Talk:Dilazak

This article is severely incoherent, and lacks neutrality. --Geracudd 01:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Answers of your Questions

As you have raised 4 questions in your talk page dated 10 July 2012. So the answers are as under.

1. Strange so strange, are your here to compose the history of afghans? There are a lot of references about 'dilzak'. As you ask for just one reference, so please see 'Tawarikh Hafiz Rahmat Khani, Urdu order and footnotes by Roshan Khan, Pashto Academy, University of Peshawar. And please keep it in mind that history always needs reliability not language.

2. My book is based on reliable sources and you have already accepted my references for your particular page (i.e. the references of Akhund Darweza(persian), Qazi abdul Haleem Asar(pashto) and Mahbub Ahmad khan Karlani, although you not know Persian and Pashto). Using the word "concocted", first you should have proper checkup from a physician for your psychic problems.

3. As you accept that my blog has little substance. But unfortunately your blog is totally based on false stories and fake tours. Anyhow as a core member of "dilzak welfare society" I will raise my concerns about your jealous attitude with two other core colleagues.

4. I think this indicates your ignorance. There are a lot of Pashtun women, whom brave character is the part of Pashtun history, such as bibi mubaraka, mother of ahdad roshani, Nazo Tokhi (Nazo Anaa), Zarghona Anaa, and Malalai of Maiwand. Nazo Anaa was a prominent 17th century Pashto poet and an educated Pashtun woman who eventually became the "Mother of Afghan Nationalism" after gaining authority through her poetry and upholding of the Pashtunwali code. Her cause was picked up in the early 18th century by Zarghona Anaa, the mother of Ahmad Shah Durrani. All the Pashtun scholars feel proud on the brave character of shah borey . As you asked for English reference so the great wali ullah khan had dedicated his book to shah borey.Asarjan123 (talk) 08:48, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Repeated edits by Asarjan

This is with reference to your repeated edit of this particular page. Your edits have following drawbacks, due to which you are requested not to edit this page time and again:- 1. You are including a name for 'The Dilazak' tribe of Afghans with your own concocted word 'Dilzak'. Please provide a single reference to your edit. Never in the past in any history book has ‘The Dilazak’ ever been mentioned as 'The Dilzak'. Refer to any history book written in English language for a proof. 2. You are giving reference to a book which has been written by yourself, has no literary authenticity and in which a no of points can be easily proven wrong and concocted. If you want to be famous, try some other way. 3. You are including reference to your blog which has little substance to help readers explore further about Dilazaks. Instead it displays your own picture. Please do not use wiki for your own advertisement. 4. Afghans do not discuss their ladies and you are time and again trying to highlight 'Shah Borey' which is against atticates. People (The Dilazaks) all over the world have given 'thumbs down' to this act of yours. If you want I can copy one email received from UK just few days back as an example. Please give referrence of an English book, not an Urdu book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilazak1 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

   Dilazak1 06:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

My Comments on Your Article

I believe the article needs a drastic improvement, this including it's neutrality. You describe the "tragedy" of the tribe rather than simply stating what happened. Thank you for your contributions. --Geracudd 02:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I see few readers, raising objection on autheticity of this article, well they are justified. I am working on my documentary on The Dilazak along with a book on this valorous tribe like all other Afghan tribes, to whom I appreciate a lot. I shall make an endeavor to place a few dozen references very soon from few dozen historical works to satisfy readers of this article, indeed a very very precise one.

   I would also request The Dilazaks to please assist me in knowing their locations and family histories. I have to also write on some other castes and tribes like The Rajputs, The Jats, The Awan and few important Afghan Tribes like The Yousafzae, The Khattaks, The Afridis, The Mohmands, The Bangash, The Tanolis, The Tarin and The Utmanzae etc, to name a few. I shall request the members of these caste and tribes to help me out by giving some digital material and important links to history sites etc.
   Let the world know through a modern day information treasure like Wikipedia about you. Let them understand us and our history. Understanding each other solves so many problems.
      Thank for your patience.
   dilazak1 at yahoo, gmail & hotmail

TheDilazak (talk) 13:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

how to put pictures and movie clips in my article?

