Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 4

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Music

'Also, music by Tupac Sukkur and Biggie Smalls are in the game.' what?? Is this for real? I'm thinking probably not since Tupac's last name doesnt look right to me. I'm pretty new at doing this.. but i'm sure this is rubbish, so i'm gonna remove it, am i right in doing so?

Doesn't sound right to me, I guess you're right in deleting it. Please sign your comments.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 21:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Triva: do we need it?

Is triva really necessary? Do we really need to mention other fighting games Snake has been in? Starmenclock 19:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

    Yes, it's always nice to know more about something, I don't think it's hurting anyone.
    As long it's true, then no harm done on putting a trivia.

Trivia, by definition, is pretty unecessary. That's why it's called Trivia. It is, however intresting to know, which, again, makes it trivia. SAMAS 17:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Path of Radiance?

"(probably from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance or the recently announced Fire Emblem (Wii) as it shows the Daein crest)" Is that confirmed anywhere? All I see are flags and no crests on them. 24.211.23.77 21:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it isn't confirmed, as far as I know. It's just speculation. That comment should probably be changed/removed, anyway; While it could easily be a Fire Emblem stage, that's not the Daein Crest. ShadowRegulus 00:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Old characters

Shouldn't we put something to the effect of "It is expected that all playable characters from Super Smash Bros. Melee will return as playable characters in SSBB." the Great Canadian Ben 13:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

No, we don't know that. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 13:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the creator hinted at all the charaters remaining in the next game on SSB Dojo.71.225.125.214 15:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't even bend my head around that. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The only comment on SSB Dojo regarding all the classic Melee characters remaining was in reference of Masahiro Sakurai not becoming the game's director, in which case Nintendo would have made a sequel themselves with no new characters, and no old characters being removed. --Smoke 11:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I meant more expected among fans, rather than as an official statement. the Great Canadian Ben 20:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The best rumor ever

I heard that they will update the playable characters even though the games alredy ben made! Like in Megaman powered up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.1.77.7 (talk • contribs)

1. Use edit summary
2. Sign your comment
3. Spell check
4. Don't listen to rumours
5. Take your spam back to your forum

Meh. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You know its very possible with wiiconnect24(or whatevr its called) that nintendo could update the charater selectionQwerasdfzxcvvcxz 19:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

3rd Party Companies that are wanted in

Oh, please... this is an Enclyopedia, there is enough rumors on the boards already. Deleting that part.Seiferalmas 19:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

3rd party characters in demand

I think that the 3rd party characters in demand section should be removed. as far as I know, Cloud and Sephiroth have never even appeared on a Nintendo system, and there is no chance they would include characters who haven't appeared on a Nintendo console. the rest of the characters are not likely to appear either. Master Chief is also on the list, and I'm willing to bet that he won't be in this game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.26.92.26 (talk • contribs) .

Sign! Sign the messages. Use Capital letters. And I agree. But stop the mutilation of the English language. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree as well. It's unnecessary, extremely objective (I don't know a SINGLE person that's even hoping for Master Chief), and it just makes the article as a whole look unprofessional. I'm going to delete it. Thores 20:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It's gone.. again. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

JoshCube of www.smashbrothersonline.com has admitted on the Gamefaqs forums to posting that list and is also taking suggestions to add more characters to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.126.137.209 (talk • contribs).

We have a problem. I believe this person is the one of the same. Can you ask him to stop? Cheers, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Why are you people removing the 3rd Party Section? Nintendo is having an Online Poll. Please add this section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoshCube (talk • contribs).

Please sign your messages (If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.) We've noted that people are being asked to vote for characters, we don't need a blow-by-blow account of what it is in vogue. It's in Japanese for cripes sake. It is counter-productive. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Cloud has appeared on a Nintendo system. Remember Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.233.42.17 (talk • contribs).

