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KC-X protest

Also, Flight International/Global has a link to the redacted version of Boeing's KC-X protest here (2.5 Mb). It's interesting in that they show the KC-30/A330-200 wingspan by length "footprint" is actually larger than a KC-10's. Seems kinda inefficient based on that. -Fnlayson (talk) 06:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Re-addition of a tag I removed

This edit: [1] goes against Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Museums#Museum_Ships, because of Battleship Memorial Park. -MBK004 22:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I know I could have been clearer, but as you can tell, I was using the same edit summary to expedite the correcting of my mistake as seen from the discussion at the project level. This was my fault and could have been avoided had I asked before I started tagging all the museum ships blindly without checking for applicable articles solely about the museums. -MBK004 05:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Citation "Boe_storyIV"

Jeff,

The citation associated with "Boe_storyIV" referenced a blacklisted website: www (dot) associatedcontent (dot) com . I did not discover this until I tried to re-insert the citation.

The original citation was:
<ref name="Boe_storyIV">Cox, Joel. [http://www (dot) associatedcontent (dot) com/article/324426/the_boeing_story_part_iv.html "The Boeing Story Part IV"], ''Associated Content'', [[27 July]] [[2007]]. Retrieved: [[17 December]] [[2007]].</ref>

This citation appears to have been removed by User:RoboMaxCyberSem with edit http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Boeing_747&oldid=199054955
--Dan Dassow (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks. Same here. I tried to re-add it last night only to discover it was blacklisted still. So I just removed the rename part and added a fact tag to remind myself and others to reference that. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
    • 747: Creating the World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation, Joe Sutter, Jay Spenser, ISBN-10: 0060882417
    • based on a "Search inside this book" at amazon.com
    • references to bulge: on page 85 and 94
    • references to door: on pages 85, 98, 120, and 215
    • --Dan Dassow (talk) 17:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Hey, well done! I hadn't thought of that. I loaned my copy of that book out. The page 85 in file (93 in book) is the one. You should add that page number to the footnote to get the credit. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Obit for Robert E. Bateman - Boeing aerodynamicist

Jeff,

Since Mr. Bateman worked on the B-52 and Boeing 747, you may be interested in his obituary. He died March 23, 2008.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/obituaries/2004309049_batemanobit27m.html?syndication=rss
By Jim Brunner
Seattle Times staff reporter
Thursday, March 27, 2008

During four decades as a Boeing engineer and executive, Robert E. Bateman worked on some of the company's most recognizable planes, including the B-52 and the 747. He led one of the company's more unusual experiments — the construction of sea-skimming hydrofoils.

...

--Dan Dassow (talk) 18:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Harrier Jump Jet

Jeff, would you be able/interested in putting together a specs table on the Harrier Jump Jet page? If you're not able to do the whole thing, I could do the leg work of lining up the specs figures, if you'll tell me which you think we should compare. I was thinking of P.1127 and/or Kestrel, Harrier GR3, Sea Harrier (FRS1 or FA2 - not sure which), Harrier GR5, and AV-8B+. THose ought to be enough to give a good comparison, and we can swap out some of the models if we can't find particular specs. It just needs to compare the major points, comparable to what a simple specs table on an airliner page does. This isn't a high-priority thing, so we can take our time. I'm surprised it took me this long to think of it, though!

Sure. I can get that started anyway. I can take specs from the variant article except for the P.1127. You want to list both BAE/MDD Harrier IIs. They are slightly different (hardpoints, gun, etc). Here's table with rows for basic specs.


Aircraft: P.1127, Harrier I, Sea Harrier, Harrier II

Data: Crew, Length, Wingspan, Height, Empty Weight, Maximum take-off weight, Max speed, Range, Engine, & Thrust


Will add the extra column... -Fnlayson (talk) 19:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. As to the Harrier II, there are basically 3 models: AV-8B Day attack and GR5, AV-8B Night attack and GR7, and AV-8B+ and GR9 (only plus with radar). A lot of the avioncis are different in the American and British models, but most of the specs are the same, esp dimensions, and the engine models are comparable for each pair. I do believe the AV-8B+ has a slightly longer fuselage than the rest (and the FA2 is longer than FRS1), so that's why I prefer that one, and because of the radat. If you can, a line for the radar would be good too, with "None" for the non-radar models. The Shar has the Blue Fox radar (Blue Vixen in FA2(, while the Plus has the APG-65. We don't have to do all the models, just enough for comparision, though if we could do both Shar variants, that would be good. Thanks! - BillCJ (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I got that started on the Jump Jet page. Some of the specs don't look quite right. I know the Harrier IIs are a little slower. Take a look and discuss on that article talk page. Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

717

Hi, I'm trying to clarify in the lead that the plane was never actually produced or delivered as the MD 95, which is disussed in the text below. There is a lot of information crammed into the lead, thus I'm reluctant to add much more text to clarify my point. --Kevin Murray (talk) 14:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

PS: Is the closing of the LB plant pertinent to the lead for the 717? I removed, but won't contest the return of the text. --Kevin Murray (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Sorry about the edit conflict(s). That didn't fully close the LB plant. Boeing assemblies the C-17, makes commercial airplane parts and does engineering at the LB facility. The last commercial airplane in LB thing is covered in the Development section. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

A plane, not a scandal??!

