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April 1

Links in an email of a change in an article

Don't know if you can help. When a notice is emailed and it's involves a Disamb name, in this case Kevin Ware (basketball), and you click on:

See http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Ware_(basketball)&diff=0&oldid=548058195 for all changes since your last visit.

I think these links should take you to the right page and NOT

Kevin Ware

I am sure this a just a glitch in the system and can be fixed easily. Thanks for looking into. Kennvido (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Clicking on http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Ware_(basketball)&diff=0&oldid=548058195 takes me right to the "show changes" page for that page (Shows quite a few changes, of which some are details being removed and others are questionable things being added without a lot of references). — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 00:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia sends plain text mails and not html mails. There are good reasons for that. A plain text mail can only contain a plain text url with no link formatting. If the url is clickable for you then it is your mail software which tries to indentify url's in plain text and make them work as links. Your mail software probably guesses that url's end at parentheses so it shortens http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Ware_(basketball)&diff=0&oldid=548058195 to http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Ware. You can copy-paste the url to your browser instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Murder Trilogy

Not to be confused with the splendid write-up about the music, an e-book of the same title, provides entertainment by display of the stageplays of Frank Warren Swacker, based upon his books. members.authorsguild.net/fswacker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.82.251 (talk) 01:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

If this is a suggestion for improving an article, please post it on that article's talk page. I removed some of the tags in your post, since they were hiding the signature. RudolfRed (talk) 01:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Selfridge ANG Base Air Show in 1979

I am a retired USAF Vet. and I am trying to find out what month the Air Show was on at Selfridge ANG Base in 1979?. I have been looking for a long time and I have yet to find an answer. Please help me with this.

Thank you very much in advance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcholer (talk • contribs) 05:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

There's an on-base museum. You could contact them and see if one of the volunteers knows. http://www.selfridgeairmuseum.org/. Next time, ask at WP:RD. The help desk is for questions on how to use Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 05:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

You might also ask (email) <ruchniat@comcast.net>, who has pictures from the show on his site here. That was just the first of a ton of results from this Google search. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Editing templates

So I'm here just want to ask how I edit {{Singlechart}} because I wanna add Creative Disc to it. Can I? Ggdlmnt (talk) 08:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

You would need to ask Kww; it is a grotesque template.--Launchballer 14:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

According to the editnotice for the page (at Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Singlechart, it is *not* grotesque, it is hideously complex. There *is* a difference. (I just don't know what it is. :) :) :) ).Naraht (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

It might be better to leave a note in Template_talk:Singlechart and then put a {{talkback|Template talk:Singlechart}} on kww's talk page. He's added new countries in the past, there is a thread on the template talk page about adding in Poland.Naraht (talk) 15:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

How to use Wiki

How do we use Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.23.72 (talk) 11:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at Book:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. Roger (talk) 11:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Help with Template:Japanese episode list

I put an episode list (using Template:Japanese episode list) under the "Episodes" header in Gakuen Heaven, but it's showing up under the "Reception" header. What's the deal?--Atlantima (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed with this edit. The template documentation says you need this header and footer text above and below the template calls. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Atlantima (talk) 19:56, Today (UTC+1)

Infobox

Why can't i add an infobox on weidipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawchristinelaw (talk • contribs) 14:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

When using an infobox the parameters need to match those specified for that type of infobox; see Template:Infobox. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Please note that I have moved the article to From Hand to Art (disambiguation not reaquired), tidied up some of the formatting and removed the gallery of screenshots (they are copyvios and tagged for deletion as such at Commons). --ukexpat (talk) 15:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Using Text from or Own Organization's Web Page

Hello,

The Sophia Smith Collection, a women's history archive, would like to create articles on Wikipedia about the notable women whose papers reside in our collection. We wanted to do this by using the text from our finding aids - which we own the copyright to - as text for the article.

However, when we recently attempted to save an article on Dorothy Hamilton Brush, we were told we could not copy-paste information from other website. We understand and respect the need for articles to be original. However, since we own the copyright information to the text that we have copy-pasted, we were wondering if we could make it clear in some way that we are not plagiarizing, but publishing our own original information.

Thank you, The Sophia Smith Collection — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sscwmhist (talk • contribs) 14:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted material. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:45, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

And also note that even if the copyright issue is resolved, the material may still not be suitable for Wikipedia if, for example, the tone is too promotional. And, notability is determined by references to multiple reliable sources.--ukexpat (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll note that this is an apparently scholarly, curated collection of documents and photos in support of women's studies at Smith College, which, on spec, would be considered a reliable source, IMO. If the copyright issue is resolved, it would seem to be of substantial benefit to Wikipedia to not only have access to the images, but also some dedicated historians in the field working on our articles. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree it would be a valuable addition to Wikipedia. I was merely cautioning that fixing the copyright issue isn't necessarily the end of the possible issues.--ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Now admins have blocked the account per WP:ORGNAME (instead of maybe negotiating a new name to be moved to ).