Highway Cello, you need to STOP saying"SING YOUR POSTS!!1!eleven!!1one!!" so much. OK?71.225.125.214 20:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

My name is HighwayCello, and I am saying "Sign" not "Sing". I will stop when you people doing! :P Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I had a typo HC (which is what I will call you, like it or not) and I didnt sign it on purpose. but you keep sayin that alot. Not picking on you just sayin.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 19:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Conversations get awfully messy if no one signs their posts. It takes four seconds to click the signature button, just do it. --Agent Aquamarine 01:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

That logo

I'm not entirely too sure that the logo currently on the page is official. Taking a look at the metadata, it was made in Paint.NET. I may upload the logo from the video instead. What do some others think? TheKeithD 20:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It was probably copied and saved in a paint doc, opposed to saved straight. Use your judgement, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about that. I'll leave it alone for now. TheKeithD 20:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It's official. Check IGN.com. He modified it in paint because the art was coupled with another identical logo on a black background. He removed it. -Spire 00:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sex minigame

I took out the sentence that said there would be a sex minigame with Link and Samus. Anyone know who added that? -Takuthehedgehog 18:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Some vandal. Everyone knows the sex minigame is between Samus and Wario. Voice of Treason 02:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You're both wrong. In an interview, Masahiro Sakurai himself said it would be between Samus, Peach, and Zelda. Try to keep updated, O.K.? --Supermariorobot 03:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Forums! Forums all of you! (At least you signed) Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 08:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ewwwwwww.... Samus and Wario! What the heck is wrong with you people!

I also think that people should be allowed to talk about whatever they want on this page, rumor or not, as long as it portains to the game! And please stop killing the english language!

DuctoMan 20:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Wait a minute, are you being serious? It is hard to tell sarcasm with text. DuctoMan 21:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it wrong that I laughed that it took nearly an hour for this to set in? And I'm against adding too much stuff like this, but darn it, when you see an oppurtunity you have to take it, for better or for worse (taste, that is). Voice of Treason 18:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

stop deleteing

stop deleting the confirmed characters, ok? i mean, seriously, it's something we all want to know --PopiethePopester 16:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Replacement Samus or Alt Samus?

I don't think the video made it clear if Zero-Suit Samus will entirely replace the old version or just be another option, although the entry stated this. I rephrased it to explain the possibility of two "Samuses" or just Zero-Suit. Any feedback? WikiFew 03:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure none of the originals will change, and no one wants Samus minus her arm cannon.--Viridis 04:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Suited Samus not being there isn't even a possibility. I don't see any logical reason to think Zero-Suit is a replacement. Voice of Treason 03:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Zero-Suit would have to have different attacks since she doesn't have the arm cannon, so I don't think there's any chance she'll replace the orinal Samus. ButchRocket 21:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

If you look in the trailer stills, you'll see it's actually the Metroid Fusion Samus who fires the cannon. Well original Samus fires it, and then the suit goes green and yellow and starts to break away. See the stills, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The suit "changes color" because of the bluish light of that humongous blast.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 17:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Erm, No, the suit doesn't change from Varia to Fusion...--Claude 02:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, purple is a color. Go off and play now. urutapu 18:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from potential personal attacks, please keep cool. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

She's in there because she has her own SSBB Stock Art. They're both going to be in there, we just don't know if they'll be the same character that can transform from one to the other or two completely seperate characters. RememberMe? 20:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Are we even talking about the same thing anymore?! And what personal attack, HighwayCello?--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 20:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so very much

I just read 50 cent would be a character, and I was appalled. Then somebody took it off, and saved my very soul. Thank you. I hate everything about 50 cent and so this is overwhelmingly joyous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.213.29.203 (talk • contribs) .

Was a comment about your gullability worth adding to this page? Xubelox 05:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, yes it was. What the heck! 50 cent! AHHHHH! He isn't even in any videogames! AHHHHH! DuctoMan 20:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahem. You may want to do some research. It's not a fact that the world should be proud of, but this guy's ugly mug is everywhere.--Agent Aquamarine 01:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

WHY!!!!! Why would anybody make a video game for him!! WHY!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! DuctoMan 19:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous online play?

The last sentence of the article was a total grammatical mess. I believe I've corrected the grammar, but it is still in need of a source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.57.42.230 (talk • contribs) .

Video or videos?