What in the world is going on at Talk:Boeing KC-767#This article is about the thing (plane)? I didn't sign on today until after 8pm EDT, and wow, what a mess! Thanks for being the voice of reason there - I hope they'll listen! Revert wars over categories? I think this one could on the "Lamest revert wars" page, your efforts to moderate it notwithstanding nor included as part of the "lamest". - BillCJ (talk) 00:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that is kinda funny if you don't get too involved and worked up. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Sound a little familiar?

To paraphrase the old line: "The more times change, the more TIME get even worse!"

I ran across an article from TIME in the Nordeen book, and just had to check it out: The Marines' Bad Luck Plane! Sound a bit familar? If you need a reminder, TIME has included a list a "Related Articles" on the left, and the one I'm referring to is the last one. THe article is pretty short, and skimps on details as for the reasons, primarily because the Marines weren't able to order two-seaters until the last batch, which arrived the year the article was written, and the accidents rate came down after that. I know some of our sources cover this in detail, especially the Gunston piece in The Great Book of Modern Warplanes. - BillCJ (talk) 02:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I didn't need a reminder on the flying shame article. The 2 seaters back then were just trainers, right. There are going to be teething problems with cutting edge technology (AV-8A & V-22). -Fnlayson (talk) 02:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

WT:AIR#French nav boxes

Thanks for your constructive way. I can propose to hide the box like this.What do you think? Is it good this time?

Military of France
Template:Military Vehicle of France

--Toubabmaster (talk) 12:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Delete warnings

Hi, can you specify which image(s) you're referring to? Spellcast (talk) 18:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

F-104 Starfighter

Looks like someone is writing an essay in there! Nimbus (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Yea. I didn't have time earlier to do much more than add the unreferenced tag. Looks like only the last paragraph is needed to set the stage for the F-104, imo. The rest looks like fluff. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  • The last paragraph recently entered contradicts the referenced truth in the next para, that Lockheed took the design to the USAF unsolicited and not the other way round. That IP has many warnings, does not provide references or edit summaries and is digressing into dubious B-47/MiG-15 performance comparison here? Cheers Nimbus (talk) 16:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Good point. The text says Johnson was trying to build a better, simpler fighter to counter the MiG-15. That's different than designing an interceptor to counter bombers. The Origins content is all unsourced, OR-like and out of place/wrong. Delete it if you want. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • It's gone, will see if it stays that way. I agree BTW about your change (10-15 years), that text has been there for quite a while although I think it was one of the reference book editor's POV that could have been copied in (phrase sounds familiar) Nimbus (talk) 18:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Good deal. Your descriptive edit summary should help if that gets readded sometime in the future. The Joint Strike Fighter went some 5 years from when the prototype development contracts were awarded until the X-32 & X-35 first flight. Not sure how long they worked on proposals before that though. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm sure that the '104' had a 'Gattling' gun as well ;-), why would someone add an edit which caused a redirect that was not there before? I saw that this morning, left the house shaking my head! All the best. Nimbus (talk) 18:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

US Army Aviation Museum sandbox

Howdie. You might want to mention the Cessna_CH-1 as well, because they have in storage there the only remaining version of it I believe. I just found a photo of it in storage and the owner of the photo was nice enough to release it. He said that pictures of other stored aircraft might be possible too in the future. - Owlmonkey (talk) 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The image attribution for small images is under discussion on the village pump right now: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Photograph_attribution_in_image_captions. You might want to weigh in. I think additional attribution is appropriate when adding a third-party cc-by photo. I've given it some thought recently. In this specific case, the photographer is offering to go out of his way to photograph more of the aircraft in storage if that helps expand articles. Quite generous... what would you think about a (cc) link without the author's name, just linking to the image page? That would make it more clear that the image is cc-by licensed and more explicitly where to go to find out by whom? I doubt everyone knows to click on thumbnails, especially in infoboxes where no expand icon occurs. Thoughts? - Owlmonkey (talk) 20:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Rollback?

Saw that you have a good record of reverting vandalism, and that you don't have rollback. So, would you be interested in having this anti-vandalism tool? -MBK004 23:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Done: I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback, User:Knowzilla/New Rollbacks School and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. -MBK004 23:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Jeff, I've been meaning to suggest this to you. It works well with vandalism. I've reverted other edits a few times too, mostly by accident. In such cases, we need to leave an explanation on the article talk page or the user's talk page. - BillCJ (talk) 06:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Von Braun

Jeff, I noticed you had a book on Von Braun, and thought you might be interested in this tangental discussion at Talk:DARPA#Von Braun. Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 06:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

KC-X

i know the weight doesnt fits. But the extra cargo is included in MANY references. Probably they removed the passenger-seats, which can be done fast and easy in the airbus.

