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Deletion of E107 (software)

Dear Mr Haworth, Unfortunately we discovered today that the page E107 (software) was marked for rapid deletion. And it was quick indeed, because despite the User talk page comments I and others added today, the Wikipedia page for E107 (software) was gone this afternoon (GMT+1) on 23-March-2013.

I don't believe in conspiracies so often, but this might be one. Let me explain myself further. The original page E107 (software) was already deleted once in 2009. At that time having the page deleted was not such a big deal. The page was already written badly and a lot of references were lacking. We (the community of e107 Content Management System) decided to create a new page from scratch under a new name E107 (CMS) We found that a more appropriate name. However I think that the latest modifications on the page reverted a lot of the content back to a state almost similar to the situation at the early stages of that newly created page. On top of it the name of the page was reverted from E107 (CMS) to E107 (software). Due to the rename action, suddenly the Talk page contained all the old arguments to delete the former page. And admittedly the current content of the page would have supported that decision. However, if you look back at older revisions (e.g. changes to the page under my account) you will see the actual text was modified a lot compared to the old page at E107 (CMS).

Also, we are a vivid Content Management System listed in e.g. this list. We would like to have visitors of Wikipedia have the opportunity to have a fair comparison, hence we would like to inform visitors what our CMS has to offer, just as all the other PHP CMS systems from that list. If we need to improve our content based on Wikipedia policies, we will be more than happy to change the content accordingly. But than we would like to have a fair time frame in order to get our act together and implement improvements.

Therefore I would like to ask you to undo the deletion of page E107 (software), and I will be very appreciative if you could specify some pointers to improve the content of our E107 (software) page. The vast part of the community consisting out of 124059 registered members will be thankful as well.

Best regards, Henk Jongedijk / nlstart, Dev Team Member, on behalf of the e107 CMS community. -- Nlstart (talk) 21:23, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

• As you can see above, my normal response to someone with a declared COI such as you and especially one who cannot even manage to link to the article he is talking about is to say: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your product is notable. I must be feeling soft today, I have restored the article. The (CMS) / (software) discussion is a red herring. I prefer the (software) version. If the article is retained, you may of course create a redirect at e107 (CMS). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of TruthOrFiction.org

You deleted TruthOrFiction.org just minutes after I contested its nomination for Speedy Deletion. Please send me the article source.

This article should not have been speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because, for nearly a decade and a half, it was one of the leading "truth-checking" sites in the Internet, like Snopes.com, UrbanLegends.About.com, HoaxInfo.com (now defunct), BreakTheChain.org (lasted 13 years, but now defunct, though the web site still exists), and hoaxbusters.ciac.org (also lasted 13 years, but now defunct).

Of all those hoax-checking sites, only three remain: TruthOrFiction.com, UrbanLegends.About.com and Snopes.com. UrbanLegends.About.com has only a modest database of urban legends, but Snopes and TruthOrFiction both have huge databases of chain-emails, hoaxes, eRumors, etc., debunked or verified, and both are widely referenced and highly notable. They are very often referenced together; indeed, google-searching for both domain names together yields over 1,000,000 hits. But only Snopes had a Wikipedia page, until today, when I created one for TruthOrFiction -- except that, a mere couple of hours later, you deleted it. NCdave (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

• You thoroughly deserved to have it deleted because you had made no attempt to provide independent evidence of notability. I am in a generous mood tonight - I have restored it to User:NCdave/sandbox. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Do you like it better now? NCdave (talk) 11:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, it will probably now be acceptable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. NCdave (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Exsite Webware (software)

Can you explain why you speedy-deleted this 2-yr old page? It was quite useful for developers looking to understand the origins of this useful package. Your explanation didn't make much sense, so we out here in radio-land would sure appreciate knowing what you were thinking when you did this. If you can't "undelete" it, could you at least point us to the text of the most recent version so we'd have a decent chance of recreating it? I was just involved in trying to get the developers to upload their logo (which I can't do because I'm not the owner of the logo). There's quite a lot of work there that you flushed down the toilet and, if nothing else, I'd like to get it back. Santamoly (talk) 04:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

PS: Is it you (RHaworth) who deleted this page, or someone else (a "Captain Conundrum")? The message on my talk page was signed by "Captain Conundrum", but the deletion info on the Exsite Webware page was signed by you (RHaworth). I'm also puzzled by the "copyrighted text or images obtained from other web sites" label. I wrote some of the original contributions, and none of it was copied. Now that you've deleted the page, I can't verify or dispute what you're saying since others may have added to the article in the 2 years that it has been in place. Or perhaps Exsite Webware lifted the WP article for their own page. Please restore the article ASAP. It doesn't deserve Speedy Deletion especially since it was in place for several years, and it's original content. Then we (editors) can figure out what was going on. The last I saw of it, it was a good article.Santamoly (talk) 05:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• I don't call two years "several". You definitely are a Wikipedia dilettante - the story is perfectly simple and easy to understand: Captain Conundrum (talk · contribs) proposed deletion by applying a {{db-copyvio}} tag and notified you. I then deleted it as the deletion log states. The story of the alleged copy source being actually copied from Wikipedia is quite possible but I am not willing to restore since the article was also deletable on the grounds of lack of evidence of notability. I am happy to let you see the text - read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too thrilled that you choose to start this conversation by hurling insults. That's so clearly against WP principles that I'm astonished that you have any kind of administrative capacity. I've done nothing to deserve this kind of abuse, which you seem to enjoy dishing out, even to the point of calling yourself "bolshie" (which doesn't appear to be very WP-ish). But, back to the topic at hand: I have opened an email address, and look forward to viewing the article. If you would be so kind as to point out what you think is copy-vio, please do so. The article concerns a computer operating system, so you also must be careful saying that it's not notable if you're naught but a bolshie artist, for example. The article has been through this kind of mindless bolshie AFD-copy-vio/lack-of-notability activity before, so I'd like to see if we're witnessing a repeat of previous episodes in which no problem was found after AFD, when in fact nobody had actually looked at the article. Regardless of your radical instincts, could you please overcome your revolutionary urges and email the article to me so I can start dealing with your bolshie concerns ASAP. With all due respect, of course. Santamoly (talk) 06:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

• OK, you feel insulted but there is no need to go on at such length. I still cannot see the e-mail link. Did you tick "enable email from other users"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Block request: User:Tbhotch

Hi, sorry for interrupt, can you delete User:Tbhotch, because the user is actually from Mexico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordofpyrus (talk • contribs) 08:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I've blocked Lordofpyrus for trolling. Acroterion (talk) 08:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Swish

Deletion of Swish wiki page even though it follows guidelines with credible sources.. Huff Post, LA Weekly, etc. Why are you trolling Wikipedia deleting articles being created with notable sources? Swish is an artist with notable sources, history, and music. Undo the deletion of the page please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingcaptain20 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

• Just for once, I have simply restored. You were very misguided to develop the article in mainspace instead of using a user page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Aspen Network of Development Entrepreneurs

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