User talk:Kathovo

Jesus

Hello,

I am just trying with my bot and some manual editing to get consistent interwikis between fr:Jésus-Christ and fr:Jésus de Nazareth.

This is very complex. With your revert, interwikis are now inconsistent.

Regards,

Vargenau (talk) 11:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't de:Jesus Christus correspond with en:Jesus since they are both concerned with the traditional view?--Rafy talk 21:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Isa (name)

Thanks for intervening on talk page; If I were to have to go through things which have already been explained repeatedly before, I might not keep my cool... AnonMoos (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, Honestly I'm also growing tired of the discussion there.--Rafy talk 13:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

You kick ass

That is all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.168.226 (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I know.--Rafy talk 20:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Michael the Syrian's views on Assyrian continuity

Hi Rafy,

I've now had time to follow up the various references to Assyrians in Michael the Syrian, and have decided to become an Aramean nationalist.

As far as I can tell, Michael the Syrian would have called himself a Syrian or an Aramean, and seems to have regarded the Chaldeans and the Assyrians (in biblical times) as subsets of the Aramean people. The relevant proof text is as follows:

'With the aid of God we discuss the memory of the empires which were established in antiquity by our Aramean race, that is to say the descendants of Aram, who were called Suryaye or people of Syria.' (Chabot, translation, iii. 442).

He also says that that no memory of these ancient kingdoms has survived, because the relevant books were burned when these peoples became Christians (this is merely an inference from an incident recorded in the Acts of the Apostles, where converting pagans burned their books at the feet of the apostles). Here is the text in question:

'These primitive kingdoms [viz. Chaldea and Assyria] were annihilated by the kingdom of the Persians, which began with Cyrus and finished with the Darius who was killed by Alexander. The Persian Empire lasted for 231 years, and during this space of time every people throughout Asia was subdued and brought under Persian rule. After Alexander, we should also include the period of the descendants of Seleucus and Antiochus, who were styled 'kings of the Syrians'. Their dominion lasted for 220 years, until the Roman Empire began with Gaius and Augustus. At this period there appeared the Saviour of the Universe, Christ, the Son of God. So our people were without kings for 550 years. But when the lifegiving teaching of the Gospel appeared, this people adhered to it and professed it enthusiastically; and then they neglected and completely despised the other books, which contained stories about their ancient kings. In their ardent zeal for their faith, they burned all the books which contained the stories of their ancient kings, because the names of these kings and the series of their reigns were intermingled with the diabolical stories of their paganism. For this reason they turned their faces away from all these books, as though from a foul smell, and they burned them so that their memory should not be preserved by their children and by following generations. The book of the Acts of the Apostles alludes to this, when it says, "Those who believed brought the books of their fathers and burned them at the feet of the apostles, books whose value was estimated at a high price."' (Chabot, translation, iii. 446-7.)

Apart from noticing Michael's inability to add up (231 plus 220 does not make 550), I was struck principally by the fact that this passage demonstrates that, at least in the twelfth century, there was NO Assyrian continuity worth speaking of. The only people who knew or cared anything about the ancient Assyrians were educated men like Michael, who gathered what they knew about the Assyrians from the Bible and from learned commentaries on the Bible. Michael has to guess why no trace of these ancient empires has survived, and infers (he cannot know, since there is no surviving evidence) that the records had been burned.

It is certainly interesting to find Michael reacting angrily against Greek provocation by claiming that the Arameans/Syrians had a proud past, but I think it would be eccentric to read into him the idea that there was an Assyrian consciousness in the twelfth century. If we accept Michael's views, modern Assyrians should instead adopt an 'Aramean' identity and forge links with their fellow Arameans in the Syrian Orthodox Church. No, only joking ...