And it is normal in the US Air force to give plans overweight with extra long runway, water-injection and so on. Probably this are the differences between european and us-version. Wispanow (talk) 00:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Or other engines. The KC-767 is also "advanced". Wispanow (talk) 00:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry about that. It's doesn't quite add up. They will probably increase the MTOW some. I think the KC-30/-45 is supposed take on more fuel after takeoff too. I think the fuel capacity with cargo should be called something else, like typical. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Emirates "daily"

Would you mind going over to the Emirates Airline discussion page to comment on the anon who wants "double daily" and "7 (Daily), please. I'm "nervous" that perhaps I'm wrong and I'd like lots of opinions. Thanks - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 08:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

BAE Systems on 29th

Hi. You did a good job yesterday keeping an eye on vandalism. Unfortunately I wasn't that free to be able to do much. Caught a good one today though (when not logged in): apparently BAE was formed by the:

"merger of two British companies, Marconi Electronic Systems (MES), the Electronics Division (GDE) a subsidiary of defense contractor and naval shipbuilding company General Dynamics (GD), and aircraft, munitions and naval systems manufacturer British Aerospace (BAe)"[2]??!

I think we can both be proud of the article making it to the front page (with a lot of help from others of course) Mark83 (talk) 15:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

  • You're welcome. Just some police work on my part yesterday. The back and forth UK/England edits got on my nerves. I let that go after a while so as not to get into an edit war over it. I did very little on the article. Take it easy. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Gripen wording

Hi, Fnlayson.

I'm not entirely comfortable with the expression "A decision by Croatia".

First, I don't think "by Croatia" is needed for clarification, since they're the only party in the context that has to take a decision (at least in that paragraph). Saab has made an offer, Croatia will take a decision. Right? (Not very important point though, I can live with Croatia being mentioned again.)

Second. I don't think it's good English, although I realize that, in the present company, you should be the expert. How about "A decision from Croatia is expected ..." or "A decision is expected from Croatia ..."?

LarRan (talk) 09:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm a native English speaker but far from any kind of expert at it. Just seems some clarification is needed there. The Swedish Defence Material Administration and Saab are mentioned right before that sentence. I tried rewording some more. Change to something better if you want to. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, again. There's something strange with the references section on the Gripen page: suddenly all text - apart from the headings - has become much smaller. It wasn't like that before, I believe. Does it appear the same to you? LarRan (talk) 20:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I've only noticed a reduction in the size of small font such as the reflist template used in many Reference sections. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. More language issues: "The Gripen NG's empty weight is just 200 kg (440 lb) heavier..". Shouldn't it be more rather than heavier? "How heavy is the weight?" is not a question that can be asked, is it? Also: "Due to relocated main landing gear...". Shouldn't it be "Thanks to ..."? It's an advantage, not a disadvantage, right? What do you think? LarRan (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

"Heavier" seems fine to me, but "more" is fine too. "Due to" seems more neutral, but either is OK with me. I will work on rewording the NG section so the text is longer a copy of the article. Help where you can. Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

We ran into each other at M16 rifle. Links to common units of measurement are in the top most frequent links in Wikipedia. The guideline at wp:overlink says In general, do not create links to ... Plain English words, including common units of measurement. and has footnote giving some examples of these.

Some people say that links help with conversion but where the conversion is right there on the page, that rationale does not apply, of course. I just thought that I would let you know. Keep up the good work. Lightmouse (talk) 11:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, it just seemed odd to remove the Yard link and not the inch one. How many links are enough is a big gray area sometimes. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree that 'inch' is in a similar class (i.e. common units) to 'yard'. The removal of the link to yard was not an endorsement of the link to inch. I simply overlooked inch. I also agree with you that the *correct* amount and the *actual* amount of linking for each unit term (metre, kilogram, foot, inch) are both somewhere on a continuous scale from 'none' to 'all'. This is not the most important issue for me. Lightmouse (talk) 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

A-4 Skyhawk & A-4SU Super Skyhawk

I'm not so good with adding references but I tried. Anyway, I was also expecting Jane's reference from online source but I found none. To my knowledge and if I guess it correctly, they had it only in print because A-4PTM was retired back in 1993/4 following delivery of their BAE Hawks. I ought to know because I stay in Singapore and I follow the region's procurement of aircraft types very carefully, particularly Indonesia and Malaysia. Regards. --Dave1185 (talk) 21:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for adding the link. I thought you were looking at one of Jane's books. Flight Internal/flightglobal.com is another good online source. Take it easy. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I was, I have Jane's Defense Weekly in print since September 1989 and Jane's Handbook for Aircraft / Ship recognition since 1997. Flight International is another good source too (have it in subscription since 1993). But that one thing that bugs me is a lot of their past data are now available online only if you are a paid subscriber. You take it easy too and I hope I didn't get on Bill's nerve too much today. BTW, I run a check and found this ==>>> List of A-4 Skyhawk operators#.C2.A0Malaysia. Oh boy... the amount of stress I had to went through when the reference was actually so close at hand. Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 21:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are two artwork of A-4PTM patches as given by Grumman to Royal Malaysian Air Force;

  1. patch 1,
  2. patch 2.