Can somebody guide me as to how to put media items in an article? I shall be thankful. Dilazak1 (talk) 10:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Click here for information on how to place images in an article. [ roux ] [x] was prince of canada 10:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

March 2010 reverts with Dilazak1

User Dilazak1 has reverted this article to his earlier version several times, including twice this month. I submit that said version is not Wikipedia appropriate, does not include the tags which the article needs, is not properly categorized, as is generally not an acceptable alternative to the wikified version which I and other editors have worked to partially improve. I request that editors consider those issues before reverting to Dilazak1's version, and if they feel that Dilazak1's version is more accurate and suitable, that they explain such here on Discussion, or else take the page to Arbitration. MatthewVanitas (talk) 07:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Dear Matthew Vanitas

Thanks for guiding me to talk page, had not much of the clue to it. These are few reasons that compelled me to revert to original page. The very first sentence is so much wrong that it changes the whole picture. It is as somebody would say that 'The Franks were Romans or The Britain and The Saxons were one and the same thing' or The Germanic People decended from The Mongols. No Dilazak claims to be or has ever claimed of its Hindic Origin. Afghans and Hindic people are totally two different people. The reference you gave is from a book which has numerous errors in it and mind you that this book has totally different purpose. It is not a thorough research work and does not carry any authentication. Can you tell me the reference or authority from which this decision of Hindic origin has been taken? In fact, I am, though a Dilazak myself, doing a research on my tribe along with a number of other tribes including Afghan and Non-Afghan Tribes. I assure you that in spite of the desire of some of my people to invent something, I am going to give a true, authenticated and unbiased history. I want to leave a thing which carries some authority and not just another cock and bull story. The present amendments are like I write your history and then commit mistakes. The oldest record of this land in present day Afghanistan, Pakistan and India is "Memoirs of Babar" (The First King of The Mughals). Latter on we have "Tareekh-e-KhanJahani Wa Maghzan-e-Afghani" written by an Afghan Amir (Minister) of King Jahangir's Court followed by another book written by King Akbar-The Great (Aaeen-e-Akbari or the Law of Akbar). These are the basic books from which every writer later in the History took guidance, some changed few words and some even did not bother to do that even. When the Dilazak met tragedies in 'one single century' and lost 'The Peshawar Valley', they were too downtrodden to ward off any twisting of history by so called writers. A number of books were written by the opponents of the Dilazak concocting baseless stories that is why most of these books are not referred by the later writers. However, when British came to India and then into Peshawar valley, they had multiple problems like they wanted to please the then ruling tribes of Peshawar plain and they had, for reference, the same books produced by the anti-Dilazak people. The books I referred were yet not translated for the consumption of the British. The British could not speak Pashto and certainly were aliens in such a ferocious tribe based civilization. If you want I can give you excerpts from the preface of few English books in which the writers have clearly mentioned their inability to do detailed or even some research. Amongst the English people of that time 'Sir Olaf Caroe" was the only person who stayed for quite some time in 'North West Frontier Province' of the then 'British Indian Empire'. He wrote a very detailed account of Afghan Tribes in his book 'The Pathans". Except the few books, I mentioned earlier, his is the only book which has never been contested. So many writers and 'Gazetteer makers' have borrowed his words a number of times. So in nut shell, no body of any authoritative work including the people you are talking about has ever said that The Dilazak is of Hindi Origin. If that is true then every Afghan is of Hindic origin and certainly that would be a joke. I have put this page to give very basic information about this tribe to anybody in search of some information regarding this tribe and that is why I have calculated each and every sentence so that correct and authenticated information is given to the reader. On somebody's observation, I gave just few references out of 300+ books and numerous other materials under my study. I just don't want it to be a 'Discussion for the sake of discussion' battle field. Obviously there are always other views but one should prove these with some authority. To give a reference from a book written without due research is wrong and I really don't know who did that? This would be injustice with a people of over 2 million population (Estimated) world over. You have removed link to my blog which I placed as external link for readers. I would request if you could help me adjust this in a suitable way. One more thing, somebody has made small changes changing the whole meaning and making a true statement to become a false statement, e.g. Jahangir (The King) ordered his General, Zain Khan Koka to sort out The Dilazak while he was on his way to Kabul and not after visiting Kabul. This is stated by himself in his book 'Tozk-e Jahangiri' or 'Memoirs of Jahangir'. Its original copy exists. He had left a large part of his army because according to Jahangir, Kabul Valley was too small to take all of his soldiers, and again it is said by him, the Jahangir.

