he starts a new organisation. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Alison. You are very welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, but I should point out that editors are strongly discouraged from editing pages about companies or people they are closely associated with: see the page on conflict of interest for why, and what the recommended practice is in such cases. --ColinFine (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

i need information about the zodiac

the zodiac is one of my favorite subjects, but there is not a lot of info about it on wikipedia. i tried editing a few of the western signs, but i got stricken down. im sorry if i crossed a line, but there used to be more information about it a while ago... im wondering where it went. you can check out my user page if you are interested, its a good read. Stuffed tiger (talk) 04:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: sorry for not asking a question... if i wanted to add my knowledge of the zodiac to wikipedia, where would be a good place to start? Stuffed tiger (talk) 04:43, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi stuffed tiger, great username you have there, welcome to the teahouse!

Unfortunately, you can't add your personal knowledge of the zodiac to Wikipedia. Wikipedia only needs information that can be verified in reliable sources (for example, existing published books or magazines on the topic, or reputable websites that have a clear editorial policy.)

What you could do is to see what information from reliable sources you have available to you, and then discuss that information on the talk page of articles about the zodiac (including details of the source it comes from), to see if other editors think any of it would be a useful addition to the articles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't have many sources, but I do trust my own judgement ^._^. As per your request, I will refrain from entering information that is not reliably sourced. Stuffed tiger (talk) 21:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Stuffed Tiger. I understand that you trust your own judgment, as we all do trust our own. The trouble is that I have no idea who you are or how trustworthy you are, just as you know nothing about me: this was summed up in a famous cartoon. That is why we insist on information being verifiable.--ColinFine (talk) 12:01, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Mistyped articale name, need to delte

Hi there,

Essentially I tried to make a page for the hockey player Zach Fucale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Fucale

But I accidently created a page where I ty[ed "Zack" instead of "Zach". I moved all the info to the correct spelling and deleted all the info on the wrong "Zack Fucale" page, but I was wondering if this is enough to permenantly delete this incorrect Zack Fucale page?

Thanks, Matt

Boudreau89 (talk) 03:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Matt, welcome to the Tearoom. Just so you know for next time, instead of creating a new copy of the page you could have "moved" the misspelled article. See Wikipedia:Moving a page for how to do that. Given that you did create a new copy, and given that the title was a plausible misspelling, you didn't need to delete the the misspelled copy; instead you could have converted it to a "redirect" by replacing the content with #REDIRECT [[Zach Fucale]]. That way someone searching for the misspelled name would find the good article. Indeed someone did convert it to a redirect. —teb728 t c 08:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

And you normally wouldn't need to create the redirect, as a Move would automatically create one. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Uploaded Images

Hi I uploaded two images but I need to delete them. One of them has the wrong author (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ignasi_Miquel.jpg), and one of them I own (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_Mary,_University_of_London_Golf_Club.png) but I would like to edit it first. How do I go about deleting these promptly? I'm new to this... Rambo.XIV (talk) 15:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Rambo, thanks for stopping by The Teahouse. Both of your files are on Wikipedia Commons, which is another place images can be uploaded for use on Wikipedia. The links are slightly different on Commons; here is the first file, and here is the second. You are able to able to request deletion of images you have uploaded yourself, but you need to have a compelling reason to do so, which you can read about here. Once you have a reason, there are links on the lefthand side of the screen on the image pages under the "Toolbox" header, and one of them is "Nominate for deletion." Once you have discussed a reason, the image will be reviewed by an administrator on Wikipedia Commons. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 16:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Article submission by Penieldaniels

In reference to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/el Mafrex

I created an Article, I would like to know how long it will take for it to be approved. Can some one also help me check if my referencing is okay. Penieldaniels (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Penieldaniels, unfortunately it appears the Wiki 'bot thinks your article is a copyright violation of http://www.elmafrexonline.com/aboutelmafrex.htm . Did you just copy and paste from that website to make your article? If so, it can't publish, or even be visible as a draft, since it infringes on that website's copyright. You can, of course, still write an article from scratch about el Mafrex, provided he meets the guidelines of WP:Notability (please do check to make sure there), but you can't copy someone else's work without permission. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

What bot? Tijfo098 (talk) 10:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

It actually wasn't a bot but a human, User:Shaz0t (who has since been blocked for abusing multiple accounts).

Penieldaniels, it looks like you didn't outright copy the other page but may have copied some striking phrases from it. —teb728 t c 11:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you teb728, for identifying that. Will continue my corrections and please feel free to edit it as well. Penieldaniels (talk) 14:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello guys, I have just submitted the article again, help me check if it is okay. Penieldaniels (talk) 18:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Spelling

What is the easiest way to spell-check? How does one decide between using British and US spelling - my first subject matter is American but I'm British? Thank you Teckelberg7Teckelberg7 (talk) 14:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Teckelberg. If the subject is American use US spelling. The local spelling for subjects with a clear national identity should be used. Where it is a general subject the convention is that the style in which it was first written is preserved. I too would like to know if it is possible to have a spell checker working in the edit window. I expect other hosts will be able to help here. Otherwise you can write the text in a Word document and cut/paste it into the wiki.--Charles (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

(ec) The easiest way to spell-check for me is using the Firefox browser which will automatically underline words that are likely misspellings. There may be a plugin for your browser that will do this for you.