--Dave1185 (talk) 23:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't think you can find anymore of these around as it was shot by a professional photographer - Peter Steinmann (who had been commissioned by MINDEF to shoot the photos on several occasions since the late 1990's) and was published in the MINDEF's "Pioneer" magazine somewhere during the year 2000 and only those two were selected for use in the online version - "Cyber-Pioneer". Do you mind reverting the image back now OR do I have to do it again? Thank you. --Dave1185 (talk) 22:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I fail to see what the 2nd Blackknights image adds. It's basically the first one turned 90 degrees with different lighting. A different A-4SU image would be good. Bring it up on the article talk page if you like. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • You got it right! But wait... I've just added two more images, one from as far back as 1988, which was a mock up during the Asian Aerospace exhibition. Wait till Bill sees this, ha! --Dave1185 (talk) 01:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Airwolf replica

Someone just added this link to a story about the Airwolf replica being sold on eBay. It said it was in Georgia, but I think it was the same one for the helicopter museum in Pigeon Forge, TN. I'd been hoping to go see it some day, but oh well! Anyway, notice the Bell 222A link in the piece - seeing more of that around now, which is totally cool! Nice to know our work is being seen by more than vandals, huh? - BillCJ (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Good that someone is buying it, vs. destroying it. Wired did use severaal 'pedia links. :) Have you seen any of the discussion on the heaviest US airplane on Talk:Boeing 747-8? I've tried and think I'm pretty much done with it. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the userpage for that 747-8 guy. It says it all! If he contiunes to be a problem over it, we could bring it up at WPAIR, and get a consensus to bypass his objections. I don't think anyone would object to saying the A380 is the heaviest plane ever offered by Airbus, but thats a bit more obvious. Anyway, Boeing is pretty wordy in its PR releases - we can probably find a statement to support it there somewhere. - BillCJ (talk) 01:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Airwolf

I have seen a source on that junk that keeps being added - it's apparantly a recent news story. I honestly don't see how such an unverifiable claim - no one apparently saw the man "do" it - belongs in the article, and I'm not sure it's relevant even if verified! Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 04:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Sounds like tabloid content, not encyclopedic at all. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep, someone added that stuff to the Airwolf (helicopter) article with a link this time. Seems like that falls under WP:NOT#NEWS though. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Leyte Gulf reverts

I am not inconsistent. Had you bothered to read aft as I suggested, you would know that after is the adjective form of aft, which refers to the rear of a ship. Thus, "these gun turrets are aft" but "these are the after gun turrets". The phrase "after gun turrets" is used twice in Battle of Leyte Gulf as well as in other Wikipedia articles. DES (talk) 07:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Aft is adjective in most common usage. Same as aft cabin example in the aft article. -Fnlayson (talk) 08:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

JF-17 Thunder

The aircraft's payload seems to be a bit controversial. someone has given the reference of Aviation Week & Space Technology which looks a bit odd as it it does not provide any speific info of JF-17 of its own. Article states that the empty weight is 6300+ kg but some well established sites mention it as 3800kg.I would like you to look into the matter. regards Daredevil555 (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

No idea what is right. The Aviation Week reference in the JF-17 Specs lists a 2008 Aviation Source Book, which appears to be AWST Source Book. Flightglobal.com does not have a profile on it either. That's all I have.. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

well these sites do provide valuable [click here ] and [here]. These sites provide authentic info but I really don't know if they can be used as reference. Daredevil555 (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a reference that lists the JF-17/FC-1's empty weight (mass). One does list max take-off weight and normal take-off weight. Given those weights and its size being similar to the JAS 39 & T-50, an empty weight of 3,800 kg seems way low. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

same here.I think its way too low may be because its based on a third generation airframe Daredevil555 (talk) 08:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

F-111 edit?

Jeff

I'm an irregular wiki user, and I don't know enough about the F-111 to edit anything, but the paragraph titled 'Futher Developments' appears to be out of place. Since you appear on the history page as one of the editors, I hoped you'd be able to rectify this, or pass the problem on to someone who can. T Dietrich (talk) 08:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Yea, it does look odd now. But that text is best related to development. The Development section should address the aircraft's changes after the initial A and B variants (Air Force and Navy requirements). I plan to add a little on that with a couple books I have. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

I noticed your edits to B-2 Spirit (thanks for fixing that ref I removed, I had not realized it had covered the prior sentences as well) and I noticed what a superb job you have done. Thanks for your contributions, Prodego talk 01:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. No big deal really. I was guessing it covered the earlier sentence. Being a little safe with that. That's good that removed the possible crash reason, since it was obsolete info. Take it easy. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 01:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Move to main user page, thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Mechanical engineering

WP:MOS says to replace all the ampersands and slashes with words; can you reword it without the ampersand or slash? - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 19:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The mining and metallurgical are grouped together there. Will see if I can come up with something other than a slash. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I read the reference and decided that I'd like to pull in more specific information from the source, and that takes out the need for a slash; see what you think. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 19:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The GAN review is done, finally, and it's on hold awaiting improvements. I'm letting you and Ame know, in case you'd like to do more. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 22:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

MXU-648 Cargo/Travel Pod

Hi Fnlayson, do you know if there is a travel pod wikiarticle? F-15 is certified to carry them on hardpoint 2, 5 and 8. --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Does not look like it. I searched in Wikipedia using a couple options (Google, Yahoo) and couldn't find one. If there are other sizes/versions of that pod and information is available, a new wiki article may be in order. Great, looks someone sells models of these pods: MXU-648 Baggage pod ;) -Fnlayson (talk) 22:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
6 $, gee that's why they are always so dented. BTW, beer is not purely personal belongings but also squadronal belongings ;-) --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

717

Hi, I thought that the incidents were rather un-notable, but if you have a purpose for that title that I've missed, I can work with your logic. What is the purpose? --Kevin Murray (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No, that's fine. The section is pretty short, so no problem. In some aircaft articles we include "notable" to keep from listing every minor incident or accident. -Fnlayson (talk) 11:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Conscripts on Gripen

Hi.