Please put my original article as it was unless you want to ask something else. Regards Dilazak1 (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply (sectioning for clarity of long reply)

Greetings, I appreciate your communicating here on the talk-page. I am not taking one stance or another regarding your views on Dilazak Pashtun history. It is entirely possible that you are entirely correct regarding the historical issues you raise. However, setting all that aside, the version of the page you wish to revert to is completely unacceptable in tone and format, and extremely confusing to read. For example:

• In a neutral and objective work, it is not appropriate to use subjective phrases such as any of the following:
  • Afghans are a proud and brave people
  • Honourable Mr Karraan
  • The story of the Dilazak did not end here.
  • have the unique honour of being

• The version your prefer fails to use practically any of the conventions of Wikipedia:
  • The title term does not appear in bold at the beginning of the first sentence
  • The text is not divided into clear sub-sections
  • It links to external links rather than using a proper reference
  • It bolds terms to emphasize importance, which is not WP format
  • It has a "title" which is completely unnecessary since the article is titled
  • The footnotes are in all capitals and very difficult to read, with no links to online texts (preferred when available)
  • The article completely lacks wikilinks to related terms
  • The article does not fall within any category, but has a non-functioning attempt to use categories at the bottom: "Template:Catagoty:Afghan History"
  • You self-promote a blog at the very top of the page, whereas the current version does indeed have a link to your blog, but in the appropriate section at the end of the article.

Your interest in contributing to Wikipedia is appreciated, but you need to follow Wikipedia conventions in order to make your contributions helpful to readers. I suggest you start with the current article and remove or modify sections which you know to be incorrect. Please remember to use the "Edit summary" at the base of the editing window to explain the changes you are making, and please do not remove footnoted text without replacing it with footnoted text with a more reputable reference. I look forward to seeing this article improve as you and other persons interested in Pashtun history continue to come to Wikipedia. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello Again

Dear Matthew Vanitas, Thanks for improving the layout of this page. I am trying to understand and improve the page as you observed. How can I give internal referrences? I just had a brain wave- Can I put scanned pages with a picture of the cover for all books, I gave referrences to- May be on a blog page? Sorry for bothering you. I am managing two large official web sites myself but wikipedia requires special editing procedure and I am not finding time to learn all that. Thanks Dilazak1 (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Dilazak in India?

I am going to remove the reference to India as a residence for Dilazaks in the opening sentence to the article. Like most communities and tribals from whom individuals or families have travelled far and wide in search of work etc. Dilazaks have also seen this phenomenon and some of their number have indeed moved to India as well as other destinations. It is correct to mention Afghanistan and Pakistan as primary bases for Afghan/Pashtun tribes but outside of these territories should not be mentioned in the introduction. Moarrikh (talk) 00:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It seems that Dilazak1 is an Indian claiming Dilazak ancestory hence his/her deletion of my edit to the introductory section of the article. Being in India he is neither living as a cultural nor linguistic Pashtun. At best Indian Pathans can be considered Indians claiming Pashtun orignis or Pathan descended Indians - they do not live by Afghan code of Pashtunwali. Even the people of Hazara do not know who is Dilazak amongst them because there such things as sub-tribes, clans etc. and these names are more prevalent. Even though these people have not spoken Pashto in Hazara for some two centuries they nontheless practise Pashtunwali thus are culturally Pashtun. In India this is not the case hence they cannot be considered tribal community in India. There may families identifying as Dilazak but by and large they have been assimilated into the larger Indian Muslim people as exempilified by their culture, language and physionomy. Hence I am reverting the my edit.Moarrikh (talk) 02:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Archaic use of term "Afghan" to mean "Pashtun"

Dilazak1 (and any allied parties): the use of "Afghan" to mean "Pashtun" is archaic and confusing. To refer to Karlanris as an "Afghan tribe" vice "Pashtun tribe" makes the issue unclear; "Afghan tribe" could mean they are Baluch, Aimaq, or one of dozens of other "tribal" grounds living in the modern Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. Further, to a modern reader the term "Afghan tribe" would not indicate that they live in Pakistan as well. "Pashtun tribe" covers both Afghanistan and Pakistan, and distinguishes them from other non-Pashtun tribal groups.