@Sscwmhist: please see my comment at User_talk:Sscwmhist#Ruth Frances Woodsmall. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I thoroughly agree on the issue of the collection's websites being reliable sources. Archivists at my university have the authority to give permissions and release rights; if Smith College's archivists have the same authority, I expect that we would be satisfied with something like "The people using accounts ___, ___, and ___, have the authority to copy content from any of our web pages and release them under CC-by-sa-3.0 and GFDL". I've left some comments about the WP:GLAM process and asked them to do their best to be unblocked properly. Nyttend (talk) 14:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I think this would be an ideal case for a template specific to this organisation acknowledging the license pursuant to which the material is being released. If the permission is communicated to OTRS we will review it quickly to avoid any copyvio problems. There are a few donation-specific templates that someone could use as a model for something similar here.--ukexpat (talk) 15:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

First time edit/problem with <ref> in article

From "Killing of Travis Alexander," article states Jodi and Travis started dating in February of 2007, Jodi moved to Mesa Arizona. Factually speaking, and a key piece of information in the murder trial is that she did not move to Mesa until after they broke up.

As a first time editor on wiki, I added 'After the two broke up on June 29, 2007, Arias moved to Mesa, Arizona. Wiki comes back with Cite error: A set of <ref> tags are missing the closing </ref>; see the help page. Can u advise where I put <ref>??

For example,'After they broke up in June of 2007, Jodi Arias moved to Mesa, Arizona. <ref>http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/01/jodi-arias-travis-alexander-killer-romance<ref>

This right? Your help is greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SrGertrudeHarmon (talk • contribs) 17:50, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I've put some nowiki tags in here to make this question & subsequent ones visible. Without the nowiki tags, the unterminated ref tags make further material unreadable. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

No. You have to close with </ref>. <ref>http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/01/jodi-arias-travis-alexander-killer-romance</ref> --  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed it for you... — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • View signature as intended) 18:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Nacho Cano

Nacho Cano

I am the personal assistant for Nacho Cano of Spanish pop music band Mecano. We are trying to update his article and have been thwarted several times because we lack references. Is there a way to reference things in his article that are from interviews I've had with him or are things that are not in published articles elsewhere? The article has gone through various phases of authenticity and we would both like to have a valid and verifiable article on Wikipedia. Any suggestions, comments or further questions would help me right now as I don't even totally know what I should be asking in order to accomplish this. Thank you for your help! Lcblock (talk) 18:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

No. All your references must be published and verifiable. See WP:RS RudolfRed (talk) 18:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Text for a reference

I have been working on a stub article about Stanley Spencer (aeronaut). An editor on the Humanities Refdesk very kindly found a reference for me, from an old magazine at the National Motor Museum and transcribed the text onto a Userpage - User:Tevildo/MotoringIllustrated. When I quote the reference in my article, is it possible to link to the text on the Userpage, and if so, what is the best way of doing so? Alansplodge (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

First, understand that a link is not required for a published work; such a link is considered a convenience. You cannot use another Wikipedia page, especially a user page as a source. Since this particular work was published in the US before 1923, it is now in the public domain and can be transcribed to Wikisource and then linked. --  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

And to cite it you don't even need to link to the text. Just use the appropriate cite template, in this case {{Cite journal}}.--ukexpat (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok many thanks. I thought it would be useful to have a link to the text, as somebody trying to follow this up probably wouldn't want to visit a museum in rural England to read it. The Wikisource idea is a good one. Alansplodge (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Element Mobile

Hello,

I recently posted a request for edit to Element Mobile's talk page but my request was denied with no explanation. I am wondering if someone can assist me in finding out why this was denied and what I can do to get my changes approved.

Thank you Akbemis (talk)

You put this question at the top of the page, where few people will read it and it will soon be archived. I have moved it to here. Maproom (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

On March 7th, User:Fox Wilson replaced your {{request edit}} tag by {{request edit|declined}} {{Hidden|Edit request content| ... your request hidden here ... }}. He did not give a reason. This strikes me as unhelpful of him - rejecting a request often makes sense, but hiding it does not. I suggest you discuss it with him. Maproom (talk) 20:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I see now why he denied your request. You wanted to downplay the company's failure to provide an adequate service, and rewrite the article in a more promotional way. He was right to deny it. But his use of {{Hidden}} still seems unhelpful. Maproom (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

April 1 page

Hey! I saw your April 1 page. Have you been taken over by Conservapedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.70.90 (talk) 22:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

It's become traditional to have some fun here on April 1. There's an archive at Wikipedia:April Fools. No, we haven't been taken over. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Compassion

From what I read from the history of this topic getting deleted. The correct answer to the question the OP asked, assuming that it is not spam, is that they should probably on Talk:Compassion and/or Talk:Sympathy. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • View signature as intended) 22:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2

Re-asking a question from User_talk:Sundogs/Archive_7

I have asked if it is appropriate to have a user created navigational box for user sub-pages like I have right now (see my sandbox for all pages that I am working on) and I would love to have a navigational box for these sub-pages on my user tag on Wikipedia to use for the pages that I, or anyone, is working on? Is this okay by Wikipedia standards? The replier said that there wouldn't be any objections, but, I would like an Administrations concise approval or denial of this request. Thanks Sundogs ^{UserPage My sandbox} 00:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