The idea of conscripts working with fighter aircraft is not that far-fetched that you might think. That has been the case in Sweden historically, for example with the Saab 37 Viggen. I am, however, unsure in the case of Gripen, since it was more than 30 years ago I was a conscript. I wasn't in the Air Force myself, but some of my friends were. So it might not be vandalism. But I agree that the article does better without the Soviet Union and conscript remarks.

LarRan (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight, LarRan. Conscripts just sounded odd to me there. In any event that text didn't add anything of value. Specifying the Soviet Union does seem better than just saying "a superpower". Take a look and see if that seems alright. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Blue Fox/Blue Vixen

Jeff, I've noticed we don't have an article on the Blue Fox and Blue Vixen radars, so I did some checking for internet sources. All I found was this one from Flight Global, but it's a reputable source, and has some good info ont he Sea Harrier FA2 upgrade also. ALot of related radars are covered togetehr, so it should be no problem putting these two on the same page. I don't know when I might get to it, but I thought I'd give you aheads up on it. I've never done a radar page from scratch, but most of them are pretty slim anyway. Id just like to put something together to avoid having redlinks. - BillCJ (talk) 19:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know anything about those. I'll do what I can copy editing though. Would you name the article Blue Vixon (newer one I think) and include the Blue Vixon info? -Fnlayson (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, looks like the Harriers up to the Sea Harrier used some type of optical sensor in the nose. The Sea Harrier replaced that with the Blue Vixen. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your work at Mark E. Kelly

I am hoping to get the quality raised from C to B from the Aviation project.

Allegedly it is not B yet due to "Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met"

It looks like you've improved on that score.

Is there anything else that needs to happen?--Utahredrock (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I have only done some formatting and copy-editing. No content was added. So coverage is unchanged. I added some comments at Talk:Mark E. Kelly. Please discuss there. Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you still believe it's not B class? Compared to other modern-era astronauts I think it's one of the best out there.--Utahredrock (talk) 17:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably so, but I think I'm a bit biased at this point. OK, you're re-asked for review/help at WT:Aviation, which was what I was going to suggest. You might ask for a peer review at WP:Aviation Peer Review for other ideas on article improvements. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Charlie!

Chattanooga 'best fit' for VW, CEO says:

"Chattanooga had some other advantages over other sites mentioned by VW, including Huntsville, Ala. Metro Chattanooga has nearly a third more people than does metro Huntsville."

Just teasing! Anyway, this is a big deal here, as Chattanooga has been trying to land a big manufacturer for over 20 years, and has missed out on several large auto plants, including some that went to AL. - BillCJ (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice. :) Good that you got it. Chattanooga is well positioned to work with the other auto plants & suppliers in three state area. Huntsville has like a few thousand Army jobs moving here due to the last BRAC round. That's going to be enough growth for a while as far as I'm concerned. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Gee, the Huntsville Times really covered the VW plant loss. It is all over its front today and a couple pages in the A section. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your second response - at least that vandal had an upside! Any, Hunstville is close enough to Chatt that it might get some of the supplier business. We haven't heard yet what they'll build here, but I'm curious to see what it'll be. - BillCJ (talk) 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

F-104

Good work, I have mainly left that article alone hoping that the requested peer review (March 08) would generate some interest/input. Amazing how things slip when an article is left 'unsupervised' for want of a better word. There are still problems in there but I suppose you can't please all of the people, all of the time! Cheers Nimbus (talk) 22:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Good work yourself. You try to do what you can. It's not like we're highly paid magazine writers/editors here. Take it easy Nimbus. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Well it all got a bit stressful for a while. Yep, the pay could be better! Read something about people making money from WP articles, don't agree with that at all. I have an eleven year old son who loves surfing WP, tells me all sorts of wonderful facts, have to make sure the articles are 'straight' for him and his generation. All the best Nimbus (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Since you have experience of the discussion at Talk:Atlanta Braves involving this editor, you may wish to contribute to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/MAL01159 and share your view. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 13:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, I know about that. I'm still watching the Braves talk page, but I'm abstaining from further discussion (WP:DFTT). With the IPs before and now Mal, I've had enough of that 14 year streak mess. Thanks for letting me know. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 13:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Bombardier CSeries specs