A couple of sentences in the "items and abilities" section are confusing me a bit, specifically these two:

"Videos also suggest new battle mechanics, such as "super smash" character moves that are triggered by the collection of emblem items."

"It has been shown in a screenshot that a new item will call out a large puppy from Nintendogs which blocks the screen."

First, are there any other videos out besides the E3 trailer? Secondly, the Nintendog is in the E3 video - should this sentence be changed to say that that's where it's from, or is there an official collection of screenshots not related to the E3 trailer floating around? --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

There is only one trailer, and the Nintendogs image is in the gallery. Cheers, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you much. I've rephrased the sentences in question slightly. --Sparky Lurkdragon 22:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Old characters

Let's get something straight, people. Sakurai DID NOT say that all characters would be returning and be untouched. His comment was that if he hadn't directed the game, that's probably what Nintendo would have done. We don't know whether or not they'll all return, and it's possible they won't. Characters have been axed from fighting games before. SSB isn't special. Regardless of what you believe, there is no proof either way, so I think it's best not to add a note on this subject on the page Xubelox 06:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Dojo?

I'm just wondering, should this article be named "Super Smash Bros. Dojo"? The official Smash Bros. website appears to call it Dojo, and not Brawl. Perhaps Brawl was an early name (kept for E3), and Dojo is the final one? --Falcon9x5 11:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that "Dojo" is just the website. Wait for a press release with a new name before we make any page moves. --Shadow Hog 13:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes of course. Sorry, the idea never struck me (I automatically assumed Dojo was the game, not the website). --Falcon9x5 13:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Images

Please don't add an image for every single line of the text, it looks hideous, and isn't required. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused as to why this image is under the screenshots category (or even in the article at all), as it is just a mockup of what was shown in the trailer. I suggest someone replace it with an actual screenshot from the actual scene. Chu 04:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not even a mock-up; someone uploaded a user-made picture over the original. Voice of Treason 18:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It's crappy, I'd report it for delete it. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it, someone thought it was funny to replace the image with a spoof version, which I reverted. Crisis averted. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Techniques

The fourth paragraph under "Development" states that techniques from Super Smash Bros. Melee will probably be able to be used, such as "wavedashing," "L-cancelling," and "edge guarding." Shouldn't we just take out these examples of techniques? There is no official name for any technique used in SSBM, and the average reader (alright, just about every reader) won't understand these terms.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 21:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

On an afternote, couldn't these techniques be usable no matter what controller you were using?--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The only term I think people will know about is Wave Dashing. ...I've never heard of the other two.Sukecchi 21:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

That entire sentence is nothing but speculation, chock full of fan terms that you wouldn't know unless you hung around in elitist SSB board circles. Basically, I don't know why it's on there.--Claude 21:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, edge guarding doesn't take much thought to figure out: guarding an edge while you keep an opponent from getting back on the stage. Even so, removal sounds reasonable.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I was a bit dubious about this sentence myself; I edited it so it would have a slightly more formal tone, but perhaps we should just remove it entirely. --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I was in the mind to just take it out myself...more formal tone? I don't think I can detect a single change...The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

From Nintendo Power Spetember 2005 Issue Volume 195:

"Wavedashing is a tactic where players slide across a board by jumping, blocking, and pressing a direction in quick succession-so quick that the jump is actually skipped. It is hands-down the most difficult move, and it's mind-boggling to see in action. Luigi, Ice Climbers, and marth are probably the best wavedashers."

...I don't even know why I'm defending this, but wavedashing is acknowledged to be a true technique.Sukecchi 22:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

But how many readers are going to know about this?--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I have heard of Wave Dashing, but have no idea what it actually is. The others, I've never even heard of.--Agent Aquamarine 22:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Trophies

Does anybody know whether there will be trophies in this game? 69.40.248.212 20:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The Studio probably knows, but other than them and high-ranking Nintendo officials, nope, nobody knows.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 20:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Theme Music

Does anyone know where lyrics or a trnslation for "A Main Theme with Emotion" could be found, if anywhere?--Supermariorobot 07:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)