I understand that you have some historical/cultural affinity for the word "Afghan", but your adherence to it simply causes confusion in the modern era. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I have given my reasons for removing India from the introductory sentence in the article. User Dilazak needs to know that there may be descendants of Dilazaks in India but they are not resident as a tribal group nor are they living as Pashtun/Afghan community with Pashtunwali, Pashto language and culture. Furthermore their physionomy is no different than their fellow Indians thus revealing their inter-breeding with other Hindustani Muslims and perhaps Hindu converts to Islam. This is true for majority of other claimants to Yusufzais, Afridis and other tribes of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Let me further inform you that the Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan (formerly NWFP) is the East Afghanistan province and was only incorporated into India in early 20th century and so is still claimed by Afghanistan as its land so north western Pakistan is Pashtun homeland as is indicated in the name of Pakistan: P (Punjab) A (Afghanis) K (Kashmir) I (diacritical mark Zer) S (Sind) Tan (from Balochistan). Moarrikh (talk) 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

This is etting silly. The edit war between Moarrikh and Dilazak1 is not good for the article. Dilazak1, who is certainly an Indian who insists on including India as a primary residence for Dilazaks in India is absurd. He seems to go on and on re the history quite a lot but is unwilling to accept alternative explanations and anythingg that goes against his version/interpretation of the same history and current situation on the ground. Moarrikh seems to be irritated by this and has kept on reverts of his own. But some of his criticisms are valid as he has written on the talk page his issues whereas Dilazak1 just seems to ignore fair questions raised. I would like Wikipedia to ensure that the article is structured along fair and logical lines and that to invite other expert editors of Pashtun people/tribes to intervene and re-write the article in line with Wikipedia policy and practice. As a Afghan myself I will also liaise with my family members and Afghan academics on both side of the Durand Line to ascertain the correct history of the Dilazaks and make my own contributions as and when necessary. I also have links to Peshawar University's relevant professors who will shed light on this for me hopefully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montement (talk • contribs) 10:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Dear Indian Dilazaki

Dear Indian Dilazaki it is very absurd of you to call me a racist. If I am a racist then you have proved me right in that there can only be Indians of Dilazak descent but it is impossible to be Indian Dilazak - the term is both contradictory and paradoxical. My reason for not including India in the opening sentence of the article is simple in that India is not Pakistan or Afghanistan i.e. it is not a primary residence of the Dilazaki tribe. India can be mentioned later in the article as a place where some of the tribe travelled to a few centuries earlier thus there may still be some who can identify themselves as being descendants of the early settlers - others have assimilated over a long and protracted period of intermarriage. Your concept of Indian Dilazaki status in India itself betrays your naivete and immaturity. You're not the only one who follows this twisted logic. There seems to be a long list of Indian people who call themselves Mughal, Turk, Sayyad and Yusufzai/Afridi etc.who are at best descendants but nothing more. The Pashtuns do not call themselves Huns, Hepthalites or Jewish etc. despite the fact their history ascribes these origins to them. So get real and stay as a Hindustani and do not provoke BJP who only want you to call yourselves as sons of the Indian soil.

Do visit Dilazak talk page and read my justification for omitting India from the introduction. Don't lie it seems very peurile thing to do whilst calling me immature. Moarrikh (talk) 21:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear Moarrikh

I would like to answer you under two headings: First why I do not consider your edits justified. Second why I call this attitude of your as racist attitude. But before that all, I want to assure you that it is not at all and has never been an issue of my ego that someone else should not edit whatever cock and bull story I have written. I always look for valid reasons and logic behind an action. I can be easily convinced to change my opinion altogether, only if I am convinced through logic and reason. With this, I come to the first point and that is why India and descendants etc should be there or not?