Jeff, when you get a chance, could you take a look at the specs on the Bombardier CSeries page? It's quite a mess now, in three separate parts. Something like what's in some of the other airliner pages is fine. Thanks, and take your time - there's no deadline! - BillCJ (talk) 20:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, so combine the 3 Specs tables into 1 big Specs table. That should not be too bad. I'll copy a table over and fill in the data. Looks like there would be 3 columns; C110, C110 ER, & C130. Bombardier CSeries page -Fnlayson (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! - BillCJ (talk) 21:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Bombardier lists CSeries 130, 130 XT (Extra Thrust) and 130 ER on their CSeries 130 page (see 130 specs table). I added data for the C130 XT & ER versions last week as well. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, i thought the lead section also served as an introduction and to create interest in the article. The data about the market was posted there to show the reason for this aircraft being developed - i thought that fitted best in the lead. Anyway, it doesnt really matter. One comment about the tables though - would it be possible to make the cell outline black, or otherwise define it? IMO the table is a little confusing as so many of the items span more than one column, and the white outlines cant really be seen. Cheers A300st (talk) 16:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I thought that was too much detail for the Lead. A shortened form of that could work in the Lead if you want to add one. Mentioning it using composites, being more fuel efficient, etc. seems better though, imo. I largely used the table formatting that was already in place. I'll see what I can do. If my changes don't help, bring it up on the article's talk page. Others' may have similar or different ideas on it. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Table formatting is exactly what i was looking for - far more readable now ta A300st (talk) 17:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

F-117 thanks

Thanks for adding the F-117 ref. I wasn't sure that I wanted to be the one to add it, the way COI accusations can fly! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 14:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Funny, I was adding that reference and copied the author's name and realized that was you. I thought it'd better to leave that off to avoid possible COI claims. Good article. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Top Gear Test - Eurofighter Typhoon Article

I appreciate you deleting that section for those reasons. However,can you tell me how to put a culture section on that page? Maybe you could do it for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSSTRATFORD (talk • contribs) 17:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I read it and tried myself. If that is not right, please tell me what I'm doing wrong, as I am new to Wikipedia. --RSSTRATFORD (talk) 17:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Additional Help

For additional help on Wikipedia, do you mind if I ask you? --RSSTRATFORD (talk) 17:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll add a welcome message on your talk page. That should have links that will help as well. If something is still not clear, you can ask me. I'll try to help. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You're the best! Thanks for that message. It really did help! --RSSTRATFORD (talk) 18:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Good deal. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Nomination for Administrator

Hi! I was wondering if you'd like to be administrator as I think that you'd do an absolutely outstanding job, but before nominating you, I thought I should probably ask. Best Regards and hope you write back soon. --RSSTRATFORD (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

No thanks. I'm not interested in adminship. The review process looks like a hassle as well. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I was just wondering as I do still think that you deserve it. --RSSTRATFORD (talk) 15:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks for the kind words. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

MF-80 Vandalism

Hey Jeff, do you know where the MF-80 article is? I've been accused of vandaling the page, with threats of taking me to admins, per my revert here. And all I did was revert his revert back to what you had done! This business of calling any edit one doesn't like vandalism is insidious, but we're seeing it more and more from certain users. I've never been very impressed with this user editing abilities, and crap like this doesn't help. - BillCJ (talk) 16:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, agreed. Disagreement over content is no way vandalism, gee. You seem to catch far more than your share of flak here. ??? I guess you got my e-mail earlier this week. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I think he was referring to the MD-80 article; IMHO the removal of the cost analysis information by both of you was appropriate, as it constituted OR. Just because you include a cite in with your OR doesn't protect it from removal. As an aside, I hung out with a friend at the VCV scrap yard yesterday, and was told that they just recently cut up a low-time MD-90, and had at least one more scheduled for scrapping. Just no demand for the planes. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 16:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

F-16 Fighting Falcon variants

I've created a new article on F-16 variants; this will let me begin trimming the main article. A question: should I use the F-16 infobox on this article as well – or no infobox at all? Please take a look at the article and let me know what other work it needs. Thanks, Askari Mark (Talk) 22:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Naw, I don't think it needs an Infobox. The articles split off form the F-4 article like [F-4 Phantom II variants]] don't have infoboxes. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

CH-53E

I don't know how to change this, but everyone knows that a CH-53E is a "shitter" and that is an appropriate place for the comment. If you google "shitter helo" the first two images are of a CH-53E. It's like a CH-46 being a "phrog". Someone is more likely to be familiar with the plane by calling it a shitter than by calling it a CH-53E. What do you propose a good reference for that would be? Chexmix53 (talk) 23:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Putting it in parentheses does not tell anybody what it is or why. It should be part of the Hurricane Maker sentence or something like that. This relates to an article so this should be discussed at Talk:CH-53E Super Stallion. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Aluminum/aluminium

We usually go with the IUPAC spelling on science-related articles. See also sulfur and caesium. --John (talk) 03:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The Space Shuttle article uses US spelling. Changing to British/International spelling for 1 word is inconsistent and against the MoS policy (see WP:ENGVAR). -Fnlayson (talk) 04:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
It's because it is a chemistry word (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Style guidelines). Not at all like your typical ENGVAR example. As it says, "these international standard spellings should be used in all chemistry-related articles on English Wikipedia, even if they conflict with the other national spelling varieties used in the article. These are based on "preferred names" in IUPAC nomenclature." For future reference the shortcut is WP:ALUM. Best wishes, --John (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, John, but I can't see the Space Shuttle article as being "chemistry-related" - at least it's not a near-relative! It certianly doesn't seem to fall within WP:Chemical's purview, but rather WP:SPACE and WPAVIATION. - BillCJ (talk) 19:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, as a chemistry graduate I have a pretty inclusive approach to this. I'd say to the degree that this article mentions chemical elements, it is therefore a chemistry-related article. Is a wider central discussion merited or required here? If so, where? --John (talk) 19:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I certainly hope not! I think there's a difference between mentioning chemical elements and discussing them in detail. Most aircraft use aluminum/aluminium in some form, and many mention it in the text, but I'd hardly call them "chemistry related articles". Granted, the Space Shuttle is powered by chemicals, which does necessitate some discussion in the text, but aluminum is not one of those chemicals. But, if you feel the need for further discussion, chose the location you feel is best, but post notes on the talk pages of WP:AIR. WP:AVIATION, and perhaps WP:SPACE. - BillCJ (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
To pick up a slight error of fact, Al is in fact used as a propellant on the shuttle SRB; see here for detail. I'll put up a central argument somewhere, maybe the village pump, and post notes to the venues you suggest, and also to here, and see if we can clarify where the boundary between WP:ENGVAR and WP:ALUM is properly drawn. I certainly feel, per my argument above, that the space shuttle article falls into WP:ALU, but I suppose others may differ. --John (talk) 20:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding The Incredible Hulk

