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Picture

I am trying to get a picture of George Clooney's tattoo in the movie. Can anyone send me copy of the tattoo? I would really appreciate it.

Hi. I took a few screen captures from the movie. They're not the greatest but here you go... http://www.sightssounds.net/tattoo1.htm

Reception

Most film articles on Wikipedia have a section that describes how the film was received, by critics and by audiences. The only thing this article has is an implication that it did well enough to have two sequels. Any info on reception? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.151.13.191 (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FDTD spawned a sequel and a prequel, not two of either. in the reception part it cited that both sequels were poorly received with only a citation to the sequel Texas Blood Money, and no reference to the prequel (The Hangman's Daughter) i have changed the sentence to read both were poorly received, but it still lacks a citation for the prequel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.192.243 (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It should be "Till"

"From Dusk till Dawn" doesn't look right. Till should have a capital T, not lower case. From Dusk Till Dawn.

No. "Till" is slang for the preposition "until." Prepositions in titles are not capitalized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.215.121.82 (talk) 04:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Yes! The title of this movie is "From Dusk Till Dawn". All other sites list it as such. These would include: IMDb, AllRovi, Box Office Mojo, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, etc. Also check out the image for From Dusk Till Dawn. You can see that it clearly reads as "From Dusk 'Till' Dawn" knighstalker (talk) 11:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The "Pussy" Script

Note: Part of the spoilers are listed below.

As the gang head into "The Titty Twisters", there was a man constantly boasting the "pussies" (read: prostitutes) they have. Can anyone who has the full form of this script also put that into the "Trivia" section, please? --Blackhawk charlie2003 12:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Synopsis

I don't have time at the moment to clean up the page, but someone needs to clean up that plot synospsis, cause it needs paragraphing and paraphrasing to all hell. If anyone can do that...well, fantastic.


Hey, I paragraphed the synposis I wrote but I really have no clue what paraphrasing is. Raven6247 17:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't it better before? No offense Raven, but you probably don't need to detail every scene in the movie. AaronCBurke 19:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

references to evil dead

i've seen evil dead at least ten times, what's this about From Dusk Til Dawn having references to evil dead? --AlexOvShaolin 05:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hideous plot is no more

I have removed the disgusting plot synopsis, by basically deleting about 98% of it and adding a sentence of my own.

The plot's still bad, but at least it's a huge improvement. The old plot was literally the worst thing I've ever read on Wikipedia. It explained every scene of the film, right to the end, including quotes! Terrible.

Anywho, I've not cited any references, but neither had the person who sat and typed out everything they could see in the film as they watched it. DanTheShrew (talk) 11:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why change it back?

I know my plot is crap, but why change it back to that abomination?

At least leave me a comment on this page to explain your actions. DanTheShrew (talk) 11:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A form message telling me that my improvement is an act of vandalism is not constructive ctiticism.

How could anyone (other than the author of the plot I'm trying to remove) not agree that a couple of sentences describing the film is better than the novel adaptation attempted on the page here. DanTheShrew (talk) 11:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Banned in Ireland

Do we have more information - why banned, why lifted ? Does that one line warrant being in the opening section ? -- Beardo (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article is ruined !!!

I dont have time and interest in checking all of this article but here is some problems with it:

  1. what is genre of this film at last !? Action Comedy,or Action Comedy Horror or ..... it seems there is edit war about it
  2. Where is the picture of dance and if its deleted why the description about it is still there ?!
  3. Is it vandalism !? because I cant find Quentin Tarantino nomination for Razzie Award !!!

--WikiBahal (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, seriously

Action-comedy? I've seen this film. There's very little humour in it. Tons of horrible murders, a rape, two of the -protaganists- set an innocent human on fire... Lots42 (talk) 01:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Titty Twister

Is it just me or does the rear of the Titty Twister resemble The Tower of Babel? – Lionel (talk) 10:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just you. Lots42 (talk) 03:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You, and perhaps your mom. --87.78.54.250 (talk) 12:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No need to offend other people, Mr. Anonymous. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 16:59, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

– According to MOS:CT, prepositions containing four letters or fewer should not be capitalized. This article is located at From Dusk till Dawn for that reason, and the other articles should be moved accordingly. Relisted. BDD (talk) 09:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC) 87.79.208.25 (talk) 05:43, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. I'm sure that a capitalisation guideline is helpful in the many cases where capitalisation is ambiguous; but when all sources capitalise something the same way, it's best to stick with what sources say instead of making up our own capitalisation to suit some internal norm. bobrayner (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I "morally" agree, but that's an issue we'd have to take up at WT:MOSCAPS. MOS:CT leaves no wiggle room for this. The "till" in all these titles needs to be lowercase. --87.79.133.209 (talk) 16:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's a guideline rather than policy, isn't it? I see no reason to slavishly follow a guideline in cases where it deviates from what the sources actually say. bobrayner (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't an issue of sourcing. We don't source style, we use the in-house style manual for that. The producers are using their method of style, we use ours. Simple. --Rob Sinden (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone uses the producers' style. Except us. And that's simply stupid imho. --87.79.133.209 (talk) 16:59, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Then discuss at MOS:CT and seek consensus for change. Until then we have to follow house style. --Rob Sinden (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Which is exactly why I started this request. Thank you for participating. --87.79.133.209 (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd seriously suggest you take a read of WP:POINT before trying something like this again. --Rob Sinden (talk) 20:00, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What a nonsensical remark. What does it matter who initiates this (according to you) inevitable move request? How is this move request "disruptive"? Please do tell. --213.168.117.64 (talk) 07:02, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's hardly nonsensical: "As a rule, one engaging in "POINTY" behavior is making edits which s/he does not really agree with, for the deliberate purpose of drawing opposition." --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's a wee bit more complicated than that. I really do agree that the MOS should govern all stylistic questions on Wikipedia. If that is enforced over all applicable instances, so be it. Currently, with some titles conforming to MOS:CT and others which don't, we're in this typical "wiki-limbo" of having a rule which makes some sense but not completely and which is being enforced rather randomly, with local consensus governed more by chance than by a wide-ranging informed overview of the applicable arguments. I'd very much like to help us end this limbo one way or the other: Either by enforcing WPNCCAPS/MOS:CT, or by starting a discussion about an amendment to the guidelines (WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CT are both relevant, one for article names, the other for the article body).
However, it is (evidently, I believe) not my intention to "disrupt" Wikipedia. It's not like I'm starting twenty move requests all based on this point. This is the only one so far, and like I said, I wouldn't start other ones if there's a risk of this being perceived as disruptive. I have not started this request to "draw opposition", but to gauge a potential consensus, assess arguments and bring up unmentioned points which I deem relevant and constructive to the discussion. Obviously, I'm not without fault, but my intentions are good, and I consider it a bit of a stretch to be talking about "disruption to prove a point" with regard to one move request which anyone else could have started at any point.
On the other hand, if that accusation is the level best you have to say in light of my arguments, that's fine by me. --87.78.47.225 (talk) 11:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suppost use of lowercase "till" per MOS:CT: prepositions containing four letters or fewer should not be capitalized. "Till" is a preposition of four letters, therefore should not be capitalised. --Rob Sinden (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per MOS:CAT that Rob references above, as well as WP:NCCAPS: "In general, each word in English titles of books, films, and other works takes an initial capital, except for articles ('a', 'an', 'the'), the word 'to' as part of an infinitive, prepositions and coordinating conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., 'on', 'from', 'and', 'with'), unless they begin or end a title or subtitle." It is important to state that that is not a right or wrong answer about capitalizing "Till". There are different manuals of style, and Wikipedia uses the manual of style in which "till" should be lowercase. I reviewed Google Books Search, and there are examples of both "till" and "Till". There are definitely more capitalized words than not, but the goal of Wikipedia choosing a manual of style is to be consistent across the encyclopedia. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:28, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
See this RfC. Since then, the intro to WP:MOS includes the sentence:
Style and formatting choices should be consistent within an article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia as a whole.
Truth be told, I was shocked by that RfC and with the way it was conducted (starting with the fait accompli of asking "should the phrase be removed" rather than "should the phrase be added"). But it is what it is, and anyone who now claims that stylistic consistency should be enforced across the encyclopedia is now faced with the fact that the Manual of Style itself explicitly disagrees. --87.78.47.225 (talk) 09:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To me as an editor of film articles, that passage means that it is not required to have the same layout for every film article. In other words, the layout should befit the content. One example that comes to mind is whether or not to have a "Cast" section. Depending on the size of the cast within a film, we could have a simple bulleted list, a very detailed table, or just mentions in the plot summary. This flexible approach can be applied to other topics as well, as they can be written in a whole variety of ways. After all, the very next passage to your quoted one is, "Where MOS makes provision for more than one style option, editors should not change an article from one of those options to another without a substantial reason," which fits what I said. I don't think that your quoted passage overrides ones like the one at WP:NCCAPS: "Because credibility is a primary objective in the creation of any reference work, and because Wikipedia strives to become a leading (if not the leading) reference work in its genre, formality and an adherence to conventions widely used in the genre are critically important to credibility." Items like this are niggling points that should have standardization to get the discussions largely out of the way so we can actually work on the encyclopedia. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:39, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying that we're not running the risk of making ourselves slighly more ridiculous by formatting titles in a way that differs from every single instance of that same title found outside of Wikipedia's Walled Garden? I disagree. In fact, I'd topic-ban the shortsighted, common-sense-challenged zealots who put that passage in there. But that's just me. --195.14.223.59 (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean. I looked in Google Books Search and found several instances of "From Dusk till Dawn" as opposed to "From Dusk Till Dawn". Erik (talk | contribs) 23:35, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Do these instances amount to more than a fringe position? If yes, I'm all for applying MOS:CT. If not, it goes back to my argument. --195.14.220.226 (talk) 07:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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