Talk:Near-death experience

Statement that needs a reputable source

The Effects section contains the statement, The left temporo-parietal junction is involved in the feeling of a sinister figure's presence behind us who copied our actions. No source is given for that claim, and it really needs one. Looie496 (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Look up ... FiachraByrne (talk) 17:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Having said that the Nature article refers to a single patient. Has this been replicated anywhere? FiachraByrne (talk) 17:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I rewrote this statement after having read the original article of the researchers. However, I still think this sentence should be removed from the article. It has happened to ONE patient, this experiment is done in 2006, it is only cited in three other articles, so it is not at all accepted knowledge. The result, the illusion of a person close to the patient, is very m much primary-source data. Furthermore, what is the connection of this illusion and near death experiences? The author of the article does not say anything about near death, so having this sentence here, is original research. Please, comment! Lova Falk talk 06:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I've read the the original brief report [1] and the news version [2] and there is no mention of NDE. It is discussed in relation to schizophrenic symptoms relating to embodiment. Therefore, as it stands the sentence is WP:SYNTH and should be removed. FiachraByrne (talk) 10:46, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Blanke has published material linking NDEs, the TPJ, sensed presences and those researchers' work here [3] so I'm not so sure about OR / SYNTH. I suspect Michael Persinger of God helmet fame could provide a degree of corroborative sourcing. He's very into stimulation of the cortex to produce subjective perception of presences. K2709 (talk) 20:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's a sythesis if the sentence is based on a primary source that doesn't talk about presences in relation to NDEs. The source you quote above is excellent, however, and I'd fully support the addition of content that summarised its conclusions. FiachraByrne (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Shared Death Experiences

I had entered the following section to the article that was deleted by SkepticalRaptor on the grounds that it was an "unsupported statement." I did give a book reference at the end of the section (please see below.) How might I better support this section such that it would remain in the article? Thanks! Original section below:

A phenomenon that appears to be closely related to the NDE is the Shared Death Experience (SDE) as coined by Raymond Moody. In these experiences, bystanders who are close to a dying person experience many of the same aspects of the NDE along with the dying person, including leaving their bodies, meeting beings of light, and seeing the life review of the dying person. These bystanders are themselves healthy and not dying yet seem to share these experiences. This seems to disprove the common theory that NDE-type experiences are caused by the dying brain. Raymond Moody's book Glimpses of Eternity discusses his research on this topic.

topher67 (talk) 00:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

External references

Here are three reasonable external references I have been able to find:

• Shared Near-Death and Related Illness Experiences (2001) link
• A Search for the Truth of Near Death Experiences (2011)link
• Near-Death-Like Experiences without Life-Threatening Conditions or Brain Disorders. (2012) link

topher67 (talk) 00:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

That last ones seems good - let us see how the participants in the practice and journal publishing realm react to it. Smkolins (talk) 16:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Could we add that reference to the article? Topher67 (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

With Google search ["Immortality project" Pfeiffer] you can find on Pfeiffers blog a comment with a free read, where all NDE-phenomenons are described by a single explanation model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.249.235.108 (talk) 07:07, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Eben Alexander, M.D.

Eben Alexander, M.D., is not a proper biographical article. Can anyone here help with that--Pawyilee (talk) 07:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)?

[4] Kittybrewster ☎ 20:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Ketamine and Near-death experience ?

It is said that all features of a Near-death experience can be induced by Ketamine, as cited in this site: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

How do you think about the theorem that Near-death experience like experiences can be induced by Ketamine and thus Near-death experiences may also be hallucinogens, should we make a reference to such a theorem?--EPN-001GF IZEN བཀྲ་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས། 23:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

To include this, we will need coverage in reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I know a man who had an accident where only his car was touched by another car. He was not hurt but had a NDE with a life-review. There are a lot of similar NDEs where health is not disturbed. Therefore the ketamine-theory might be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.249.255.219 (talk) 15:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Your acquaintance's personal experience and your interpretation of the Ketamine theory in light of that story are original research. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

‎Intrasomatic Model

The Intrasomatic model Theory which has been added is a non notable fringe theory, it apparently appears in one paranormal book, but searching for "Intrasomatic model" reveals no hits at all, this may well be original research. I originally deleted it, but reverted for a consensus. Please offer any opinions. Fodor Fan (talk) 05:29, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree. --Smkolins (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

A couple of new sources

Just found these recent papers here and here that could be added to the article, any thoughts? Fodor Fan (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Need more time to review but on the face of it yes - just a matter of intelligently integrating them.... Smkolins (talk) 11:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Neuropsychiatrist Dr. Peter Fenwick

Dr. Fenwick is a respected MD and a well-known researcher in the NDE and ELE fields. Could his findings be incorporated into this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.160.36 (talk) 03:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Just need reliable references - on topic, scholarly vs self-published, etc. Smkolins (talk) 11:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)