Djwilms (talk) 06:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Generous request

Hello Mr. Rafy,
I really appreciate your work, you have made some very interesting and unique contributions to WP.
As you may know already, my interest in the Arabic language made me interested in your File:Arabic Dialects.svg which is why I ended up doing much independent research on the subject because I knew the map needed a little fixing. I already posted the finalized updated file twice, but you don't approve b/c it's not a real SVG. To be honest I modified the image using microsoft paint b/c using inkscape would take me a long time as I don't know how to use it. But I should point-out that the version I posted was well researched and well sourced as seen on the file's talk page. Although it is not 100% perfect (and it never will be), I truly believe that my updated version is much more accurate than the original one posted, but I just don't know how to recreate it as an original svg. That is why I came here to ask you nicely if you could please recreate my finalized version as an original svg to make it the best Arabic dialects map ever! Thanks and bye.

(by the way, I'll also post this message on your wikimedia talk page just to make sure you can see it, but if you read this first then don't bother reading the second one)Moester101 (talk) 01:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hagarism

Please do not remove that information again. WP:WEASEL clearly indicates that "However, views which are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions if they accurately represent the opinions of the source." You first removed the sourced information based on the existence of a single exception. You then did it again when you asserted that the source didn't describe the book as generally rejected when in fact it did say it was almost universally rejected. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, but this clearly is attributed to reliable sources that use similar phrases to describe the acceptance of the book. The exception to WP:WEASEL thus applies. 98.227.186.203 (talk) 02:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

CVUA

Hello, Kathovo! The instructors at the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy have seen your hard work reverting vandalism, and we would like to thank you. But do you want to go to the next level? Would you like to know how reverts, warnings, reports, blocks, and bans all come together to keep this Encyclopedia free from disruption? Then consider enrolling today! Electric Catfish 23:43, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, I am your instructor! Your page will appear very shortly appear at User:Mdann52/CVUA/Rafy. But first, I need you to outline your experience and what you want to gain from this course. Welcome on board, Mdann52 (talk) 06:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Brock diagram

Nice diagram... History2007 (talk) 17:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks--Rafy talk 20:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Iraq

Hi Rafy. Could you take another look at the revision history of Iraq. There is some Arab nationalist POV-pushing and sockpuppetry going on. I've reverted it twice today already. Thanks. Irānshahr (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Contador11 (talk · contribs) (sockpuppet and single-purpose account) is edit-warring with everyone at Iraq. Irānshahr (talk) 19:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

saint from bahrain

Bahrani people: The Baharna (singular Bahrani, Arabic: بحراني ، بحارنة‎) are the indigenous inhabitants of the archipelago of Bahrain and the oasis of Qatif on the Persian Gulf coast of Saudi Arabia (see historical region of Bahrain). The term is sometimes also extended to the Shi'a inhabitants of the al-Hasa oasis. They are all Arabic speaking, and claim descent from Arab tribes. Their dialect of Arabic is known as "Bahrani" or "Bahrani Arabic," and they are overwhelmingly adherents of Shia Islam.

Bahrani people before islam: Bet qatraye sometimes also called (the isles) was the ecclesiastical province Kuwait, eastern Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Qatar several Christian settlements, both monasteries and churches, and have now been found within the province, including two in Kuwait, two more in Saudi Arabia, and at least one in Qatar[10]

By the 5th century, the Bet Qatraye was a major centre for Nestorian Christianity (which had come to dominate the southern shores of the Persian Gulf), with Samahij[11] being the seat of bishops. It was a center of Nestorian Christianity until al-Bahrain adopted Islam in 629.[12] As a sect, the Nestorians were often persecuted as heretics by the Byzantine Empire, but Bahrain was outside the Empire's control offering some safety. The names of several of Muharraq Island’s villages today reflect this Christian legacy, with Al Dair meaning “the monastery” or "the parish."

In 410, according to the Oriental Syriac Church synodal records, a bishop named Batai was excommunicated from the church in Bahrain.[13] It was also the site Bahrain of worship of a shark deity called Awal. Worshippers reputedly built a large statue to Awal in Muharraq, although it has now been lost, and for many centuries after Tylos, the islands of Bahrain were known as ‘Awal’.

