Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal)

GDP info

This article gives the amount for each country's GDP in "millions" of dollars. I can't help but think since we are talking about nations, this should be in "billions" of dollars, if not "trillions" Is the United States' annual GDP really just 15 million? I mean, really? And some nations on the bottom of the list are in the thousands of dollars; really? Doesn't seem right. -Also, associations like European Union or Arab League should be removed from the list and simply inserted at the bottom after the final country on the list. European Union and the Arab League are not countries and therefore should not be inserted into the list as though they are. The Arab League doesn;t even have a currency, and although E.U. does, it is not a nation, as the individual nations of the E.U. are ALSO on the list. If this is the case, why in the world is NATO not on the list? Wouldn't that be the same thing? It's not a nation either like E.U. or Arab League, it doesn't have a currency like the Arab League. But let me guess, because the United States is in that organization an we know how anti-American sentiment tends to run, even among Americans themselves sometimes. That's the only reason that seems to make sense that NATO, or even ASEAN, isn't on the list by E.U. and the Arab League are. The truth is, none of them should be on the list; they are not countries. There should be a separate chart after the first chart, and it can show the list of these organizations based on their GDP. -Really, how can the E.U. and Arab League be added, but NATO and ASEAN left out?

Agreed. EU does not belong in a list of countries. Instead, a list of economic confederations by GDP needs to be created. I removed it. Mopenstein (talk) 02:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

But Eurozone should be in the lists! They use a single currency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.103.205.27 (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Not all the countries in the EU use the Euro (for instance Sweden or the UK) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.70.18.221 (talk) 13:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The difference between EU and the others is that EU is a new kind POLITICAL BEING similar to a nation (Constitution,political system,economic system,military system and so on) and the others are just only economic or military or whatelse beings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.40.120.60 (talk) 09:07, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

United Nations list

Why is it even there? For reference purposes its useless, its outdated and its squashed into the page.Obscure Reality ^{Ping me} 11:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Can we please remove this extra table? Yes, it's outdated, but it's also pushing the other tables off the page in resolutions smaller than 1152px. If it must be kept, it needs to be moved onto a lower line and not stacked against the others... Nightw 09:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

So, the item was put back without comment here. What's the argument for keeping this table? Anyway, as I said above, it needs to be moved to another line per WP:ACCESS. Nightw 09:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Numbers and projections invented by developing countries (BRIC above all).

Many gdps of many countries in the all 4 lists are widely "false" because they are calculated using different methods.The international institutions like IMF,WB and UN should specify that these methods are totally different presenting these lists.The method to calculate a gdp in the Popular Republic of China is totally different from EU for istance,so we are comparing in the list numbers given by different methods.Today there's a method fixed in early 2000's that tries to uniform things even though it is absolutely ridiculous and not sufficient according to many academics and people of finance.The use of developing countries of creative finance in fixing gdp is too wide to be covered by this method.Try to phone to these institutions about it.They won't deny it.Generally developing countries have easier ways to calculate gdps and generally they boost them to attract investments.Projections in the long term of many banks are just a propaganda.We can see wide differences with their projections.Propaganda is for emerging funds of these banks or financial societies linked to them.Developing countries developed in the last decade helped by money that arrived from investors of EU and Usa, otherwise they would have been like 20 years ago.If western investors call back their money from BRIC these last ones collapse in few days.151.40.120.60 (talk) 09:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Russian GDP reached 2 trillion dollars

-Russias GDP reached 2 trillion dollars. 1 U.S. dollar are 30.1923251 Russian rubles exchangerate using Google at February 8, 2013 for 62.3569 trillion rubles total GDP.--Noelmantra (talk) 15:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC) http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.rian.ru%2Fbusiness%2F20130131%2F265432914.html&act=url