As Huon (talk · contribs) explained, this is fine, provided you create the navbox as a subpage of your user page. This is an allowed use of your user space, as explained at WP:UPYES. You do not need administrator approval. For example, you could create User:Sundogs/My navbox and then use it as {{User:Sundogs/My navbox}}. There's an example at User:Sun Creator/Typos. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Question about the Novel Clean Up tag

I was on The Bourne Identity (novel) and saw the clean up tag for a novel. I stated in the talk page as I am now on this for general purposes, I have read the book many times over and came back to Wikipedia and started to look around and I saw The Bourne Identity novel has this clean up tag for a novel stating it is unclear for the reader about the plot or novel. As stated in the talk page, the plot is perfectly find and accurate and best summarize the book after re-reading the book for the upteen time. So, basically saying, may I remove the clean up tag? Sundogs ^{UserPage My sandbox} 00:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Be bold. If you think the article is improved and doesn't need the tag, remove it. RudolfRed (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Indian Premier League

Hello,

The Seven Network has been listed as the broadcast rights holder for the IPL in Australia for 2013 onwards. This is not accurate.

Can this please be removed from the Indian Premier League page?

Indian Premier League

I work for the Seven Network and am currently fielding numerous enquiries about this.

Kind Regards John Edwards Sport Product Manager Yahoo!7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.108.98.216 (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for bringing this up. I did some research online and it appears that you were right; based on what I found, it appears that the Indian Premier League is currently not being broadcast at all in Australia due to a legal dispute. I edited the article with the information I found, using a web article I located as a source. If you would like to take a look at this edit you can check on the information I changed. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 02:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I want to see my deleted media contributions

I uploaded a lot of images to the Wikipedia in the past 7 years, but the pages (and contributions) were deleted when someone moved them to Commons. I want to see a list of which ones I uploaded. (i.e. File:Michelle_McCool_with_title.jpg) Feedback ^☎ 00:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

You may wish to ask at commons if there is a way to track them. Village pump tech here or just the village pump there may know.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

They were uploaded here at Wikipedia though, so the deleted pages must still be here. If an admin could give me the names of my deleted file contributions, I'd be very grateful. Feedback ^☎ 01:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

At Special:Log/upload you can see uploaded file names for an account, including deleted files. If you edited a file page but didn't upload the file then it requires an admin to see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd like for an admin to be send me the pictures I uploaded at File:Puerto Rico Primo.jpg, File:Khali with a singapore cane.jpg and File:Jericho title.jpg so I can re-upload it with the appropriate license information that I apparently forgot to add some time ago. Feedback ^☎ 03:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I have temporarily restored them, but they will need some action from you to remain online. For the first two, are you <removed>? If not, then you will need to have them send a statement of permission to WP:OTRS. For all three, they are low-resolution and blurry, so unless they are used in articles, they are subject to deletion. Please add them to articles where you wish for them to be used. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

That's my wife, but IDK why I wrote her name. Man, I was such a fool 5 years years ago, using my full name as a user name and writing my wife's name online. Anyway, she might have took the picture, but I upload all the pictures from my camera as mine. I'm pretty sure my wife doesn't object to giving me the rights lol I'll just add my username to it. Feedback ^☎ 22:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

The permission form and addresses for OTRS can be found here: Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. Mlpearc (powwow) 05:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Toledo Mud Hens

I was reading the article about former players for the Toledo Mud Hens. I am positive that my grandfather, Kenny Grimes, brother of Ray and Roy, cousin of Oscar, and relative of coach, Burleigh, played for the Mud Hens. I was looking to see what position he played but can't seem to find any info. I know he was injured and eventually had to quit. Bonnie(Grimes) Parenti Uniontown Ohio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.203.251 (talk) 01:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

The best place to ask this question is the article talk page. Users who know this subject would be editing there and not necessarily see this post at all. Mlpearc (powwow) 05:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A Google search finds three entries one of which indicates he played short stop. The results are to articles at newspaperarchive.com which are by subscription. Not all people see the same text when they use Google so the shortened entry says "Kenny Grimes at short" and cuts off there, going on to other text. I can't imagine what the next word might be but "stop". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

The other two of your Google results, however, suggest that he was a pitcher ("Kenny Grimes did the flinging" and "Kenny Grimes did the hurling"). Perhaps he was a good enough hitter that he played shortstop on days when he wasn't pitching. Deor (talk) 15:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:RX may help with the subscription sites. You may need email turned on though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

adding omitted name to infobox re: movie Percy Jackson :Sea of Monsters

Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I added a name, but it doesn't display like the others & the message says "template does not exist." I've tried to figure out what to do to fix it, but it's beyond me. Is this something that you fix, and if not, what do I do? Esdras2 (talk) 06:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't show up because "visual effects" isn't part of the infobox film template. You can't just add any random field to an infobox. It has to be in the original template as an available field first. If you'd like it added to the template, the place to take up that discussion would be at Template talk:Infobox film. Dismas|^(talk) 07:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I would venture to suggest that a proposal to add such parameter would not succeed. We would be in danger of requests being made for every single production role which would make the ibox look like a movie's closing credits.--ukexpat (talk) 16:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

image not displaying

File:John McAslan.jpg

I uploaded the above image and then tried to replace: [[:File:King's Cross Western Concourse.jpg|thumb|right|John McAslan + Partners' Western Concourse, London King's Cross railway station]] which was an existing image in our page with: [[:File:R_121128_press.jpg|thumb|right|John McAslan]] the image that I uploaded with the link at top of this message

But all I get is a picture box with the text for a link to the image, it is not actually displaying the image, what am I doing wrong?