Isaac of Nineveh bahrani becuse he born in historical region of Bahrain:He was born in the region of Bahrain.[1] When still quite young, he and his brother entered a monastery, where he gained considerable renown as a teacher and came to the attention of the Catholicos George, who ordained him Bishop of Nineveh far to the north. The administrative duties did not suit his retiring and ascetic bent: he requested to abdicate after only five months, and went south to the wilderness of Mount Matout, a refuge for anchorites. There he lived in solitude for many years, eating only three loaves a week with some uncooked vegetables, a detail that never failed to astonish his hagiographers. Eventually blindness and old age forced him to retire to the monastery of Shabar, where he died and was buried. At the time of his death he was nearly blind, a fact that some attribute to his devotion to study.Ashrf1979 (talk) 10:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

CVUA

Hi there, I noticed you haven't answered my query above. So, I would like to know if you want to start the course. If so, can you tell me your previous experience, and what you want gain from the course

Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 05:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reaction. I have replied to your request.--Rafy talk 20:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Isaac of Nineveh

Can you read in Arabic.--Ashrf1979 (talk) 03:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes.--Rafy talk 20:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Ashrf1979 (talk) 16:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC) نبذة تاريخية عن كنيسة المشرق في الجزيرة العربية والقطر البحري بيث قطرايي

الشماس نوري إيشوع مندو

http://www.ankawa.com/forum/index.php?topic=494444.0

المعجم البحراني الكبير

حسين محمد حسين الجمري

الديانة المسيحية في البحرين

http://culturebh.wordpress.com/category/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A9/

These articles are not written by academics and are thus not a WP:RS. Anyway, I can't find in them that Isaac was a native of modern Bahrain, as you know the region of Bahrain or Qatar extended along the western bank of the Persian Gulf and the modern Kingdom of Bahrain only formed a tiny part of it.

Secondly, being born in that region doesn't make him a Bahrani in the modern ethnoreligious sense i.e. Shiite Arabs of the Gulf states, not only this is anachronistic but it also doesn't take in consideration other possibilities namely that he was an ethnic Persian or Syrian, both whom historical settlements are well attested on various islands in the Persian Gulf.--Rafy talk 16:10, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

فكرتك خاطئة انا لا اقول انه من دولة البحرين الحالية فدولة البحرين الحالية لا تمثل الا جزء بسيط ومحدود من منطقة البحرين التاريخية التي تضم دول الكويت وقطر والبحرين اضافة الى المنطقة الشرقية والتي يطلق على سكانها الاصليين اسم البحرانيين ومن الثابت تاريخيا ان اسحاق النينوي ولد في منطقة البحرين التاريخية وينتمي لسكانها الاصليين ولا يوجد ما يشير الى انتمائه الى اصل سوري او فارسي اسحاق السوري هو قديس آخر كان يعيش في عصر قريب من عصر اسحاق النينوي اما اسحاق النينوي فكان يطلق عليه لقب اسحاق السرياني الذي ترجم في بعض المصادر بشكل خاطئ الى اسحاق السوري

(Our venerable father Isaac of Nineveh, also known as Isaac of Syria, is a 7th century saint known for his strict asceticism and ascetic writings.

St. Isaac was born in the region of Qatar on the western shore of the Persian Gulf. When still quite young, he entered a monastery with his brother

He is not to be confused with the other St. Isaac the Syrian, Abbot of Spoleto, who lived during the mid-sixth century (April 12). )

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Isaac_of_Syria.--Ashrf1979 (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Well of course Isaac of Nineveh is also known as Isaac the Syrian, just take a look at his Greek name (Isaac Syrus). Syrian doesn't necessary reflact relatedness to "Syria", it can also be used with ethnic end religious connotations.--Rafy talk 22:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

CVUA - New lesson!

