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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 94.196.68.145 (talk) at 22:46, 2 March 2013 (→Crown of Burgundy: None, it was a Duchy). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Surtscina, please take a look at the edits I made to this article: new opening sentence, subsection headers for the main portion, and a few minor stylistic changes; if you don't like any or all of them, please feel free to revert them, as I have no wish to "hijack" your article! I will now proceed to reduce the length of the Holy Roman coronation section in the main Coronation article, as you suggested. - Ecjmartin (talk) 01:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need to revert anything; you've improved the article a lot! Anyway, this is not my article, so feel free to change whatever needs to be changed! Surtsicna (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Crown of Burgundy

Is there a separate crown for Burgundy ? Burgundy is the 3rd component kingdom of HRE, it ceased to be a separate kingdom at the end of 14e century.

Siyac 02:15, 30 January 2013 (UTC)7[reply]

Burgundy was a Duchy of the Empire, so no. Victorian revisionism created an overemphasised understanding of the chivalric basis of feudalism, in practice the communications difficulties caused by the Ardennes-Vosges chain meant it had a stronger relationship with France, who eventually absorbed most of it in the 1440s (not the 14th Century), thanks to the latter's dominance as a risng military power following its adoption of artillery, the first Western European Nation to do so. In consequence, it was highly autonomous. In some areas, moreover, episcopal dioceses straddled the border - Cambrai being a case in point.

Location

The use of Aix-la-Chapelle was only justified by the now-resolved French claims to the borderlands: the correct modern usage is its German name Aachen, which also recognises the fundamentally German nature of the Holy Roman Empire - indeed, although it also held the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (approximately the southern half of modern Italy), the Iberian Peninsula and the Lowlands (under Charles V - I use the Renaissance English term to indicate it included Flanders and the residual elements of Burgundy not absorbed by France after the rapprochement of the 1440s), the last objective French claim, that of the Carolingean Empire, was liquidated by the dissolution of the Empire between Charlemagne's grandchildren.

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