Thanks, alice Mcaslancomms 10:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macaslancomms (talk • contribs) 11:59, 2 April 2013

You have to use the exact name of the file when placing it in an article, the same capitalisation, punctuation, etc. The image file's name is "John McAslan.jpg", not "R_121128_press.jpg". Roger (talk) 11:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Walter Butts

Hello. The Walter Butts page has incorrectly listed his latest work. His latest full length book is Cathedral of Nervous Horses: New and Selected Poems published 2013 by Hobblebush Books. I am his wife, S Stephanie Thank you for correcting this info in advance. S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.9.254 (talk) 12:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I added a section header and a link to the article. Do you know of any Reliable Sources that document the above? I'm afraid Wikipedia rules don't allow us to just take your word for this, as we have no way of confirming who you are. Rojomoke (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I apologise. When I actually do a little research, it quickly becomes apparent that that is indeed a newer book than the one listed. I will update the article. Rojomoke (talk) 12:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

deleted article

I have a copyright on the name Polga (pole yoga) which is a form of yoga that I developed using a pole fitness pole. What is the best way to get my info on wikipedia so that it comes up when people search Polga? I have been dealing with several coypright infringements and just wanted to get the word out that this form of fitness is a copyrighted class and you must be certified to use the title Polga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polga (pole yoga) (talk • contribs) 15:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, the first thing is your username is promotional. Since you are closely related to the subject, any edits made on that "page/article" would be a conflict of interest, which requires special attention for involved editors. Out side of these issues the most common answer to your question is, If the subject is notable enough someone else will write about it. Mlpearc (powwow) 16:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

You might also benefit from learning the difference between copyright and trademark.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have anywhere in its purposes helping you get your product's name out: indeed, that would be seen as promotional, and specifically excluded. If your product gets written about in multiple reliable sources independent of you, then it may have an article, though as Mlpearc says it shouldn't really be written by you. --ColinFine (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

complaint

User BBB23 keeps changing things on my friend's Wikipedia page. What is his problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.50.68 (talk) 15:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you ask User:BBB23.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

John Napier

John Napier (designer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

We have tried to edit spouse for John Napier - the information is in a side box only - and we cannot edit off the page itself... how do we do this ? The side box says spouse: donna king M. 1984 they have been divorced 20 years - we can find no facility for a side box (right hand side of page) edit.86.141.173.110 (talk) 15:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

The article, John Napier (designer), does not mention Donna King anywhere in the article. GB fan 16:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Is there any way other than Chick skin to have a Wikipedia article take up the whole page width?

So today this message popped up "You are using the Chick skin, which is being removed beginning on April 15, 2013. More information." I really enjoy chick skin, and use it on all my wiki sites. The main reason is that I find it much simpler to read articles, when the text takes up the width of the entire page. I don't like having reading space wasted with menus and other distractions.

I also greatly enlarge the font, which creates problems with menus bleeding into article space.

IS there any way to have articles take up the entire width of the page on one of the approved skins- Vector, MonoBook, Modern and Cologne Blue?--Gary123 (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend

Hello,

I read the Martin Luther King: Letter to an Anti-ZIonist Friend article on here, and I believe it is inaccurate. Here's an article I've read debunking what's written on wiki about that.

http://www.martinkramer.org/sandbox/2012/03/in-the-words-of-martin-luther-king/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.76.167 (talk) 17:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

You should bring it up at Talk:Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Header

Hi Sir/Madam

I have created a wikipedia article on Amar Agarwala.(Amar Agarwala)

Can you please tell me when it will be available on google search if i search his name in google, How I can add his Photo, date of birth, birth place in his profile like we see all the details on a celebrity's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsrevolution (talk • contribs) 17:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Please see your talk page for an explanation. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

tem

please add encyclopedia georgian mineral water "sairme" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.104.101.122 (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It is a red link in Georgian_cuisine#Drinks now. It may be worthy of creation as a redirect. Should we create one? Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

source of edit

I am source of my edit it is my religion also there is article on Cherokee language (my grandmother cherokee) I am source would like to edit that too AniTsalagi people history kmown to me. Apana — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaguartemple (talk • contribs) 19:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

If I am source is information excepted if it my religion? what if information is study of ancient people that had oral stories-your ancestors and you are source? is info accepted?no way to verify — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaguartemple (talk • contribs) 19:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

You need reliable sources that are verifiable. See WP:42 for a summary and links to more explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 19:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Fortunately, the history of the Ani-Yuⁿwiya is better documented than most (although Mooney had his prejudices), in English and Cherokee. Oral traditions cannot be used as sources, since as you say there is no way to verify. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC) (call me Inali)