I have set a test at your CVUA page for you - please complete it ASAP, and I will mark it and then tell you what needs to be done. Mdann52 (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Script bug

You can not call call "unexplained" or "without an edit summary" this edit[1], as you did. Debug your script or whatever tool you use. 62.147.11.238 (talk) 22:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac Diaspora

Hello Rafy thank you for your introduction! about the Assyrian Diaspora article I changed it because there are many Syriacs who consider themselves as Assyrians like myself! so to put it like this "Syriac-Aramaen" its wrong in my opinion, its better to describe it like it was before "Assyrian/Syriac" or "Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac" --Suryoye85 (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

National groups

Following the recent agreement on "Iraqi people" article and the consequent expansion of the understanding to articles on Syrian and other modern national groups, i think we should perhaps create a special template for national groups, rather than the "ethnic group" template used today and causing confusion. Do you have an idea to to create an infobox template of this kind?Greyshark09 (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't really mind using the ethnic groups template as long as it doesn't show them as an ethnic group. I've seen that the Israelis article employ a table instead of an infobox, this could be imitated there but as I said I don't really mind the current one.--Rafy talk 23:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The Arabic file

Hey Rafy, it's been almost 2 months now since I uploaded the updated file to File:Arab_World-Large.PNG. I thought you told me you would vectorize it and then upload it on File:Arabic Dialects.svg. I hope you didn't forget about it. Please remember to update it as it has significant and important improvements to the original version. Any q's just tell me man. Thanks and bye. Moester101 (talk) 04:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey Moester, I took a alook at the map but I found several inaccuracies imo:

1. Afar and Somali are not Arabic, not even Semitic actually.
2. I don't think Hijazi is spoken in Sudan and Eritrea.
3. Tuareg language is not Arabic.
4. Judeo-Arabic is actually a large host of different dialects and shouldn't be included at all since it denotes any variety spoken by Jewish. It could be thus Mesopotamian, Leventine, Maghribi, etc. depending on the geographical location of its speakers.

Regards.--Rafy talk 16:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey Rafy. As I mentioned earlier, I cited all changes to the map on its own discussion page, but since you focused on a specific few points I'll give you some clarifications. First you mentioned Afar and Somali as not Arabic. I'll have you know that I was in no way referring to their respective indigenous race or language, but rather I was referring to the fact that these people do speak fluent Arabic with their own distinctive dialect which is why I labeled them. In other words, my labeling of them is for the fact that they speak perfect Arabic of their own dialect, not of their own indigenous tongue. I also have their change sourced on the talk page. Come on now, have you really never heard Somalis speaking excellent Arabic?
Second you mentioned Hijazi not being spoken in Sudan in Eritrea, but that was not the point! I had labeled purple as "Hijazi AND Rashaida" which is a sub-dialect directly derived from Hijazi Arabic.....AND I have it well sourced on the talk page. Rashaida Arabic is spoken on coasts of Sudan and Eritrea, see the sources I provided for Rashaida on the talk page.
Third you mentioned Tuareg language as not Arabic. Again I'd like to use the first argument that I previously used for Somali Arabic which is that even though the Tuareg have their own indigenous Tuareg language (Amazigh), I was specifically labeling them for their very widespread ability to speak fluent and excellent Arabic with their own distinctive dialect, and also like all other changes I had this one sourced. Again let me ask you, have you really never heard Tuaregs speaking excellent Arabic? By now you should be noticing that none of my changes were randomly made-up, I had done my research before making the changes.
Fourth and last you mentioned Judeo-Arabic which is probably the only point that I kinda agree with you on. Except one thing though, why did you originally include Judeo-Arabic in the original map's key if you're so staunchly against it being included? If you really want it out then just exclude that one when remaking it, but don't discredited the entire map for it. Nonetheless I still think it would be a good addition even if it is a collection of all the other dialects, I guess you can just add in parentheses next to it that it is a collection of all other dialects.
Anyways, great talking with you. If you still disagree on something let me know. I think this map is really important and I want it to be perfect, if not for us then at least for the WP readers who deserve to see the best and most accurate maps which is what most WP readers focus their attention on. Thanks and bye! Moester101 (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I assume that some Persians also speak a variety of Arabic and thus need to be included as well. Otherwise the map should be restricted to native speakers of these varieties.--Rafy talk 13:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Massacre of Aleppo (1850)

Great thanks for creating the article. Really appreciated.--Preacher lad (talk) 13:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Khentrem :).--Rafy talk 13:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Some good faith?