The appropriate guideline for choosing which version of English is WP:ENGVAR and it goes beyond US and UK spellings.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I use Firefox but this is not happening for me. Any suggestions?--Charles (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at this document which may help. Mine worked automatically as I recall but this may be nothing more than you need to enable within your preferences.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, try right clicking inside an edit window and then check the pop-up menu which should have the option.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.--Charles (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• Note that there is also Wikipedia:Spellchecking which gives some direction for different browsers.
   — Berean Hunter (talk) 15:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you friends for your helpful responses.

I checked the guideline and noted, "an article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation." Sound advice when the subject is unambiguously American, British, Jamaican or whatever; but what would be recommended when the subject crossed the pond, to stay on the other side? T S Eliot, an American who took on British nationality. W H Auden born in England became a US citizen. I don't know enough about them to say if the poets changed their spelling rules too when they took on new citizenship? But I digress, as my present subject is thoroughly American I will aim for US spelling. Thank you again and thanks too for the tips on spell-checking. 77.250.2.174 (talk) 15:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. If there's not a compelling logical reason to use one regional variant over the other, we usually stick with the variant already used in the article. The articles on major literary figures such as Eliot and Auden will have existed for a long time, so it's likely the use of one variant will be well established at both. If in doubt, you could ask at the article's talk page. And don't sweat it: if you say "flavor" where "flavour" is the preferred choice, it's not a big deal; someone will probably just fix it. Rivertorch (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Help with page denial because similar topic pages exist already

Hello. I'm new to this so bear with me :-). My submission on Fraternal Benefit Societies was denied because similar topics exist in 3-4 other pages. The trouble is, none of the current pages truly convey with Fraternal Benefit Societies are today. The reviewer asked me to edit/add on to the Mutual Organizations page, but, as previously stated, they are distinct, different entities. My solution was to create this separate "Fraternal Benefit Societies" page, but Matthew Vanitas (graciously) declined and asked that I submit my question here for you all to ponder. What would you recommend? I believe that if I try to "edit" of the existing pages I'll largely overwrite them entirely, which I'm sure Wiki doesn't want me to do...Ninalill (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Article in question is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Fraternal benefit society

Ninalill, welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps a start would be to edit the page on Mutual organizations to include a section that defines each of the different types of organization and explain, succinctly, how they are all distinct from each other. Once you have established that distinction then it may be that each can, if not already, be expanded from a couple of paragraphs into a free standing article. NtheP (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I guess my preference then, if I can't have a new separate page, would be to edit the "Benefit Society" page already on Wiki. My goal would be that if someone is searching for information about Fraternal Benefit Socieities they would find this page, rather than be redirectd to "Mutual Organizations" which I still believe is way too broad and ambiguous (and commercial-focused) for me to even edit to define Fraternal Benefit Socieities. Do I have Wiki's OK to proceed? I would like to think that after all the time I've invested here I'll actually wind up with a page that reflects what Fraternal Benefit Societies are. Ninalill (talk) 15:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not clear on what is meant by "Mutual organizations". The link above is red, and yet Ninalill is referring to an article that exists and has problems.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:43, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

the actual page title is Mutual organization -- we always use the singular form. When there's a plural form that makes sense, we add the plural is a redirect page that links to the actual one. When you put in the link, you can write it like [[singular]]s with the "s" outside the parenthesis -- it will appear in the article as if the s were part of the link. DGG ( talk ) 17:50, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Checking the two pages in their current form, they are substantially different. I've accordingly moved your article to mainspace. It would help , just as Nthep says, to clarify the distinction in a paragraph. Please also check you article and adjust the tome a little--it should be more formal, stating facts, not conclusions. DGG ( talk ) 18:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

How to add image in Wikipedia?

Page Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Kapil_Srivastava

Also, guide me on how to add image, the image url options are as follows:

1) http://kapilguitarist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/state-award-from-education-chief-minister.jpg

2) http://kapilguitarist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/kk.jpg

3) http://kapilguitarist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/kk2.jpg

How can I upload a photo for the logo of a children's television show?

Hello. I am JHUbal27 and I want to upload a photo for the children's TV show Get Squiggling. How can I upload the photo? How do I know what the copyright information is?

As the logo will be copyrighted you will have to upload as Non-free content, see File:Teletubbies logo.gif as example. Traveler100 (talk) 16:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

isn't it wrong to delete a scientific article by poor election and with no scientific reason!?