Reflist

How does one make a "reflist" to validate a <ref> entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.165.154 (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

add "{{reflist}}" to bottom of article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.26 (talk • contribs)

<references /> works too. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • View signature as intended) 23:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

.About Eduardo Galeano biography

Resolved

In the article about Eduardo Galeano biography, there is a paragraph that, next to his last name, it said Galeano "cara de ano" which is considered an insult. In spanish means "ass face" and this is a lack of respect for one of the best and most renowned writers of South America. Please, I beg you that remove it as soon as ´possible. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.30.215 (talk) 23:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I removed the vandalism. Good catch! Jusses2 (talk) 23:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

April 3

Replacing a .jpeg image with a .svg file

Recently, my attention was drawn to Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format, and I decided to help out. I converted a few images to svg, but when I went to upload them (file page-> file history -> upload a new version of this file-> choose file -> upload image) I received the error message: "File extension ".jpeg" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/svg+xml).". I tried editing the name of the file to xyz.svg instead of xyz.jpeg, but it wouldn't let me. How can I upload a new version of an image that is in a different format? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Platysvg (talk • contribs) 02:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If it is in a different format, then it must have a different name, and must be a different file. Upload the new version as a new file. --ColinFine (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

April Fools Image

Came across this (admittedly decently Photoshopped) image which was presumably uploaded for April Fool's Day:

Original: http://www.northropgrumman.com/MediaResources/Pages/Photo.aspx?pid%3DBS-50001_008%26rel%3D%2F%26name%3DPhotos

Not sure of the proper protocol for getting something deleted these days, so I thought I'd ask here. Thanks. Nrbelex ^(talk) 04:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's the 3rd of April now, so it's no longer of any consequence - until next year's fun. Roger (talk) 11:19, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's a non-free image uploaded pursuant to WP:NFCC but as it is not used in any article, it will have to be deleted. I have tagged it accordingly.--ukexpat (talk) 14:19, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Extremely long list in an article

Resolved

The list of notable alumni at Hollywood High School is extremely long (the actual length, not the amount of names); you'll see that it's more than twice as long as the rest of the entire article. (I'll bet it's Wikipedia's longest notable alumni list for a high school article.) I assume if it were a table, it would just need to be collapsed (with a show/hide button). But it's not a table; it's just a regular list. So can someone please turn the list into a collapsible table? I have no idea how to do it. Thanks! --76.189.111.2 (talk) 07:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Something has to be Wikipedia's longest notable alumni list. (I have no idea if this is or not.) Do you have a problem with who is included, or do you just think the section is too long? I don't understand why it needs to be collapsed. --Onorem♠Dil 07:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

(Original Research) It might well be that the most notable thing about the school is the number of notable students. (Not hard to imagine given the number of high schools that have articles just for existing.) --Onorem♠Dil 07:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hollywood High is one of the most "famous" high schools in the country, but my request has nothing to do with the the names/content of the alumni list; it's solely about the length of the list; it's way too long, particularly in relation to the length of the rest of the article. And MOS says to collapse a table that's too long. I'm simply looking for an editor who knows how to transform the list into a collapsible table. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 08:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I know that extremely long alumni lists for large universities, for example, simpy redirect to their own articles with something like "Main article: List of ABC University alumni" in its place. But again, those are lists, not tables; and they usually are extremely long. I don't think a high school alumni list should have its own article. I just think this one just needs to be collapsed so it won't overwhelm the rest of the article, which is pretty minimal. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 08:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Collapsible tables are pretty easy to create, but frankly, I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so with such a huge list. However, if you fancy doing it yourself, here's the formatting you'd need (with just the first four entries):

Code entered	Output produced
{| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed" !Click "show" to view list |- | [[Arthur Alber]] | Los Angeles City Council member (1912) |- | [[Anthony Anderson]] | actor (1988) |- |[[John Archer (actor)|John Archer]] | actor (1933) |- |[[Meredith Baxter]] | actress (1965) |- |[[Mary Kay Bergman]] | actress (1978) |}	Click "show" to view list Arthur Alber Los Angeles City Council member (1912) Anthony Anderson actor (1988) John Archer actor (1933) Meredith Baxter actress (1965) Mary Kay Bergman actress (1978)

Hopefully that's fairly self-explanatory; each new addition should be formatted as:

|-

| [[Name of alumnus]]

| occupation and graduation year

and don't forget the |} at the bottom. Have fun! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:13, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Yunshui. I'll do it. See, I told you it's extremely long! Haha. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 09:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I recommend putting the household names on the article and the rest in a separate list article.--Launchballer 10:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The usual procedure is to split such lists off to a separate page List of Hollywood High School alumni. Roger (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all the input. I took the guidance of the admin (Yunshui) and just spent a couple hours creating the collapsible table after marking this thread as resolved. So I just saw the additional comments. Leaving the "household" names in the article and then having a separate list elsewhere seems unnecessary and inconvenient, considering the rest of the article has so little content. And having a separate article where the list would be two or three times the length of the high school article itself doesn't seem as logical as simply having the collapsible table so that all content can be in one article. Again, this is an odd situation since there are probably very few (or no) other high schools that have as many notable alumni as this one. Obviously, some of the alumni are far more prominent than others, but all of them have their own articles and are therefore assumed [[WP:NOTE|notable]). Perhaps there are a couple whose notability might be challenged (as is the case with any long list of people), but I did a quick check of each article and did remove a couple bogus listings. Thanks again for everyone's feedback. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 12:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