I do not have one bad faith edition in WP. Have you seen many of my editions? How can you accuse me like this? --E4024 (talk) 22:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

OK my remark might have sounded harsher than intended, but by removing non-Turkish names you showed typical partisan behaviour.--Rafy talk 22:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Did you do the same to the user who reverted my addition of a Turkish name to Yerevan? Next time you do this to me better apologize... --E4024 (talk) 23:01, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Solluba

The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Phonecia

Hello,

I believe that Line 79 where it is stated Modern "Israel" should be at least changed to simply "Israel" this I say due to the fact that the "Israel" that exists today did not exist in the past and was only created in modern day "Palestine".

Secondly

Line 335, there is no such thing as an ancient "Israel" only ancient Palestine, I therefore believe the changes I made their should stick.

--عقيدة (talk) 19:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I also don't think that the modern political entities of Lebanon, Syria, Cyprus, etc. existed 3000 years ago, why pick Israel and keep them then?--Rafy talk 20:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I just stumbled on to this and I don't know what the context of this is so I don't know if what I say here will be of any help

Cyprus in addition to being a modern political entity is also an island, and the island of Cyprus existed 3000 years ago. Syria I think even before the creation of the modern political entity was a name used for the Northern Levant. The romans called it Syria. Lebanon as far as I know is only a modern political entity. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

A common practice in Wikipedia is to include modern political entities which were part of ancient ones in the infobox, see for example Roman Empire and Ottoman Empire. By the way, the name Syria first appeared during Hellenistic times, that is almost a thousand years from the time Phoenicia flourished, while the name Israel is certainly older.--Rafy talk

ziryab

Unfortunately some nationalists keep removing Persian from the article.. The article can be cleaned up with the sources intact — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.169.227 (talk) 23:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

...

Colossians 1:15-16

Merry Christmas!
History2007 (talk) 20:37, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please do not direct editors to discuss articles on your talk page

Rafy;
You recently left me a message saying that if I had any issue with your revision, to bring it to your talk page. I'll not be doing that.
Instead I'll leave a message on the article's talk page, which is where article talk should go.
This note is sounding way more churlish than I intend. Read it as if I have a silly voice, if that helps.
124.168.221.199 (talk) 04:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the section pending more meaningful discussion, see Talk:Festivus#Removal_of_trivia_section. Thanks for dropping me that note, it was kind of you, and totally above the call of duty. Every second sentence of mine today sounds grumpy, don't know why. Feeling groovy. - 124.168.221.199 (talk) 04:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Reverting on article Jesus

I have started a talk at Talk:Jesus#Recent Reverting of template. for the recent reverting.Thanks -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 19:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Isa (name)

Hi :) I'm wondering why don't you discuss your bold edits first instead of repeatingly trying to remove a well-cited sentence from EQ's paragraph? I reverted your edit per WP:NOCONSENSUS, as that policy explains that we must retain "the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit". Wiqi⁽⁵⁵⁾ 11:44, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Semitic 1st AD.svg

That that the borders have to be more or less approximate is clear. I just doubt that Amharic can be dated so far back. It's not only a modern language; ancient Amhara region is said to have been conquered in the 9th century AD and Amharic language only became the royal language in 13th century AD, spread mainly in the 14th century with a lot of conquests under Gäbrä Mäsqäl ʿAmdä-Ṣiyon. One might rather consider to separate (the predecessor of) Modern South Arabian, which is presumably close to Ge'ez, and Old South Arabian, which is presumably more distinct from Ge'ez. Anyway might be termed South Arabian instead of Southern Arabic, to avoid confusion... --Aferghes (talk) 00:11, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your remarks. I had a very vague idea of South Arabian and Ethiopic, could you give me more details on where were they distributed at the turn of the 1st millennium. I would appreciate it if you can provide references.--Rafy talk 13:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

The most recent publication on Semitic Languages including South Semitic I know is Stefan Weninger (ed.), The Semitic Languages An International Handbook, De Gruyter 2011, ISBN 978-3-11-018613-0.