Original country of Afghans is considered/believed to be present day Afghanistan (Not Pakistan). How Afghans appeared in that land is almost a myth and there are number of theories to that effect. However, in the known history, Afghans are seen in Sub-Continent first in the shape of the Dilazak during 750-850 CE. Then during the invasions of Mehmood Ghaznavi and others, large number of Afghans had been coming into Indian Sub-Continent. Some of them went back and some of them settled down in new territories. This continued till 16th Century, when a large influx of Afghans came into Peshawar valley in the shape of Yousafzae, Mohmands, Tar Khelis and Utmanzae etc. In the same century, Afghans spread further into India with the Mughal King Babur and since those times, Afghans’ have been living in Indian Subcontinent of those days including India of today.

If we say ‘descendent’, for example, then all Afghans living in India, Pakistan and even in Afghanistan are certainly descendants of Jews or Armenianans etc (Depends which theory you agree to). Afghans in India including the Dilazak are as old as anyone else is except aboriginal Indians. And mind you, aboriginal Indians are also believed to be in southern India. North Indians are believed to be mix breed of foreign origins. If you want to study further, do study ‘Aryan Theory’ in detail (For and against both). Now coming back to my original point, there are supposed to be four and (To some) three generations of humans in one century. A people with more than 20+ generations living in a land are in my opinion people of that land and if we go according to your theory, then not only 'the Dilazak' but every other Afghan tribe does not belong to either India or Pakistan even Afghanistan as well. I hope I have made my point somewhat clearer.

Now coming to second issue which deals with your racist attitude. I have my following reasons :-

You first edit where you removed word India was on 5 Aug 12. I undid it but again you did the same thing. This process continued when I asked you on 8 Sep 12 to give some reasons for removing this word. You did not reply but did remove the word ‘India’ again till I requested you on 18 Sep 12 to explain the edits. You did not reply but kept editing the same word time and again converting it into an 'edit war'. On receiving no reply, I gave my observations on 3 Oct 12, not for you but for 'Wiki Editors' to note the point. You still kept on editing it till 12 Nov 12 when you replied with remarks which are apparently derogatory as you used word ‘idiotic’. I advised you not give such remarks next day.

On 22 Nov 12, you wrote, ‘Mr. Toor Dilazak’ which means 'Black (Toor - A Pashto Language Word) Dilazak' implicating the Dilazak of India as Black Dilazak (Though I am not an Indian). Again it speaks of your unjustified racial approach. Your edit was reverted two days later on 24 Nov 12 by Mr. MatthewVanitas, a wiki editor as well.

On top of all in your recent edit you went to the extents. Your use of word Indian Dilazaki is an insult, not to me but to yourself (More so if , by any chance, you are an Afghan yourself). Do you know which area of Pakistan has maximum concentration of the Dilazak? Its Hazara, where in Haripur alone, there are more than twenty large villages/towns of the Dilazak. In Peshawar, there is only one village and they too are all Pashto speakers. On the other side, 30% population of Peshawar itself is non-Pakhtoon but speaks Pashto. Pashto (Or any language) is not the criteria for any body to become a Pashtoon or non-Pashtoon. Its 'Genetics', which decides who is who?

Just before closing my this long thesis, For you specially, I am a fair colour Afghan Dilazak and live nearby Peshawar in KPK. Based on your previous behaviour, am I wrong saying it an immature attitude? And lastly, I have written this entire thesis to make you understand something. If I was successful then certainly you would not do the same edit again. However, you can always contribute with reason and logic anywhere in the article. I would really appreciate that. And if I have failed in making you understand anything, please keep doing ,whatever, you were doing earlier. I will keep reverting it. But this time, I will also ask ‘Wiki Administrators’ to block your account and any IP/IP range from where you log in to protect the wiki standards. Don't you think, I deserve that?

I hope I have not offended you.