{{mem}} is used to create lists of members, including alumni. --  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hannah Elizabeth Gwillim Whit

Hi, i am trying to change the main name to Hannah White.

is this possible?

thanks,

Lucy Stone Hannah White's Publicist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannah Elizabeth Gwillim White (talk • contribs) 10:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You are not allowed to write about yourself or anything that you may have a conflict of interest with.--Launchballer 10:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you are allowed to, but be careful that you do not violate any policies, especially the neutral point of view policy. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 11:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

And since this username is an impersonation of the real person, your account has been blocked. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

So, to sum up:

• You may not use that account with somebody else's name, but you are welcome to create your own account either with your own name or another name you choose, provided it meets the requirements in WP:USERNAME.
• You may put information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor on your user page, but it's not recommended to try and write an article there.
• You shouldn't put promotional material anywhere in Wikipedia.
• Because of your conflict of interest, you will find it difficult to write a satisfactory article about your employer. If you are determined to go ahead, read the links above, and then use the WP:Articles for Creation mechanism. Better, research to find the multiple substantial references to her in reliable sources independent of her without which an article will not survive, and post at WP:Requested articles --ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Walking distance

A number of articles state that various landmarks 'are within walking distance' of various stations, for example Benhilton church is within walking distance of Sutton Common railway station. Is there a hard and fast rule of what 'walking distance' curtails? My idea of walking distance is from my house in North Cheam to the Aldi in Selsdon.--Launchballer 10:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I used to do my shopping in North Cheam, many years ago... AFAIK, there's no offical measure for "walking distance", it's highly subjective. We shouldn't really be using it; it would be far better to state "landmark x is 700 yards (640 metres) from railway station y", if such a precise measurement can be sourced. Walking distance for me is about North Cheam to Ewell... Yunshui 雲‍水 10:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Toni Dalli

I wrote and asked about a song that Toni sang years ago,and i am not sure if I have done it right so that someone will see it and perhaps ,can tell me an answer, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patmayjam (talk • contribs) 11:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I've had to revert it because I'm not sure what you said and comments are not allowed in articles. You can post on the talk page if you wish. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 11:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually the best place to ask is on the Entertainment Reference Desk. The talk page is only for improvements to the article. Rojomoke (talk) 12:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. I'd forgotten. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 13:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

HMS Waterwitch 1892

Not sure if you can help. HMS Waterwitch 1892 has been edited by persons unknown. It is major and has deleted much of context related to ships early history and to her career. Obviously if I knew who the person was I could discuss via TALK but because they do not have a logon name it is not possible. Any suggestions? I have left a message on the HMS Waterwitch TALK hoping they will correspond.

Sidpickle (talk) 13:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's still possible to communicate with IP editors via their talkpages (User talk:2.101.37.82 in this case); I'd suggest leaving a message there asking him to come back to the article talkpage and discuss the matter - he's already left some comments. Whilst a lot of cited content was removed, it looks as though this editor was genuinely trying to make improvements by removing what he saw as a lot of extraneous material. The focus now should be on whether any of that material merits restoration; talk it through and see if you can't reach a compromise. If you're struggling, you might want to ask for a third opinion or even take it to dispute resolution - hopefully, though, simple discussion will suffice. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I expect he has reverted the article to his (or her) original version. I agree it was not vandalism but a difference of what should be in the article. I tried to put in the historical context of the vessel; she was one of the first ocean going steam yachts and she was 13 years old when the navy purchased her. The history of the ship during the survey career has also been taken out and a postcard cited as source data and even the web link to this is missing. I cannot really be bothered getting into discussions with whoever. I did look for his talk page but could not find it. The work I put in was to dispel the myth (published in the original article)that the ship was the White Ladye and he seems to have accepted that this is the case so some good came out of it. Thanks Yunshui. Hope you have some sunshine. We are cold and miserable in the UK. No sign of Summer! Sidpickle (talk) 16:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Delete Page: Joe Terranova

Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion

A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

reason

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Joeterranova (talk) 13:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks from the above as if you are somewhat confused. If you are saying that you want the article Joe Terranova deleted, that was already done earlier today. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I think he's bickering about it being deleted. Mr Terranova, the article was deleted because it was a copyright infringement, it didn't indicate its importance/significance and you shouldn't be writing about yourself.--Launchballer 15:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Confusing indeed. The article had been around for ages and recently came up at COIN. I stubbed and tagged it as it had been a copyvio for years. Joeterranova had already blanked it and tried to place a deletion tag on it, so I felt that deletion was perhaps the best option, since there were no non-copyvio versions to revert to (other than an unreferenced stub). Please let me know if you think I made the wrong call. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Good call.--ukexpat (talk) 17:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Subject deletion