On the question that Modern South Arabian might be closer to Ethiosemitic than Epgraphic (or Old) South Arabian cf. The Semitic Languages (2011), p. 1116: "This would leave MSA and ES as a sort of ‘core’ South-Semitic. And indeed, as Müller (1964) has already argued, these two groups share many features:".

On the division North Ethio-Semitic (Geez) vs. South Ethio-Semitic (Prdecessor of Amharic) cf. also doubts in: Rainer Voigt, North vs. South Ethiopian Semitic. I.: S. Ege et al. (eds.). Proceedings of the 16th International, 2009 in: Conference of Ethiopian Studies, vol. IV (Trondheim: NTNU-tryck), 1375-1387, online http://portal.svt.ntnu.no/sites/ices16/Proceedings/Forms/AllItems.aspx .

The Ethiosemtic Languagages were probably the Northern Part, i.e. the Geez part. My assumption that the Southern regions are probably later is based on historic sources that these areas were only much later conquered; cf. e.g. Taddese Tamrat Church and State in Ethiopia 1270-1527, p. 35 (Amhara in 9th century), p. 119ff. (further territorial expansion from 1270)

--Aferghes (talk) 15:56, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

There is a map on Ethiosemitic Languages (p. 1123) and on MSA (p. 1078) in Stefan Weninger (ed.), The Semitic Languages (2011), but the maps are of course of today (and not of 1st century AD). Generally MSA is east between today Yemen and Oman, and on the island of Soqotra.

--Aferghes (talk) 16:42, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the long delay. I have done the following:

• Renamed Southern Arabic to Old South Arabian.
• Removed Amharic.
• Split MSA and merged it with Ge'ez under the name South Semitic.

Is there any evidence that suggests that MSA predates Ge'ez and other Ethiopic Semitic languages or was a migration the other way around?

P.S. I have copied this discussion to the image's talk page. I think it is best we continue further discussions over there.--Rafy talk 16:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Assyrian International News Agency

Hi, Rafy. How are you ? Is this a reliable source ? I'm interested in Kurdish ethnocentric assimilation propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, AINA is definitely a partisan website and must be used with caution. I wouldn't use it as a main reference in any controversial issues myself but the website has its weight among many Assyrian nationalists, so a brief attributed mention can be useful to convey the POV of many Assyrians.--Rafy talk 15:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

An article for your interest

Read this article and request the remainder of it from the author. Enjoy! P.S., try not to get influenced so much by scholars who say the identity of our people is a relatively recent contraption, I've read many of your recent comments and it seems that you're slowly falling on the side that we are not what name says we are. Be strong, even when you find yourself in the minority at times my friend. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1721218 130.17.85.239 (talk) 19:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I will take a look at it. I don't think there are warring sides for me to pick one. --Kathovo talk 21:42, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Your editing

You wrote: "I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions, such as the one you made with this edit to Ivan Dias, because it didn’t appear constructive to me."

Constructive towards what? Please specify! I simply documented a fact about the media coverage on Cardinal Dias without commenting it in any biased way and thereby contributed to the construction of an informed resource on the subject. It is not up to you to decide for all the rest of the Wikipedia users which facts they might find helpful in their future research. If you doubt the stated facts, you can add alternative sources or start a discussion. So please undo your edit and restore my contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82a940v (talk • contribs) 12:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Could you please elaborate what encyclopaedic value does The Young Turks has to add to Wikipedia articles?--Kathovo talk 14:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Tychonic Model

It seems you do not understand why I removed the line and you are deleting other reliable references I have added to the article. I have had astronomy students incorrectly reference this article confusing the line to refer to special relativity and not a basic mathematical frame of reference transformation. The line appeared to be added by someone who supports modern geocentrism, which is not taken seriously in modern astronomy and reduced the strength of stellar aberration, which I added a reference for. ~ 70.177.229.154 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.229.154 (talk) 13:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I have zero knowledge in astronomy but I know that blogs are not a WP:RELIABLE SOURCE.--Kathovo talk 13:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Phil Plait is a professional astronomer and published popular science author. His Bad Astronomy blog was not self-published but published on the website of a science magazine, Discover Magazine. According toWP:RELIABLE SOURCE, this would place it under a news organization source. His article explains the removed line should be rewritten to avoid confusion with special relativity or stating Einstein supported a geocentric Universe. The reference for stellar abberation is from a online astronomy textbook written by Courtney Seligman, who is a former Professor of Astronomy at Long Beach City College. Stellar abberation is also described at Ron Nave's Hyperphysics website (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/star.html#c2), a web-based physics textbook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.229.154 (talk) 19:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Documentary about the Aramaeans

