User talk:Supersaiyan

Dbachman

Raja jee,

Can you please go here Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Dbachmann (2) and support Dbachman on the response section since he is being accused by the Singhs for trying to bring the Rajput article on track?

خرم Khurram 20:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you! Eid Mubarak! — goethean ॐ 22:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vacationing?

Long time no message! Shivraj Singh 15:30, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Im back!

Have a look on the page bro, Im back andvery much here. I have read somewhere that when 2 parties are constantly engaged in any dispute, at some point somewhere, they do almost miss the other when their no longer around. This feeling from your side is fully appreciated and mutual bro. No hard feelings outside of the article (or even inside in fact)you have your beliefs, I have mine. But it's good to hear from you, you do amuse me somewhat,lol. :) --Raja 22:23, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your Question

Raja,

Rajputs and Jats have some similar gotras. In fact gurjars and rajputs also have some similar gotras. They way a gotra started was usually from the name of person. For example progeny of Kumpa (a rathore) were referred to as Kumpawat. Note Kumpawat is a join of two words: Kumpa (name of the person) + Vats (a hindi word which means children) so kumpawat is literally children of kumpa. Some Gotra's do not use the word Vats they just use the name of the progenitor as in the case of Khokhra/Khichi/Hara/Deora etc. Others use the combined style as in Ranawat (Maharana Pratap's descendants)/ Kumpawat/ Sangawat etc.

Similarly in western world you will find lot of names like Johnson. These follow similar logic i.e sons of John.

Khokra are a shakha of rathore rajputs who descended from Rao Khokhra, an ancestor of present day Jodhpur/Bikaner royal houses. There are multiple possibilities how jats and gurjars have similar surnames as rajputs.

a) If you look at today's rajput villages in India, besides rajputs there are other people in the village like Teli (people who extract oil), julaha (weavers), gadariya (cow herds) and some more. Not all but some of them actually put the surname of the rajput clan of that village at the end of there name. Since Jats and rajputs lived in the same villages in rajasthan (In fact there living quarters were not close to each other. Jats mostly lived in houses close to the fields they tilled) it is possible some Jats started using the same surname as the rajputs of that village.

b) Since Jats and rajputs were in the same region they would have seen how rajput gotra's start i.e from a person so it is entirely possible they followed a similar style. Also, even today, people tend to name there children after "known persons" of history. If we take an example: Say Rao Khokhra was an important rathore ruler in medieval rajasthan. It is probable that some jats in villages where Khokra ruled could have named there children Khokra and if this child's progeny thrived they all could have used the patrynomic khokra. Shivraj Singh 05:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Motyal

Raja Can you ask your friend what part of India is he from? Shivraj Singh 09:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Raja,

In general rajput surnames do not end with 'yal'. Though there is one rajput clan "Mohyal". I am not sure if Motyal and Mohyal are same. In mountains of India there are lots of Brahmans whose surname end with yal. E.g: Nautiyal, Ghildiyal, Thapliyal etc. I did do a google search on the name motyal and I did find a couple names with this surname. If your friend can send these people an email perhaps they can answer him back if they are rajputs. I would also be curious to know the answer. Shivraj Singh 19:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Raja,

Actually in the paragraph above it should read Mohil and not Mohyal. Mohil are chauhan rajputs. Mohyal on the other hand are brahmins from Punjab.

Have not heard about rutyals either. Shivraj Singh 19:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Raja,

Not heard about rutala also. Shivraj Singh 19:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

thank you Raja; I admit I feel vindicated now that the behaviour of the users I criticized has been considered unacceptable by the arbcom too. Now, just because some editors' behaviour was really bad doesn't mean that everybody else's was impeccable. My own temper was on the point of slipping, sometimes, too, and I did apologize for that to the amount I considered suitable. And I must remind you that everybody is under the same obligation of providing precise sources for their claims, and to listen to other viewpoints with patience and good faith. The point of this exercise cannot have been to bully the Hindu viewpoint out of the debate, but to prove that the community is strong enough to deal with bullies, even if they appear to outnumber good faith editors at a particular debate. I am convinced that you are prepared to welcome to the debate and treat fairly Hindu editors even if they have viewpoints you absolutely disagree with. I do hope the air will clear up on Talk:Rajput now, and that the differring views can be documented next to each other in a spirit of collaboration rather than confrontation. regards, dab (ᛏ) 08:23, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bhola

Hello Raja.

Thanks for the kind comments.

Yes, I tried to fork the article on the Rajput page. I was 'being bold'. I still think that my idea is a good one. The article, as it is now, is communally exlusive (and loaded with chauvinistic rhetoric), and in my opinion such a communally exlusive article should have a title that expresses that the content is communally exclusive. I think that the main 'Rajput' article should be communally neutral.

Were it up to me, there would be one communally neutral article entitled 'Rajput' which would discuss Rajputs in general, and which would link to communally specific articles such as 'Hindu Rajput', 'Muslim Rajput', and 'Sikh Rajput'. It could also link to regionally specific articles like 'Rajputs of Panjab', 'Rajputs of Rajasthan', 'Rajputs of Haryana', etc.

As for my references, I listed them on Talk:Rajput. I believe that the figures I cited can be corroborated, but I would have to go to the library to refer to some very old, and very heavy volumes to get the specific statistics.

You asked if I wouldn't mind contributing some wording that I used to the Muslim Rajputs article. Which wording were you thinking of?

Bhola 22:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sockpuppets

I do not think I should take admin action on Rajput, at least not for another few months, because by filing the case I have arguably become involved in the dispute; but if you want sockpuppets banned, report them to WP:AN/I, citing the arbcom decision, and admins will ban them. regards, dab (ᛏ) 15:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jarral

if it's clear vandalism, there is WP:VIP. If it is just silly pov pushing, revert and trust in WP:3RR; otherwise, there is just WP:DR. btw, remember to put all Rajput related articles in Category:Rajputs now. regards, dab (ᛏ) 17:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Raja, Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. Andre (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Raja, tell me if there is anything wrong or insensitive in what I have written about Muslim Rajputs. The capitalization and hyphen points are totally unintended and clearly Bhola's own complex. Otherwise tell me is there something wrong? Regards, ImpuMozhi 05:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Raja, I left this message on my own talkpage just now, but I am going to archive that page (too long), so I refer you to it.

On another note, can you put together 2-3 lines refering to the community, to be included on the Rajput page, and refering readers to the Muslim Rajputs page for details. I feel that Bhola's somewhat defensive rants in the "demographics" section belong, if anywhere, then on the latter page. This issues should be resolved soon, before the socks reappear. Regards, ImpuMozhi 00:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Janjua

Hope this helps. - Jmabel | Talk 17:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i responded to your tanoli post on pashtun talkboard have a look. --Zak 13:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. Can u please tell me how to register as a wikipedia editor as u have suggested.

Thanks but....

Asalam-o-Alikum

thanks but I dont like being here anymore :|

right now i am try to concentrate on urdu wikipedia, perhaps I think you should also join us there!

Wisesabre 04:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]