IMF forecast of october is right,it just changes a little in the final result.Russia is below Italy and upon India. According to IMF results russian data should be a little bit weaker than forecasted because of slow in the last 3 months of the year.In the last 3 months of 2012 the average of russian Ruble vs € was weaker,so it will low a little bit more russian gdp compared to italian one.The italian gdp should be a little bit lower too,in fact final 3 months according to Istat were a little worst than expected.According to EU secret services and BP Plc russian output of oil should end around 2032 (Arctic oil included),so the slowing of russian economy will start before.Even world energy will change with the heavy reduction of the use of oil products.About 2050 don't worry there are banks that forecast that italian economy will be larger than the russian one like HSBC.Thinking about 2050 is inventing and not forecasting economy.According to to PWC in 2050 an italian (even Russia would grow 4% by year) will be at least twice richer than a russian. Today an italian is 18.5 times richer than a russian according to central banks datas and Credit Suisse Wealth Report 2012 (September) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.40.20.128 (talk) 18:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Table update frequency

Other than cosmetic changes, is there ever a valid reason to change raw data and/or ranks until a source releases their updates?  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  15:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Top 20 Countries using all kind of Data

This List has the porpoise to compare all Data on the same list by using the highest numbers for each country of the same year, 2012. It uses all kind of sources and its allowed to count countries together like Chinas special administrative regions to have a comparison.

Rank	Country/Region	GDP (billions of $US)
	World	71,277.366
9999999	European Union	16,414.483
1	United States	15,653.366
2	China	9,010.678n13
3	Japan	5,984.390
4	Germany	3,366.651
5	France	2,580.423
6	United Kingdom	2,433.779
7	Brazil	2,425.052
8	Russia	2,065.323
9	Italy	1,980.448
10	India	1,946.765
11	Canada	1,770.084
12	Australia	1,542.055
13	Spain	1,340.266
14	Mexico	1,163.000
15	South Korea	1,151.271
16	Indonesia	894.900
17	Turkey	783.064
18	Netherlands	770.224
19	Saudi Arabia	657.049
20	Switzerland	622.900

There should be a list using all sources together, because you cant just base your source on imf and wordbank, they need way to long and are often wrong and outdated, imfs prognosis are also just assumption soon in april we gonna see how the data will look like. Many governmental statistics are faster and more accurate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_by_population

Just like it is by the list of population which doesnt rely on Un or cia but on governments statics all counted together in one list there should be a list there as well.--Noelmantra (talk) 17:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, this article is not a list about the top 20 countries in the first place. BTW, the word is "purpose" and not "porpoise". A porpoise is a dolphin like mammal.   little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  17:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

-yeah great bash be with racism because english is not my first language. I never said it should be primarily top 20, all i just say there should be a list which combines all kind data together too.--Noelmantra (talk) 17:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, you did propose the top 20 list, so I don't know how I could read anything else into your suggestion. And my pointing out "porpoise" to you was not racist. It was meant to help you avoid making this same error for a third time. Remember the "en" is for English, so we expect editors to have a basic competency in English. Not that your use of the language is all that bad, but like everyone (myself included) it doesn't hurt to improve.   little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  18:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Russian data is totally wrong .It considers inside inflaction.This is a very "selfmade" list.Forget nationalism in economy.Above all from developing countries there's too much fantaeconomy.The right datas are by IMF.The final ones are just little changed from forecasts of October 2012.The rest are opininions.Be patient and next weeks IMF will give final true datas that are very close to the estimate ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.40.102.150 (talk) 18:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

-russians know best how big their economy is, if rosstat says its 2 trillion then it is. IMF makes constantly huge error for example, they said indias economy is just 1.6 trillion or something in 2011 it was constantly changed until it is now 1.8 in 2011.--Noelmantra (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

First of all Rosstat datas must be accepted by IMF as true and and have some adjusments like for all countries.Then IMF will use the right exchange rates to express GDPs in $.I saw you used 1$=30.2 Rubles that is without doubt wrong( Rosstat data is 62.357 trillions rubles).Considering inflaction Italy would be 8th,Russia 9th and India 10th.All the 3 states would be above 2 trillions.Anyway the most important data are Real GDPs (reported by IMF list) and not nominal GDPs .We'll see IMF numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.40.50.117 (talk) 07:16, 18 February 2013 (UTC)