Hi there, on Youtube is an interesting documentary about the Arameans. Perhaps you are interested in it, but it is very long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymTsFU0n3U4--Aram342 (talk) 23:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I have seen The Hidden Pearl some time ago.--Kathovo talk 16:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

David Coleman

Please stop editing my changes to Mr. Coleman's page. The page is riddled with inaccuracies, not the least of which is that he is NOT an educational consultant. Please ask before you undertake any further changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.191.211.55 (talk) 17:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted your edits because you removed referenced sections which might be considered vandalism. Please provide an edit summary and proper sources in your future contributions.--Kathovo talk 17:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

"Reference sections that might be considered vandalism?" No clue what you are talking about. All I did was update his page with his actual profile. Hold your horses there, chief.

Removal of refs is vandalism.--Kathovo talk 17:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

From the wiki page on Wikipedia Vandalism: "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism. Careful consideration may be required to differentiate between edits that are beneficial, detrimental but well-intentioned, and vandalizing. Mislabelling good-faith edits as vandalism can be considered harmful." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.191.211.55 (talk) 18:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I've been reverting hundreds of suspected edits to Wikipedia over the past hour, how would I know that your removal of refs is done in good faith? Have you tried to use the article's talk page or the edit summary field to clarify your position?--Kathovo talk 18:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Kalamazoo College

Hi Kathovo, You recently called my edit to the Kalamazoo College page "unconstructive". I disagree. As a member of the Kalamazoo College branding and marketing team, it is very important to us that the Kalamazoo College logo is represented accurately as an orange block letter K. The seal is not to the same as the logo, and is reserved for presidential documents. Please let us make the change to the logo. Carolyn Zinn Kalamazoo College Information Services — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarolynZinn (talk • contribs) 20:55, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Wikipedia doesn't support external media. You can re-upload the new logo over the existing image yourself.--Kathovo talk 21:20, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

change to what objects can be seen from space correct

Hello, I beleive you change you removed from the wikipedia page i changed was incorrect. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_can_be_seen_on_earth_from_space that URL clearly states that my answer is true and accurate. I beleive this is very constructive details to the page i had edited. please return the information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.181.173 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Please try to post this in the article's talk page, I'm sure other knowledgeable editors can verify this claim better than me.--Kathovo talk 16:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

incorrect change

Career since the failed nomination

On August 24, 2002 Bonnie Campbell was both charged and convicted of public intoxication for an incident in Davenport, IA.[7] As of December 16, 2012 she has still not paid the $250 fine.[8]

The above information is not correct or accurate. This case refers to person with the same name as Bonnie Campbell but that person's birthday is 6/12/1963, where as the birthday for Bonnie Campbell for which this Wikipedia page focuses on has a birthday of 4/9/1948. These are two different people.

I have tried deleting the information, but it keeps getting reposted.

Please see https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/TIndexFrm. 173.18.202.207 (talk) 19:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

No problem I won't revert again. Just don't forget to write an edit summary next time. Cheers.--Kathovo talk 15:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

User talk:166.137.208.24

Hi, just came online to find a spanking regarding, of all things, a bear claw pastry.

I don't know if there is an elegant solution but this ip is part of a shared AT&T 4G data block so the user can change literally minute by minute.

Oh well, good luck correcting the dweeb who dislikes bear claw pastries.