I don't understand why my post about Bartech was deleted on April 2nd. It was written as an encyclopedia entry, was neutral in tone and mirrored another posting that Wikipedia has accepted: Manpower Inc.. Ccooper36 (talk) 13:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

According to the deletion log, it was deleted due to unambiguous advertising or promotion. Perhaps WP:N and WP:CORP would help you. Dismas|^(talk) 14:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If you sincerely believe that what you had added was neutral then I am afraid that you are very much mistaken - it read like a company website, which is hardly surprising seeing that large chunks were in fact copied directly from Bartech's website. As well as being unambiguous advertising, it was therefore also a copyright violation. Please do not post copyrighted material or advertising to Wikipedia again. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Would you please review my new submission and let me know if it meets the acceptable standards? Ccooper36 (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Here is a link for convenience: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bartech. Dismas|^(talk) 15:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

And again, it's too promotional in tone and most of the text is copied verbatim from sources such as this. Dismas|^(talk) 15:13, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's not copywrite infringement because I was also the writer of that press release. Those are the facts - what Bartech is, when founded, number of work assignments, etc. Also, how is this entry too promotional in tone and others like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manpower_Inc. are accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccooper36 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It is copyright infringement since the terms of that very page say it is. Copying it word-for-word is a copyright violation. Thanks and good luck ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Statements like "has led the industry for over 35 years", "Bartech improves clients’ market position through greater quality, efficiency, cost savings and transparency" and "That vision and ambition have made Bartech into a trusted global provider and manager of large-scale teams of skilled contingent professionals", among others, are all obviously promotional in tone. They might be allowed to stand if third party, independent and reliable sources had made them, but are unacceptable as they stand. The Manpower Inc. article has one unreferenced claim that may be considered propotional (about its Employment Outlook Survey) and even that is tagged as "citation needed". Rojomoke (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Although there undoubtedly are articles which are over promotional, that is no argument for everyone else to break the rules - please see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. If all articles are reduced to the lowest standard, we will spiral into total chaos. Arjayay (talk) 17:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If I delete these statements - can the rest of the submission be posted or are other corrections/edits needed? Ccooper36 (talk) 17:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

In one word - no. Have you read 'my first article'? You need to find sources (like newspapers) that talk about the company, and it has to be neutrally written. Based on your comment on the talk page before I deleted the article, you work for the company so this is likely to be difficult for you. It might be best to consider creating a short stub only referencing independent sources first of all. As for the current draft - due to the copyright violations it needs to be deleted. If you would like any of the text back drop a note on my talk page and I can email it to you. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 19:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Understanding of articles

Hi. I was just wondering if there was a way that people who write these articles could write them in lay-mans terms. I can tell they are full of information, but i lose my head when I'm trying to understand what it is I am reading. So if people could please start taking into consideration the "HOW" of how to write their articles then I think Wikipedia could be a lot more useful to people from ALL blocks of life. Thank-you.

TG — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.176.219.249 (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You might like to check out the Simple Wikipedia, but you won't find half as many articles there as on here. SmartSE (talk) 17:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Or any of the other languages if you're not fluent in English. Roger (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You are right, but there is probably no way to achieve this. Wikipedia is edited by thousands and thousands of people, some of whom are good at writing clear jargon-free text, and others who are not. Also, many articles are on subjects which are rather specialised, and it is very difficult (and possibly unhelpful) to write them in a way that the non-specialist can understand - I would hope that an article which was an overview of a subject would be clearer, but if you're describing a very specialised and details aspect of a field, it might make the article very long and repetitive to explain every time in layman's language, rather than linking other articles.

But more can probably be done, particularly in making the lede of articles more approachable. You are welcome to simplify articles if you think you can, and you are not losing anything important from an article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Please help!

I tagged this article: GNU C-Graph for CSD and now one of the two creating users (who I have reason to believe are the same person) is accusing me of having some sort of agenda. The two users are clearly affiliated with the company, the usernames are User talk:Visionat, User talk:Adriennegt, and IP 72.252.229.15. All three appear to be the same person, the creator of the software, Adrienne Gaye Thompson, as listed on the article itself. "adriennegt" is clear enough and "visionat" is the word "vision" followed by the initials of her first and last names. The IP is assumed to be associated since those three are the only contributors to the article. The accusations against me can be found at Talk:GNU C-Graph and User talk:Visionat. Will someone please explain (reiterate) to this user what COI is and why their article is not acceptable? Please help Gold Standard 18:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I have warned Visionat about personal attacks - their comments on the talk page are unacceptable.--ukexpat (talk) 18:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Would you mind looking over the article as well and see if you think my CSD proposal was accurate? and if not, what measure should be taken (AfD or otherwise)? Thanks, Gold Standard 18:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

This doesn't fit neetly into WP:CSD#G11 but there's no hope of it getting through AFD. I agree that the users are all likely the author - note the signature here. Considering that, and the fact that large parts are about accusations of theft and racism, speedy deletion seems then speedy deletion via G11 seems the best option to me. SmartSE (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Smartse. Would you mind leaving the user a note on their talk page explaining why the page was deleted and that you are an admin? I fear that otherwise the user will come back swinging. Thanks, Gold Standard 20:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes I will shortly - once I work out where to begin. SmartSE (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If they do, there's an app block for that.--ukexpat (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks to you both! Gold Standard 21:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Why are women being moved into a women's sub catgory but therre s no men only category

