Talk:Cry Me a River (Justin Timberlake song)

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Michael Jackson

Apparently, Justin Timberlake wrote this song for Michael Jackson.[1] anemoneprojectors talk 23:02, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brunette in video

A number of sites state the role was played by Kiana Bessa can anyone confim this?Hey you random (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Leona Lewis covered the song on her Labyrinth tour

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/review-world-class-leona-lewis-at-sheffield-arena-1-855550 Aaron • ^{You Da One} 13:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Calvin :D ! — Tomica (talk) 14:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Release history (another reference)

http://www.musicstack.com/album/justin+timberlake/cry+me+a+river Hlm Z. (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note : IMO, this table is more realistic. Hlm Z. (talk) 13:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Un-reliable source on Wikipedia. And how you mean more realistic? The table that I have created has better access. — Tomica (talk) 13:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Access? I'm not talking about that. The single was released first time on 11 November 2002, not 24 November. If the dates can be similar between interwiki, it would be nice. Hlm Z. (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed due to lack of response. Hlm Z. (talk) 12:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Rp0211 (talk · contribs) 17:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
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It is factually accurate and verifiable.
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It is broad in its coverage.
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It is stable.
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Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Infobox

Put Justin Timberlake's full name in the "Writers" section of the infobox

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Timberlake's inspiration to write the song was the failed relationship he had with American singer Britney Spears. → Make this prose more clear

Done/Re-worded — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...in the United States on November 24, 2002, as second single from the album. → Put "the" between "as" and "second"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Cry Me a River" is a pop and R&B ballad, with an instrumentation consisted of clavinet... → Replace "consisted" with "that consists"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrically, the single is about a brokenhearted man who refuses to look back. → Specify what he refuses to look back at

Quoted from a source + added the reference. — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

...who allegedly portrays Spears and plotting his revenge with a help of Timbaland and new lover. → Remove the first "and"; Replace "a" with "the"; Add "a" between "and" and "new"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Following its release, media speculated that... → Add "the" before "media"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Timberlake performed "Cry Me a River" on his three major tours, Justified and Lovin' It Live (2003—04), his joint effort with Christina Aguilera, Justified/Stripped Tour (2003) and on FutureSex/LoveShow (2007). → This mentions four different performances and not three, like stated earlier

Justified and Lovin' It Live is one tour. — Tomica (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Writing, release and response

Find another source to cite the information where Reference 2 is since it no longer works

I did. The notes from the booklet, it was already there actually. — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Following their split, Timberlake started the production of his debut studio album, Justified... → No reference to support this information

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...which was released in November 2002. → Specify exact date of release; Replace "in" with "on"

I don't think is needed. We are not talking in details about the album, just specific month and a year. — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

...while explaining the recording of "Cry Me a River" → Add a comma at the end of that phrase

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...with Timberlake in the studio because there "was a meaning behind it [the song]" → Remove "it" if you are using brackets to say "the song"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Cry Me a River" was released as second single from Justified, only after Timberlake's debut single "Like I Love You" (2002). → Add "the" between "as" and "second"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On December 23, 2002, three remixes of the song were released on 12-inch single in Canada and France. → Add "a" between "on" and "12-inch single"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On January 5, 2003, it was also released to urban contemporary radio stations in the United States.[10] → Reference 10 does not show that it was released to "urban contemporary radio stations"

Addded it. — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

...containing the album version of the song and the remixes previously included on the 12-inch.[13] → Add "single" to the end of the sentence to clarify statement

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A CD single consisted of Johny Fiasco remix of the song and two additional remixes of "Like I Love You"... → Add "that" between "single" and "consisted"; Add "the" between "of" and "Johny Fiasco"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Cry Me a River" was released on a CD single in the United States on February 18, 2003. → Replace the first "on" with "as"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It featured the album version of the song, its instrumental and four remixes.[16] → Wiki-link "instrumental" to make it more clear to all readers

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

According to WP:SAMPLE, the song sample must be less than 10% of the song (28.8 seconds), and it is currently 30 seconds

Now its reduced to 27 seconds. — Tomica (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

"Cry Me a River" is a pop and R&B ballad with a length of 4 minutes and 48 seconds.[21] → Source does not verify all of the information stated

Sourced and fixed. — Tomica (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Its composition consists of clavinet, beatobox, guitars, synthesizers, Arabian inspired riffs and "Gregorian chants".[1][3][21][22] → References 1, 21, and 23 do not mention anything about its composition of instruments

Yeah there is. Changed to real source now. — Tomica (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

According to Alex Needham of NME, Timberlake manages to mix the instrumentation "into something infinitely graceful and mysterious".[1] → None of this information is found in the listed source

Right source now. — Tomica (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Single's chorus contains the lines: "Told me you loved me... → Adjust the beginning of the sentence to make it flow better

In several places you are saying "to flow" better, but you are not giving me any clue how to do that. I want some feedback. — Tomica (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When I said that, I was referring to changing the prose so that it could be read easier. I misread it in this instance though. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

...2007 single "What Goes Around... Comes Around" (FutureSex/LoveSounds, 2006) → Album of this single is not necessary in this instance

Removed. — Tomica (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Reception and accolades

No issues

Chart performance

As of August, 2003, the single's remixes has sold over 61,000 units in the US.[55] → Remove comma after "August"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The song stayed at the position for one week and failed to number six the next week. → Replace "failed" with "fell"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Elsewhere in Europe the song attained top-fifteen positions in over the countries, including France, Germany and Italy. → Use different phrasing in beginning of sentence

Same. I need some clue, some idea how to flow better.