Regards

Mr Dilajacki

Mr Dilajacki, I do not consider you a Pakistan based Pashtun or otherwise. I am born here and as an academic and historian of Pashtuns, particularly of Hazara-based tribes (including Hindko speaking comunities)I have a lot of knowledge both contemporary situations in the two countries. Whereas you are, regardless of what you say, are an Indian, as evidenced by your ignorance of the geography of administrative boundries of Pakhtunkhwa and Pakistan - you've made so many mistakes in 'your' article that it defies logic: mixing Punjabi zillahs with Pakhtunkhwa zillahs, not knowing where certain towns and people live or are based. You use Sher Khan Panni's first edition Tarikh e Hazara without critical perspective whereas Dr Sher Khan himself apologised for his mistakes and wrote a second edition to placate his critics with some errors remaining. His reliance on a Sikh's journal/memoirs is unfortunate. Dilazak is not tribe in Pakhtunkhwa or Afghanistan but urban community mainly in Peshawar. Furthermore, they are a Hindko speaking people, who may speak the lingua france of Peshawar ouside their home but domestically they are Kharays. In Hazara they are totally Hindko speaking and not Pashto speaking because the outside language is definately HINDKO too. The only people who speak Pashto in Haripur/Southern Hazara are the Mashwanis, who in reality are Syeds. The only people who speak Pashto as a first language, and perhaps Hindko as second language, are the tribes of upper Mansehra, Upper Tanawal, Toor Ghar, Battagram etc. I visit these areas as well as other parts of Pakhtunkhwa regularly. Last but a major issue is that you insist on putting India as a primary residence of the Dilazaks which is utterly absurd and a primie facie case of your Indian roots. You seem to know too much of Indian geography and not of Pakistan. There are descendants of major Pashtun tribes of Yusufzai, Afridis, Tanaolies in greater numbers in India but none of their articles list India as their primary residence for the tribes in the introductory sentences. I did say to you that I have no objection to this being mentioned later in the article as it is briefly mentioned for the tribes referred to above. Also I consider you racist when you refuse Bangladesh, Malaysia etc. as being places where descendants are also living. My thesis is that descendants living away from the major tribe soon get mixed up with surrounding people and DNA, culture and language changes make people a different group ethnically as well racially. Syeds of Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are not Arabs after hundreds of years even if we accept they are were originally from the Prophet's family. As you yourself said the origins of the Afghans is no longer their identity due to centuries of admixture with others in their surroundings. Indian 'Dilazaks' likewise are not Dilazaks nor Pashtuns anymore. At best Dilazak is only one of their ancestory among other Hindu and Muslims paternal/maternal descent. I hope this clrifies my thesis. My constant reverts of your reverts to my edits were both annying and offensive. You refused to engage in a dialogue to arrive at a consensus. In all of Wikipedia articles on Pashtun/Afghan tribes in all these years not a single article has been written by an Afghni/Pakistani Pakhtun writer but it was an Indian pupotedly of Dilazak origin who took it upon himself to do this. What does this tell you?

I maintain that you are an Indian and not a Pakistani as exemplified by your refusal to accept Pakhtunkhwa as an Afghan territory, thus betraying your hatred of Pakistan - typical Indian Muslim situation despite claiming it as homeland. My position is clear Pakhtunkhwa is Eastern Afghanistan whether you like it or not whereas you are an Indian, maybe of Dilazak ancestory but not a Pashtun. Period. Moarrikh

Reply

I am referring the matter to 'Wiki Administrators' for arbitration Dilazak1 12:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

for Moarrikh

I have referred the matter for arbitration at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement_by_Dilazak1 Dilazak1 13:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilazak1 (talk • contribs)

Appeal to Afghan/Pukhtunkhwas based Pakhtuns to contribute I am getting sick of this Indian Dilaszak1 who refuses to compromise and insists on citing India as a primary residence for Dilazaks along with Afghanistan and Pakistan. Furthermore he also refuses to recognise Pakhtunkhwa as the historical eastern Afghanistan province of Afghanistan. Despite my evidence to the contrary this Bharati/Hindustani, who may be a Karachi Urdu speaking mahajer, deletes/reverts my edits to replace with his unsustantiated claims for Dilazaks contemporary situation in KPK. I appeal to true Pakhtuns to contribute to this talk page as well as the main article in order to put the accurate hitorical and contemporary facts in. I will reproduce my comments on his talk page to here so that you all can see my arguments re my points. I shall also appeal on Pashtun chatrooms, blogs as well as contacting Peshawar University/Hazara University academics to give their opinions in this matter too. I also appeal to Wikipedia administrator to arbitrate in a fair manner in the dispute here between a Pashtun historian and an Indian non-Pashtun. Moarrikh (talk) 16:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)