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Worst allied war crime

It was British made famine of Bengal in 1942 in India,no mention of it??Why?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.227.214.8 (talk) 04:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The last great civilian bombing by Allies

There should be mention and a link specifically to Wurzberg given the circumstances of that decision to proceed as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_W%C3%BCrzburg_in_World_War_II Bombing of Wurzburg in World War II.


There are numerous written accounts of Canadian forces "taking no prisoners" after the Normandy beach landings. Several years later there were a number of incidents during the police action in Korea which were by forces under commanders who had seen WWII service and were aware of the "practicalities". Some those solders were still active in Canadian forces as late as 1968 (PPCLI and other.)

See Robert Graves on the Canadians in WW I and his own forces practices in finishing off German wounded in no-man's land ( the 'cosh ).

G. Robert Shiplett 23:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

It's been 35 years since I looked it over – the guys at school were passing it around at lunch because it was so cool – but I believe it is a book called Caen: Anvil of Victory that describes our war crimes.
There's the Canadian-SS vendetta. There's tossing Germans under the tracks of our tanks.
And there's my favourite: Germans attack some francophones while they're eating. Our guys win the skirmish but they're still ticked off about having their meal interrupted, so they slit the throats of the wounded Jerries.
Seems a bit barbaric now, but back in the '70s, it was givin' 'em what they had comin'. Varlaam (talk) 05:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Europe--Canada

I don't think Canada is a part of Europe. B-) (talk) 21:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the there is a slight pro-allied forces bias in this article

I agree, I think we should re-account history. Germany and the Axis did indeed perform their share of the atrocities, but in every section when talking about an Allied war crime it'll say "but Germany did the same". On an article of Axis war crimes I don't think you'd be typing the same thing now, would ya'? But I would like to say, that the Allies used Civilian population to their advantage, and bombed German cities in the night, while Germany bombed military targets during the day. Now you'll probably going to say, "Oh what about the Bombing of Guernica!?", well ya that was a raid against civilian population, however it was ordered by Hermann Göring and because of it he was demoted from his position in the Reichstag. I'm not trying to take a pro-Axis stance on this matter but it is history and you can't deny such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.50.171.199 (talk) 04:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Germans bombed various cities by day and night throughout the war. Nick-D (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and no, the Germans bombed cities, of course, no denying that, but it was during the day, maybe when their was a huge battle going on, such as Stalingrad, but even then their targets were not aimed for civilian population as much as military.
Incorrect. Major British cities were raided during the day and night, although i am under the impression the raids - for the most part - targeted miltiary related targets such as docks, factories etc, although - i would assume due to inaccurate bombing - targets well outside the city where hit that are void of anything military related.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If your referring to cross fire then yes I'm sure there was. Yes that's what I've been saying the Germans raided cities, British and Russian alike, but they targeted Military and not civilian, even when Hitler invaded Poland the Germans were only aiming for soldiers. Churchill bombed numerous cities throughout the war but unlike Hitler he bombed civilian population. Remember Dresden? Or even the Cap Arcona? And even far before 1944 the British were bombing German cities. — Preceding

unsigned comment added by Albert Cole (talk • contribs) 01:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But lets get this straight, I'm not saying NO ONE died in German air raids, all I'm saying is that it wasn't their intention to harm civilian populace, unlike the Allie's.

I don't mean to sound rude, but you need to read up on air warfare of World War II, as what you've posted above about German tactics is wrong. There are lots of good books on this topic, but for starters you could read Wikipedia articles such as Bombing of Wieluń, Rotterdam Blitz, The Blitz, Operation Steinbock, V-1 flying bomb and V-2. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
While nowhere near the level of Allied bombing, the Liverpool Blitz article also provides further evidence to the point being made by Nick and I. Regardless of intent (i.e. the apparent objective of targeting docks) the Luftwaffe inflicted considerable damage to the city with nearly 200,000 houses destroyed or damaged. The housing estates are set back several miles from the docks, in general there are commercial areas between them. The photo in the article is around half a km away from the nearest docks, ones that iirc were built for sailing ships and not that useful for unloading container ships, and looks towards residential and commercial areas. Evidence is still there today, and highlighted within the article, that bombs rained down on the city centre from one end to the other: the city centre containing no military targets.
In regards to your own examples Mr Cole, i suggest rather than looking at the number of lives lost and forming an emotional opinion, you look at why these places were targeted and gather as much information as possible so not to draw simple conclusions (i.e. the Germans did not target civilians), take a step back and form a balanced opinion on what happened as after all this was a total war that was being waged. With that said, that position of course does not cover acts which are grossly over the line of what should be appropriate in that kind of war i.e. the basis of articles like these.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 11:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
how about Coventry? Peacemaker67 (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

German POWs in the US

I just read in the September/October 2012 edition of World War II magazine that the US implemented a program to convert German POWs imprisoned in the US from Nazism to US-style democracy, called the "Intellectual Diversion Program". According to the article, this was against the Geneva Convention which prohibited attempts to brainwash or convert prioners of war to their captors' idealogies. Is this a war crime? [Source: Baily, Ronald, H., "Coming to a Town Near You", World War II magazine, September/October 2012, pp. 44-53.]

The Camp Forrest article has a few lines about it. Here are a few things i briefly found online to add some detail to the above: Historynet.com article, The University of Chicago conference that briefly mentions it, info on a pow camp that run one of the programmes. The historynet.com article states "There was also the matter of the Geneva Convention. But someone noted a loophole in the document's Article 17, which read, "So far as possible, belligerents shall encourage intellectual diversions and sports organized by prisoners of war."" Granted i have not read the rest of the article, or the others i have just linked to, but at first glances it looks more like a grey area although would warrant a more indepth look?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will keep an eye out for more information on the issue. Cla68 (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The methods used to spy on 'high-value' Japanese POWs in a couple of camps in the US may have violated the Geneva Conventions: Japanese prisoners of war in World War II#Allied prisoner of war camps, though all the sources agree that conditions in Allied POW camps were generally quite good. Nick-D (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rheinwiesenlager

Both this article and United States war crimes#World War II fail to mention the Rheinwiesenlager, where the US Army elegantly circumvented the question of POW handling by designating the inmates "Disarmed Enemy Forces" instead of "POWs". I wonder if the 0.15% mortality rate of German POWs in US camps is taking the deaths at the Rheinwiesenlagers into account? -- DevSolar (talk) 14:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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