There are a large number of conference talks in physics. They are often important for example i found that, this article [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estakhr's_Constant_(physics) Estakhr's Constant (physics)] that was deleted. This is very important article so important that alone is a physics cornerstone!. Requests for undeletion Estakhr constant physics as you can see Unfortunately, most people who have commented to delete this article, had little knowledge of physics. isn't it wrong to delete a scientific article by poor election and with no scientific reason!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neophysics (talk • contribs) 07:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Neophysics, welcome to Wikipedia! Sorry, but the article was deleted appropriately, for a few reasons. First of all, it was unsourced. The only sources cited were blogs and forum posts (the links themselves were mostly dead). Neither blog posts nor forum posts are considered reliable sources for Wikipedia. The thing is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias don't publish things first. We're a tertiary source: we don't publish things like original research or reviews of original research; that's left to peer-reviewed scientific journals. Once a theory has been published in those journals, we can write about it, but not before then. Second, I'm sorry to say it, but the article was written in English so poor and fragmented as to be incomprehensible. Subjects with no sources that are written in indecipherable prose, making grand claims about physics, are generally given short shrift on Wikipedia, as they appear to be hoaxes.

Now, you do raise an interesting point. How do we know whether people have knowledge of physics? We don't, although I'd be willing to bet good money that they know more physics than you give them credit for. That's why reliable sources are so important at Wikipedia. Because we can't tell who people are, and what their areas of knowledge are, we can only go on what's written in reliable sources. This si why the lack of sources in the article was such a problem: without their backing, we have no idea whether the author knew what they were talking about or if they had just made it up.

I hope this was helpful to you: understanding things like this are key to being able to contribute to Wikipedia successfully. Don't feel bad for getting it wrong! They're pretty tricky things, but it's important to keep them in mind nonetheless. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask again here, or if you prefer, you can ask me on my talk page. Happy editing! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 08:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

original article was not blog posts or forum posts. infact it was a conference talk that was peer-reviewed and accepted by notable physicist: Giovanni Amelino-Camelia

• MG13 Accepted Talk detail Google webcache
• riassunto2 - ICRA

This is obvious reason, this is an authoritative article and notable. Neophysics (talk) 09:39, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Has it actually been published in a reputable scientific journal? As Writ Keeper has stated, Wikipedia requires multiple independent, published secondary sources that indicate the notability of a subject. If it hasn't even been published in a journal yet, it's very unlikely that an admin will restore the article.--xanchester (t) 09:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I've looked through the program for the 13th Marcel Grossmann Meeting, and I can't find any mention of Estakhr or any talks that he gave, nor any mention that it was accepted or reviewed. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I google it, but the paper is still unpublished. no wonder, because there is no physics journal in all over the middle east!. But the physical content of the article is very interesting. but presented, peer-reviewed and accepted in a few prestigious conferences. That's why I've edited it. Neophysics (talk) 12:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but Wikipedia has an official policy of not publishing material until it has been published elsewhere. Try again when it has been published in a reliable source. —teb728 t c 00:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

can't we cite article with this point, "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."? Neophysics (talk) 12:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

That tag is used for articles where sources are known to exist, but have not been yet properly cited. For articles where no proper sources are known to exist, then the article is generally deleted. --Jayron32 13:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Articles cannot be kept based on future notability.--xanchester (t) 13:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

why not!?, This talk has been accepted in a reliable conference. i've seen several physics articles in wikipedia that have not even an accepted talk as a reference!. 65.255.37.179 (talk) 14:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Please read the official policies Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability If you seriously think we might change these core policies, go to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). —teb728 t c 23:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

My AFC Submission

Hi! A few days ago, I submitted this a few days ago and it got declined for having no refs. Could someone help me find a few reliable sources? Thanks in advance for your help, Jakob 23:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jakob and welcome the Teahouse. This is not an answer, but I have couple of questions for you: Who wrote the book? The text says one thing, and the infobox says something different. And did this book win the Young Reader's Choice Award? If so that might be something you could reference; you can’t use Wikipedia as a reference, but you might find something about it elsewhere. —teb728 t c 03:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I messed up. The infobox is correct; Marie McSwigan wrote the book and Eric Bowman drew the pictures. Regarding your second question, it did win the Young Reader's Choice Award in 1945. Do you have any suggestions as to which website would have such information? Thank you for your help, Jakob 03:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jakob, and welcome to the Teahouse – it's a great place for questions like this (sorry I haven't been able to help you recently). I've added some references, and please see the discussion that you started on my talk page for more information. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 07:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

AMONG THE MANY PROBLEMS OF THIS USELESS SITE -- LACK OF ACRONYMS

LACK OF ACRONYMS of makes the articles UNREADABLE -- this needs to be fixed

i want to know HOW

if this cannot be fixed easier, i and others that are actually intelligent will continue to ignore wikipedia's trash

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency&diff=525258408&oldid=525258135

Coginsys (talk) 03:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)