Talk:Luis Fortuño

Removal of "Curtailing civil liberties"

I removed the following paragraph:

While trying to deal with the worst economic situation in the island since 1930s', Governor Fortuño is trying to keep the civil liberties in the country with little success. On June 30, 2010 a group of UPR students were to strike in the legislative house. The group of students were stopped by a group of police men equipped with gases, pepper sprays and big batons. The press was shut out of the legislative house with the students in a forcedly manner showing no respect for the free press.

First of all, the source is an op-ed, not an objective source.

Second, the paragraph repeatedly violates NPOV. While I believe that the recession that started in March 2006 is "the worst economic situation since 1930s' " (sic), it is simply a point of view that the author of the paragraph and I share. The members of the public were not merely "UPR students". While that sounds nice and sweet, the sponsors included "Juventud Socialista" and "Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores" or Socialist Youth and the Socialist Workers Movement (Yes, Virginia, the Cold War has not entirely ended in PR!). It is a matter of discussion who struck first. Photos were published of a spray being directed at police, presumably mace, seconds before the meleé started. Two citizens arrested had knapsacks full of rocks (and they probably were not rock collectors or geology majors at UPR!)

Third, if "the press was shut out of the legislative house" (sic), it has nothing to do with Fortuño because legislative rules and enforcement are the purview of legislative leadership.

A Wikipedia entry of a very contemporary developing and politically controversial news story has to be especially neutral and well-sourced. This graf was not. Pr4ever (talk) 12:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC

Although I understand your point, you make a lot of other points which are completely off track. First of all, there is no such group in PR with such an uncolorful name as "Juventud Socialista". However, there is the "Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores", who have a youth organization who have also a STUDENT chapter. So yes, we were all students there (except for the old ladies that the police beat up indiscriminately). It is VERY WELL documented that the police struck first, when they beat up the student press inside the legislature, completely unprovoked. Yes, students fired mace at the police, but maybe you didnt notice the police HITTING THEM WITH NIGHTSTICKS? Are they supposed to drop their pants and let the police "stick it to them" literally?

Also, for all you boast of objectivity, there is absolutely NO PROOF anyone had rocks there. Nobody saw them EVER; that was part of the police report to the press, and the very press denied rocks were ever thrown. That is also well documented. Of course, you will deny it, cuz it doesnt help your case to say otherwise.

The press was not neutral documenting the incident, because it was OBVIOUS what was happening. Of course, people like you who are paid by the "Progressive" (more like Medievalist) Party have to deny it. It's your job. --- a puertorrican (who was actually THERE, unlike some other people I can mention...)