Respects,

Someone who's never eaten, much less edited a bear claw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.208.30 (talk) 19:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

hi

Probably for you the content I've changed is not positive, but I live in Portugal and yes, its true what I wrote, people need to know, about this corrupt bastards, in their wikipedias they are all clean and perfect, but they steal, they don't pay taxes, they gives jobs to each others, like mr Passos Coelho that received 120M€ and declared 0€ of taxes, I don't see any of that on his page... was wikipedia made to inform or just this a lame database with no real evidence? Miguel Relvas got a graduates degree on a Saturday with equivalencies at all classes, Passos Coelho left University at 30 something and after that he got automatically promoted to CEO at a Miguel Relvas company that went bankrupt, after this failure, his friend Miguel Relves gives him another job again has CEO. So don't come telling me about positive comments, because there is nothing positive about this shit. We are tired of this fucking mob, people need to know whats going on.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.78.34 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Imagine if everybody with a cause writes something similar in other articles, we wouldn't call Wikipedia an encyclopaedia would we?--Kathovo talk 15:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Adnan Aroor article

Hi

I did leave an explanation on why I removed that part of the article as it is misleading and I quote my reason:

QUOTE:[The comment was taken out of context from the Economist article. Whomever picked that specific line attempted to portray that most, if not all Syrian Sunnis share Al-Aroors opinion; which is untrue to say the least. Not all Syrian Sunni Muslims share Aroors views and neither does the Economist article suggest such thing, The article was merely suggesting that Aroor's fanbase/followers is growing, mainly amongst Syrian Sunnis. ]

Are you the person who added this part to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumada (talk • contribs) 16:52, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not the one who added it but it is supported by the source and removing a referenced section just because you don't agree with it is considered vandalism.--Kathovo talk 16:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with it, the sentence was TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. Please dont put words in my mouth. Read my response and reply to it accordingly. Its like saying you can lie or distort the truth as long as you source it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumada (talk • contribs) 17:04, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Disruptive editing

Since you have added a similar note, you may have a look here! In addition you are welcome to join/contribute at WikiProject India.

Namaste, Kathovo. You have got at least one new message at the Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. Please continue the discussion there!
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You reverted me?

Why? Legoktm (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, looked like Rererererererererere was writing gibberish. Didtn't realise you got reverted as well.--Kathovo talk 20:52, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries :) Legoktm (talk) 15:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

VSCO

i was trying to add the official facebook page to the list of related links — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.182.205.88 (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Congratuations on graduating from the CVUA with 94% on your final exam! Good luck on your future on Wikipedia. Mdann52 (talk) 14:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Qaradawi edit explained in edit summary

Hi I actually did explain the edit in my edit summary if you review. So it is puzzling why you undid the revision without reviewing the content or the edit summary? But I can certainly elaborate. Just because a large chunk is removed, does not call for its' restoration as it fails to comply with WP:RS and WP:BLP. The addition of the material stems from an anonymous edit on February 18th, which relies on primary sources to support a POV. Hence the removal and restoration back to the last reliably sourced version. Best regards, Minaret13 (talk) 21:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Those parts seemed referenced by the Telegraph. Anyway I won't revert you since you apparently know what you're doing.--Kathovo talk 21:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Actually I did keep the Telegraph content. However, the section added actually used is onislam.net, which is not a reliable source. But I have kept the Telegraph sourced content, though I had to restore the wording and content back to the NPOV version before the anon edit. Hence the confusion. I haven't changed anything as such. Just restored to reflect as per sources. Thanks for your vote of confidence. Appreciated. Best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minaret13 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Mistake

Sorry about the vandalism on User:Julian augustine alexander. The user created my page and wrote a threaten message saying not to vandalize Katy Perry's page and I'm like why does this person think that I would vandalize Katy Perry's page, so later when I founded out who typed in the message by going to the view history tab, I typed in a message in the person's user page and it got deleted like numerous of times from other users, so I tried to find the person's talk page and then later I found it and typed in the message that I wanted to tell her about to not do it again or I'd report her. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I promise I will not vandalize someone's page even if they vandalize mine by typing me a threaten message. --Caccrop (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Maurice Tempelsman

Please, why did you do that? http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maurice_Tempelsman&diff=548525790&oldid=548524976 --80.136.45.216 (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC)