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- Seth Hill (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No signifigant coverage in any reliable and secondary sources. There are only sources briefly mentioning awards that Hill has been nominated for. No biographical details. Sebbog13 (talk) 01:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Meets 4C of WP:CREATIVE "won significant critical attention" as an Oscar nominee, for his notable work on Top Gun: Maverick, starring Tom Cruise. He was also nominated for a BAFTA Award for Top Gun: Maverick and a Primetime Emmy Award for his work on Stranger Things. He definitely has reliable and secondary sources on him [1]. His oscar nomination sources [2][3][4][5]. His emmy nomination sources [6]. There are biographical details where he leads Method Studios along with two other people [7][8]. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 02:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. per the information and links provided above by User:MoviesandTelevisionFan. — Maile (talk) 02:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, unless I'm mistaken an Oscar nominee attains notability. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Clickwheel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Was deleted before in 2006, still doesn't seem to meet GNG. Though I don't want this to be deleted either, I think this needs to be. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Flag of Pichincha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested draft; in fact, it was moved to mainspace without improvement, and improved minimally. A before search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I searched in both Spanish and English, and the only sources that came up were a few passing mentions in google books and government websites or self published blogs. I couldn't find any usable WP:SIGCOV. A possible WP:ATD would be a redirect/selective merge to Pichincha Province.4meter4 (talk) 00:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Antonio Muñiz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A biography of a living artist. The article seems to be entirely promotional, and the artist not notable at all. I can't find anything that constitutes significant coverage in reliable sources that would come close to WP:GNG, and nothing that approaches any of the criteria at WP:ARTIST. Of the references in the article, three don't mention Muñiz at all, and the other is a local art blog.
The article was created by Abe21lincoln (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (who has no contributions unrelated to this topic), who wrote on the help desk have created one for my partner, Antonio Muñiz, as you can see (I guess). I also manage his website (http://www.anotniomuniz-art.com) and his Facebook page. (diff)
Consequently, I think we should delete the article. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 11:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There's nothing at all here to suppose WP:GNG would be passed and sure enough, a WP:BEFORE demonstrates categorically that there's nothing more out there. So push the big red button... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:NARTIST.4meter4 (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Iosevka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article cites no secondary sources whatsoever, and a preliminary Google search confirms that there is only one news article covering this typeface, and it is in passing. /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 01:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- The search in question, for those curious: https://news.google.com/search?q=iosevka /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 01:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of monospaced typefaces per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 02:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know how I missed this policy. Thank you; I see this as a much better option. I'll leave this open to see what other editors think, though. /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 02:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of monospaced typefaces. YC comments and GitHub repos don't establish notability, but redirects are cheap. HyperAccelerated (talk) 23:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Events in the Life of Harold Washington (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Dubious notability, no images, article itself is of rather poor quality. Issues have gone uncorrected for at least 12 years, based on the top message Sandcat555 (talk) 05:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, easily meets GNG with its sources. Needs some editing, and I've done a bit (thanks Sandcat555 for bringing attention to the page), but not deletion. As for the notability, Harold Washington was one of Chicago's most beloved mayors, and the downtown Chicago Public Library is named after him in tribute and honor. It and this mural are two of Chicago's several major commemorative remembrances of Washington. The page also gives a well-written and now edited background of Washington's impact on Chicago and an interesting summary and focus on the artist, Jacob Lawrence. This one seems an easy keep, and I've tried to improve it towards that result. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Harold and his library namesake may be fantastic for all I know, but that changes nothing with this article. The majority of the page isn't about the mural at all, despite it being the title. Write a page about Washington, or merge this into something else, but keeping it as it is doesn't fix the problem. Sandcat555 (talk) 19:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is no problem (eye of the beholder?). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- You might not care about GNG, but this page does not in fact establish notability. I do believe it's also a problem to have more content and sources about a different topic than the actual subject of the article. Reywas92Talk 15:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is no problem (eye of the beholder?). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Agree completely with Randy Kryn - the article does well in explaining both the background of the subject as well as the artist's creation of the mural. — Maile (talk) 15:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete/Merge The comments above do not appropriately address notability. It's rather absurd that more of the article merely summarizes the importance of Harold Washington rather than discusses the mural itself. This is a WP:REFBOMB – The only source for information about the mural is "Jacob Lawrence and the Making of Americans", used as cite 15 and 16. With that, it fails WP:GNG, as Washington being beloved and his background being well-written are utterly irrelevant. My search for sources only found brief mentions about the library's collections. Perhaps it can be merged to Harold Washington Library where it's located. I'm also surprised the article inaccurately states Lawrence painted the mural, when it's actually a tile mosaic. Reywas92Talk 16:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ceramic tiles bit, painting on tiles is a recognized form of mosaic. I've added a city of Chicago governmental source about the mural (is that where you found it?) which includes its size, etc. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that one. And even if this is notable, this and those other artworks can be covered in the main article per WP:NOPAGE. Reywas92Talk 21:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- You worded my view far better than I did myself. Sandcat555 (talk) 19:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ceramic tiles bit, painting on tiles is a recognized form of mosaic. I've added a city of Chicago governmental source about the mural (is that where you found it?) which includes its size, etc. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A search in Google books reveals it has received coverage from multiple reliable art and architecture publications. Unfortunately most do not allow to read the extent of the coverage but it seems sufficient to tip the scales. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 22:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- In addition to those publications the mural has been referenced here (some have more in-depth coverage than others): City of Chicago, CBS News Best Murals in Chicago, Chicago Tribune before it was completed, Chicago Tribune one year later, The Chicago Public Art Guide, Chicago Reader, The New Yorker. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree that the article needs to be improved. It needs to focus more on the mural than on the background. Content from some of the sources availible should be included in the article, but that is not a valid reason for deletion since notability can be established by the fact that there are multiple reliable sources with non trivial coverage independent of the subject (even if some of them can not be accessed online). Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Of these links, 1 and 5 are identical but in different formats, 2 has less of the same info with nothing new, and 3, 4, 6, and 7 are briefest passing mentions with nothing useful to be used as a source. I'd be happy to accept offline sources but can you please indicate which appear to provide significant coverage? The results I see appear to be passing mentions. Reywas92Talk 23:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- GNG seems to have been achieved here in the accumulated sources. This is the mural depicting Washington in the main downtown Chicago Public Library named for him, probably the definitive artwork in Chicago of its popular mayor. Adequate sources are either on the page or exist, which is all that is asked for keeping such a page (especially for an artwork article). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Of these links, 1 and 5 are identical but in different formats, 2 has less of the same info with nothing new, and 3, 4, 6, and 7 are briefest passing mentions with nothing useful to be used as a source. I'd be happy to accept offline sources but can you please indicate which appear to provide significant coverage? The results I see appear to be passing mentions. Reywas92Talk 23:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nerdy Prudes Must Die (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A search for sources shows no sources from reliable sources; all sources are from blogs or college newspapers, neither of which are reliable. All development information is primary and thus does not indicate notability of the subject. The only third party source that shows notability is the Billboard sales performance, but this is a single source and only covering sales figures. This subject lacks SIGCOV and doesn't meet the GNG, and is better off redirected or merged as an AtD to Starkid Productions, the parent company which produced this musical. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. While this is not about the cast album but the show itself (whose cast recorded the show), the cast album did make the Billboard national chart making it pass criteria 2 of WP:NALBUM. I also found this additional review [9] Ultimately, the spirit of the WP:NALBUM SNG should apply here. This show charted so we should keep the article.4meter4 (talk) 00:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 The review hails from a student-published newspaper, so that one is also unreliable. From a glance at their about page, they don't seem to have a high journalistic standard (Anyone can apply and write for them) so I'm not sure if it's usable at all.
- Still, my concern is that the album itself is what's notable here, not the show it's attached to. The show received no coverage, with only the album doing so. Notability for the show is not Wikipedia:INHERITED from the album either: "notability is not inherited "up", from notable subordinate to parent."
- If we were to consider the album separate from the show, and make an article solely about the album, that still wouldn't fly: "a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" and "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting." Given all that exists for coverage on the album is the Billboard source, there isn't really enough to build a reasonably detailed article beyond a track listing and a line saying that the album ranked #1. No matter what outcome is taken, this subject doesn't have the sourcing to meet independent notability. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Uh no. WP:NALBUM is clear that we keep all albums that place on a national chart regardless of the sourcing. That is the WP:SNG guideline. Period. University newspapers are often used on wikipedia, and are generally considered reliable. They are structured just like newspapers not attached to universities (editorial staff; both student and faculty), have the same legal recognitions under the law as professional journalists, and in this case, are over seen by a nationally recognized school of journalism. There's no reason to question the reliability of the newspaper at Boston University; particularly when its a review of theatre work. Regardless, repurposing this about the album is possible, but maybe not what best serves the encyclopedia. The content would be nearly identical and I don't see the value in differentiating between the two here as cast albums are simply audio recordings of a staged musical. 4meter4 (talk) 04:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 I'm a bit confused since I was primarily citing music notability policies with my above argument, barring the usage of INHERITED. "...a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" hails from Wikipedia:NRECORDING, and "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting" is from NALBUM.
- While NRECORDING states that albums charting is an indicator of notability, there's nothing in these notability guidelines that state it's an instant keep. Even ignoring that, my previous argument about an album split-out still stands. There's not enough coverage of the album to be non-stubby and not just a track listing, and the musical itself doesn't inherit notability from the album that charted per INHERITED, as, inherently, the album is a separate subject from the original musical.
- It's something akin to (and forgive the oddly specific example, this is the first thing I have off the top of my head) Detective Pikachu (film) and Detective Pikachu (soundtrack), where the soundtrack has individual coverage of its own development, reception, etc; it logically wouldn't include content from the film Detective Pikachu (Such as the film's plot and development) since these two subjects have inherently different coverage and subject matter, and those items from the parent subject would not be relevant to the spin-out and vice versa.
- This is entirely an aside here, but is there a specific policy for college newspapers? Last I checked they were generally unreliable since they're typically student-run and edited (Meaning literally anyone can write for them and no one with proper journalistic experience if fact checking.) Perhaps it's different if the editors are entirely faculty with journalistic experience in the field, but given we can't tell what's been edited by a student or faculty member unless they outright say it for some reason, I'm not sure how reliable that would be in the long term. This isn't really me arguing against it and more just me stating my gripes; if this is clarified somewhere else please let me know because I genuinely am not familiar with that policy if it exists. I'm mostly just basing this off how we usually determine reliable sources. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Most university newspapers have an overseeing faculty advisor/editor who works as a part of the editorial team of the paper. That faculty member is always part of the journalism faculty if a school has a journalism school. Sometimes there is more than one faculty advisor, and generally the paper doesn't get published without their approval of each issue. I think you'll find though that universities with respected papers like The Harvard Crimson, The Tufts Daily, The Cornell Daily Sun, etc. are routinely cited across the encyclopedia by just checking the "what links here" section of those articles. You'll see there are tons of articles that wikilink to those pages because they are used as sources on a routine basis. It would be a tough sell to the reliable sources noticeboard to consider a university paper not reliable when it follows the same protocols editorially as a professional newspaper.4meter4 (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 as a general question: How can it be guaranteed that they receive editorial oversight from a faculty member? I know some papers often have their digital content overseen by dedicated student editors rather than faculty outright. This is obviously on a case-by-case basis, but in cases like these, how would it be determined if site content is usable? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 06:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to pursue that further, I suggest asking at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and see what they have to say. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 as a general question: How can it be guaranteed that they receive editorial oversight from a faculty member? I know some papers often have their digital content overseen by dedicated student editors rather than faculty outright. This is obviously on a case-by-case basis, but in cases like these, how would it be determined if site content is usable? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 06:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Most university newspapers have an overseeing faculty advisor/editor who works as a part of the editorial team of the paper. That faculty member is always part of the journalism faculty if a school has a journalism school. Sometimes there is more than one faculty advisor, and generally the paper doesn't get published without their approval of each issue. I think you'll find though that universities with respected papers like The Harvard Crimson, The Tufts Daily, The Cornell Daily Sun, etc. are routinely cited across the encyclopedia by just checking the "what links here" section of those articles. You'll see there are tons of articles that wikilink to those pages because they are used as sources on a routine basis. It would be a tough sell to the reliable sources noticeboard to consider a university paper not reliable when it follows the same protocols editorially as a professional newspaper.4meter4 (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Uh no. WP:NALBUM is clear that we keep all albums that place on a national chart regardless of the sourcing. That is the WP:SNG guideline. Period. University newspapers are often used on wikipedia, and are generally considered reliable. They are structured just like newspapers not attached to universities (editorial staff; both student and faculty), have the same legal recognitions under the law as professional journalists, and in this case, are over seen by a nationally recognized school of journalism. There's no reason to question the reliability of the newspaper at Boston University; particularly when its a review of theatre work. Regardless, repurposing this about the album is possible, but maybe not what best serves the encyclopedia. The content would be nearly identical and I don't see the value in differentiating between the two here as cast albums are simply audio recordings of a staged musical. 4meter4 (talk) 04:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
CommentWeak keep I must agree with 4m4 that the high Billboard ranking gives me pause. Doing my usual source check... Oh hey! Hayley Louise Charlesworth (February 9, 2022). "Nightmare Time and a Case Study for Digital Theatre During the COVID-19 Pandemic". Networking Knowledge: Journal of the MeCCSA Postgraduate Network (Abstract). 15 (1). Manchester Metropolitan University. Retrieved November 18, 2024.- @Darkfrog24: Do you have another link? That one isn't working, and it would be easier for others if it could be accessed here rather than through Google. I did look this up separately to check, but all that's in this journal are brief mentions that this musical got delayed due to COVID. The paper is primarily focusing on Nightmare Time, an unrelated production by StarKid, so I wouldn't really consider this source SIGCOV given Nerdy Prudes' mention here is primarily a TRIVIALMENTION in the context of Nightmare Time. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch. I have fixed the link in the article. Here is a link to the article itself: [10]. Here is a link to the Google Scholar search: [11]. As always, I'll defer to people who have read the full text. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24 I did read the text, and I've mentioned my findings above. Do you have thoughts on this? I'm not sure trivial mentions in a paper about another series entirely really counts as SIGCOV. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- OCEAN Design Research Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 01:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Contested draft. Poorly sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turns up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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After doing WP:BEFORE, I cannot find any evidence of WP:SIGCOV or notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 14:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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An orphan article. An unremarkable career that does not meet WP:ARCHITECT. Source 1 is merely a registration database, sources 3 and 5 are primary. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. Not seeing a notification of the creator, MurielMary, who might be able to explain why they believed notability requirements were met. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Passes criteria 4c of WP:CREATIVE and WP:SIGCOV per the source by Cox and Women in New Zealand Architecture: A Literature Review in Society of Architectural Historians, Australia and New Zealand. This latter journal highlights that Jones was specifically featured in prominent exhibitions in New Zealand women architects and was featured prominently in the November-December 1993 issue of Architecture New Zealand magazine.4meter4 (talk) 05:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep meets criteria 1 of the architect notability criteria: the person is regarded as an important figure, as evidenced by inclusion in Cox's work. MurielMary (talk) 08:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Whilst Elizabeth Cox's source goes to GNG the source on it's own isn't enough to establish notability as the rest of the sources are non-independent or non-RS. There doesn't even seem to be mention of anything she's designed, which suggests she isn't notable too. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- To add: if there is sigcov of her work that'd go towards coverage of her and might sway my vote depending on how much and how in depth it is. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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