I went ahead and fixed it for you. I was referring to making the beginning of the sentence start differently so the prose could be read easier. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

...reached its peak of six and stayed on the singles chart for 21 week.[62] → Make "week" plural

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...where it peaked at number 14 and stayed on the chart for four week.[63] → Make "week" plural

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Cry Me a River" also peaked at number five in Belgium (Wallonia),[64] at number six in the Republic of Ireland[65] and Netherlands,[66] at number seven in Belgium (Flanders)[67] and at number 10 in Germany,[68] Norway[69] and Sweden.[70] → Change the flow of the sentence and the references

Idea please. — Tomica (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I misinterpreted this sentence at first because of the layout of the references, but I see how it the prose flows though. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Music video

No issues

Live performances and covers

Timberlake performed "Cry Me a River" for first time at the 13th annual Billboard Music Awardss... → Get rid of extra "s"

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On October 23, 2010 Timberlake performed on the annual charity... → Put comma after date

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...before launching into Drake's "Over" (Thank Me Later). → Drake's album is not necessary in this context

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing and formats

No issues

Credits and personnel

No issues

Charts and certifications

No issues

Release history

Combine columns with each other in the "Labels" section when necessary

Sorry, but that's a personal preference. And this way the table has better access than it would have in that way. — Tomica (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

References

Reference 2 → Does not work and comes up with the message "404 - File or directory not found."

If you are referring to BBC one it works perfectly. — Tomica (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Reference 4 → Please specify what page number information is found on

Changed it. — Tomica (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Reference 8 → The Huffington Post should be wiki-linked and italicized

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 21 → Put external link to source

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 48 → Specify what page number the information is found on

It already is ... 55 — Tomica (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Rp0211 ^(talk2me)

Reference 78 → Put external link to source

Done — Tomica (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After thoroughly reviewing this article, I have decided to put the article on hold. There are numerous prose issues and citation issues (among other things) that are keeping this article from reaching good article status. I will give you the general seven days to fix these issues and/or discuss any items that you do not agree with or that you think could have an alternative solution. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 22:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that all of the issues have been addressed, so I feel comfortable passing this article. Congratulations and keep up the good work! Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 02:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Ok, I just finished my copyedit of the article. It looks like it's in pretty good shape. A few thoughts occurred to me while I was editing it that I would probably bring up in a review. So I figured I'd post them here:

You should double check for consistency with the serial comma.

Does this mean I should apply the comma everywhere? Because tbh, I am not much familiar with the serial comma. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"such as Timberlake's portrayal of a voyeur and the tone of some scenes he was portraying with a girl." Is there a good way around the "portrayal ... portraying" repetition here?

Maybe (although I am not sure) ... "such as Timberlake's representation of a voyeur and the tone of some scenes he was portraying with a girl." ? — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Make sure you have inline citations after every sentence with a direct quotation in it.

Check once, will check twice too. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Lyrically, the song is a "haunting tale of a man whose heart has been broken but he refuses to look back."[26]" I'd mention in-text who said this.
"Spears recorded an answer song titled "Everytime" for her 2003 studio album In the Zone." I'd suggest moving this to later in the lead.

Which paragraph, second or third? — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably the third. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure rock music needs to be wikilinked at all, certainly not twice.

Done. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"the formation of the Timberlake-Timbaland team" I'm not sure if this should be a hyphen or an endash.

Me neither tbh. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think we use endashes in place of "to" and "and", so yes, endash. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 19:10, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Penguin ;) ! — Tomíca^(T2ME) 21:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Justin Bieber recorded a cover of the song together with Kanye West's 2007 single "Stronger"" I'm not sure what you mean by "together with" here?

He recorded covers for the both songs. :) — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so you might be able to remove the stuff about the Kanye song then? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if Silveira's explanation merits inclusion in the article.

Removed. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Timberlake performed "Cry Me a River" as the opening song in a promotional concert held at House of Blues in West Hollywood, California on June 17, 2003." This feels a bit trivial to me.

I c/e it. 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

"... being a peeping Tom, getting revenge and doing stuff that's not really what a nice guy does."" This illustrates nicely why you shouldn't link within quotations -- the film is totally unrelated to what he's saying in the quote. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:16, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, fixes and explanations look good to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]