Hey there, thought I'd let you know that I've reverted your reversion to The Incredible Hulk (TV series); per WP:MOSTV#Lead paragraphs, References to the show should be in the present tense since shows no longer airing still exist, so it shouldn't read "The Incredible Hulk was..."

Just thought I'd drop you a line and let you know about that guideline. Later! —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Fine. "Was" had been there for some time. There was nothing in the main WP:LEAD policy about using present tense. Wish you'd mentioned WP:MOSTV the first time... -Fnlayson (talk) 22:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry; I hadn't remembered the relevant policy when I changed it. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 14:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hello

Jeff, I watch the Boeing 787 and similar aviation articles. I tend to only contribute when I see something important is being neglected. Generally, you and others tend to update the articles frequently enough that important information is captured.

As of late, I have been editing articles related to Changeling (film) and J. Michael Straczynski.--Dan Dassow (talk) 12:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)--

Bad Messages To Me All Of A Sudden

Today I have received these three messages (below). I have only ever made 2 edits. One was a date of an ancestor of mine. Something like 1518 I changed to 1581. And one other about an actor on Gilligan's Island (I think). A couple years ago. Since I am on Dial-Up I doubt my cats could have done all this editing by sitting on my keyboard while I was out of the room. Also, since I am on Dial-Up, I don't have time to go around the system and learn how to send this message to you properly. And I have to also contact the other two. I have never received a message from WIKI before. Now in one day I have three!!! I don't care two hoots about Rush but I hate to imagine what I am supposed to have done to the Rush page.

Metro Transit

Hi! Out of curiousity, where'd you find the years of construction of the Halifax and Dartmouth III ferries? I couldn't find it anywhere online, and Metro Transit never emailed me back. Ouuplas 05:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Progesterone . It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Mwanner | Talk 13:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September 2008

Your recent edit in Rush (band) is considered vandalism and has been undone. Further edits such as these will lead to you being blocked from editing. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

18myrtle (talk) 20:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)18myrtle

Your talk page is a red link. You could not have received any messages there. Now if you mean at User talk:XXXX, that warning was justified. This edit was vandalism. Now those vandalism edits could have been done by someone else using that same IP address. Use your account for editting and there is no doubt about who did them. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I created that user account after I got the messages. Yes it is the IP XXX that got the messages. I searched around and found a HELP that dealt with "what if I have been accused of [whatever] and I didn't do it?" It shows several possible reasons. It also said to contact the people who sent the messages. So I created an account and did so. Nobody else uses this computer, so it was nobody in this house. But the HELP thing showed several possible reasons. Please check them out. I am not interested in editing WIKI. I use it primarily for genealogy research. I am starting to consider this stuff as an equivalent to SPAM at this point. It is really slowing down my DIAL UP use of WIKI. I came back here hoping to see "sorry" or something, and I will take the time to check out the other two as well. I have no interest in checking out what vandalism somebody did to the two articles, or the supposed "helpful" edit they did to the other guys's Metro Transit article (which I am also considering valdalism at this point). I wanted to let all three of you know that you have to dig deeper to find out who is at your articles and hold them to account. Do you not find it astounding that suddenly there are THREE vandalisms from this supposed IP address all at once, out of the blue. I do. My name is Sandy. Good luck and happy hunting. Oh yes, the sig thing ... 18myrtle (talk) 22:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)18myrtle

Glad the Help was actually helpful to you. Sorry you had to go through this stuff. Good luck. And let me know if you need help or have questions with Wikipedia stuff. -Jeff/ Fnlayson (talk) 22:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll check out now. But first, I feel bad for the Metro Transit guy who thought he was getting a valid addition to his article. Another thing I wonder ... it looks like the edits to the other 2 were done in 2006 and yours was done in 2008. What's up with that? And I'm even starting to wonder if my cats really could have done this ... but no way! The perfect storm of paws and butts??? If you see any more edits from my IP feel free to let me know, but the topics are looking very random to me. If it keeps happening, it will probably be yet more random articles. The one coincidence is that the Metro Transit guy is looking for info that I can probably get for him as I do work for that Municipality. I will check with him now and maybe I can make some phone calls for him. Bye Bye. Sandy Oh yeah ... 18myrtle (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)18myrtle

Cat vandals. :) IP addresses can be different when you log-in. So probably a different computer... -Fnlayson (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

XHTML tags

Jeff, I noticed you removed spaces from some xhtml tags for line breaks (<br />). The correct syntax for these tags includes a space before the slash.[3] It isn't an issue for most modern browsers, but it potentially creates problems for older or more strict browsers. If you'd prefer, you could simply change these tags to html by removing the space and the slash (<br>). XHTML is my preference, no issues if you choose to change them. --Born2flie (talk) 18:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I know very little about html coding. I had not seen any issues leaving the spaces out. I can leave those slashes out in the future with the line breaks (br). Does that issue affect the ref tags like <ref name="something" />? I'm just removing the spaces so they wrap together and to save a few bytes (not critical). -Fnlayson (talk) 18:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

MRJ

Jeff, some add uncited specs tables to the Mitsubishi Regional Jet page per this diff, and it was quite a mess, at least to me. I've reverted it for now, but I'm sure it will get put back if we don't have something better in place. (There's a very small table there right now.) There are some details on specs in this AvWeek article, tho they are over a year old. Thanks, and as usual on this stuff, there's no hurry. - BillCJ (talk) 03:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Great, I've become the specs table guy around here. :) Really, finding the data, good data is part that can take some effort. I was reading some about the MRJ in the Flight International the other day. Should be some specs in that if Mitsubishi does not have all the data on their web site. If you can help keep the B-2 article under control. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been forgetting about the MRJ specs. Need to do in a the next couple days and get off my plate. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

F-104

Thanks Jeff, that article is beginning to get to me, I don't have a lot of patience left to keep it on track. Nimbus (talk) 00:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome Nimbus and thanks for checking in on it. I feel like a stumble around trying to keep an eye on that article and others that I know little about. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I will pop in there when I can but I am really getting cheesed off with it, the Indo-Pak war section is a popular target for 'input'. I spent a long time on researching that aspect and got close to the truth but the references were just not reliable enough to use. I'm glad you keep an eye on it, sometimes I'm just not bold enough. Also got some family stuff on at the moment. Happy landings. Nimbus (talk) 00:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

De Havilland.png

Hi, I noticed that you'd changed the licensing information for Image:De Havilland.png to a free-use license. However, per this guideline, this isn't exactly valid. Images of logos, regardless of who drew the logo, are generally considered non-free. I've restored the non-free license to that image. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 12:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Fine, fixed now.. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Jeff, much obliged. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

XB-70 Valkyrie

Do we have a troll? He is purposely twisting what I'm saying in my summaries. None of our usual admins are active right now, but I hate using ANI - I always seem to get on of the vandal-loving admins! I'm going off-line for now anyway, and I'll try to hunt down an admin later. - BillCJ (talk) 18:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

If not, pretty close to one. Being difficult ... like Beavis' buddy. ;) -Fnlayson (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I asked Maury to help and MilborneOne has helped also. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Just reverted his/her last change and gave them a note on the user talk page that their actions could be considered vandalism if they persist. MilborneOne (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Strange behaviour - you are being used as a source at Joe Baugher! MilborneOne (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that the editor is at it yet again. If you need an admin to lend a clue-bat/block hammer, let me know. -MBK004 21:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to try not to get too involved so I get frustrated. A message about working with others and assuming good faith would be fitting. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
This business of adding uncited statements into the text supposedly based on edit summaries of the previous editor is one of the oddest things I've ever seen on WP. Ranks right up there with the loquacious User:Tenmei, but with a totally different style. - BillCJ (talk) 00:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

SH-60 Seahawk

Jeff, I noticed you've been working on the HH-60 articles today. I just wanted to let you know I'm done with the SH-60 Seahawk page for the next few hours, just in case you had planned on working on it too. I planned to do alot more, but I'm not feeling well at all today, so I didn't get very far. - BillCJ (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I was going to wait and make sure you were done before looking at it. It'll be later tonight or tomorrow for me. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem. The SH-60 article in particular is such a mess. It has good info, but there is so much that can go in, especially background and development. - BillCJ (talk) 21:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I was planning to go to the HH-60 Pave Hawk next, but can help with the SH-60 Seahawk too. The HH-60J Jayhawk is in much better shape. I've done enough on it for now. Hope you feel better tomorrow. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on the origins of the SH-60 at the moment, so I'm going to look through all my books on it before adding text. As I recall the Whirlybird book states IBM was the prime contractor and picked the H-60 to be the platform for their systems. But my Black Hawk book does not mention that. Anyway, I'll work on the Pave Hawk one and come back to the Seahawk. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
All the sources I've read, IIRC, say the H-60 was chosen by the Navy in the LAMPS III competition over the H-61. I can run down some sourcew, esp. from the early 80s, if you need them. - BillCJ (talk) 16:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  • That's OK. I got it now. The Black Hawk book says the Navy wrote its requirements tailored for the UH-60. So they largely picked the platform for LAMPS III. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I need to get started on this. OK, see User:Fnlayson/CH-xx#SH-60. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Origins info done, now on to UH-60 to SH-60 differences... -Fnlayson (talk) 21:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
A summary of UH-60 to SH-60 changes is done. I guess I'll try to source the other text in the article now. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
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