Novelists categories Category:Scottish women poets and Category:Scottish women novelists seem to be created so that the main categories are men only . What message is that supposed to give out to schoolchildren using wikipedia - novelist = male? Surely Wikipedia isn't really meant to that sexist? --FDent (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Historically, many fields have been men-only. Women partaking in these fields are cause for separate categorization. When men partake in historically women-only fields (though there are few), they are cause for separate categorization, Category:Male ballet dancers for instance. I don't view it as sexist, I view it as quite the opposite. Scarce2 (talk) 20:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Novelist is clearly not such a "traditionally male" field. Roger (talk) 20:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you are interested, WP:Cat/gender has some more details regarding this specific issue. Also remember that categories themselves are solemnly intended for easy access of information - If was looking for information on female Scottish poets i would have to wade trough the 334 entries listed in the Scottish poets category in order to locate the 34 women in there which is quite a pain. Note that categories are often not entirely complete - there are quite likely more female poets in that list. For the same reason categories sometimes don't exist. If someone were to look for female poets they would notice the missing category and end up creating it. Since male poets are much more common it is likely the "We really need that category for this" reaction would not occur. If you feel something is lacking though, feel free to fix it yourself. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

This can give rise to apparent incongruities though. For example, Elisabeth Moss refers to herself as an "actor" so that is, rightly, how we describe her in the body of the article, yet we categorise her in "actresses" categories. I am not saying this is wrong, but it can look odd to the casual reader.--ukexpat (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

To put it bluntly: Wikipedia isn't sexist, but reality is.

• If there was a "WikiProject Men's History", it would be a "redirect" to History. That's why there is WikiProject Women's History
• If there was a "WikiProject Men's Sport" would be a "redirect" to Sport. And that's why there is WikiProject Women's sport

Does that clarify things a bit? Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

article for creation is stuck

I have an article that is ready to be reviewed: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Conrad Bergendoff

However it has been a long time and it has not been approved. Is something wrong?

sbeattie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbeattie (talk • contribs) 19:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The article itself was never up for review - due to an incorrectly closed reference tag the review request template was never added and as of such the article was stuck in the limbo (Or rather: never waiting to be reviewed). I've corrected that issue, and it is waiting for review now. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Portishead Facebook Page

Has been created by Wikepedia....how can I take it over? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.119.190 (talk) 20:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Nobody at Wikipedia created the page on Facebook. It is Facebook's users or administrators who create such pages by copying some information from Wikipedia. You can ask for advice at the . Roger (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You could also edit whichever page on Wikipedia you're talking about - perhaps Portishead, Somerset or some other page - and improve it by adding information supported by reliable sources (see WP:REFB for how to start on that). Probably Facebook's page will update to reflect those changes, either immediately or after some time. But that's up to them, not up to us. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Jacksonville Oregon

Hi, there are no museums any longer in Jacksonville OR. It would be great if you would remove the references as they are now inaccurate.

Thank you , Jan Garcia , City Recorder, Jacksonville OR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.41.80 (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism of the page covering me

Steven Kropper (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The wikedia page about me has regularly been vandalized. It happens every six months. Can you advise how I can prevent this. Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Skropper (talk • contribs) 22:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Every six months is very infrequent compared to some articles. If it was continuing currently we could request that the article be locked, but that would be inappropriate in this current circumstances. Many of our editors monitor recent changes specifically for vandalism and it it usually caught and reverted pretty quickly.--ukexpat (talk) 01:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Steven! I'm sorry to hear that you have been having vandalism issues with the article about you. I've taken a quick peak at the revision history, and noticed that you have edited the page about you. This is sometimes seen as an issue although I'm sure it was with good intent. The first thing I recommend you do is add {{COI}} to the top of the article, which basically says that a non-neutral party (you) have edited the article. It also says that someone else may want to verify the changes that you have made, and add reliable external sources to back up the changes. I notice that your page also has an "issues" banner which says that it lacks reliable references. I'm sure that there is no-one that knows better than you what journals, papers, articles, tv interviews, or whatever that you have been featured in. I would include a list of those references on the talk page to give any neutral party the best chance of improving the article and preventing it from being nominated for deletion. If you feel that the general consensus of other people of the content of the vandalism would be considered incredibly offensive, a personal attack, abusive, or threatening you may request that the page be semi-protected by Requesting page protection. I would request it be a semi-protection to block all unregistered users from editing the page. I hope this helps! Technical 13 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

April 4

YouTube

What is the copyrite policy of Wikipedia related to YouTube materials? Is it allowable to place references to YouTube in the lists of external references?Сергей Олегович (talk) 03:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

YouTube is seldom a viable reference. Partial exceptions are made when the links are to YouTube videos placed by known reliable sources and do not violate copyright. It is seldom that a YouTube video tells us anything which could not be more usefully conveyed by sourced text. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed answer.

Re: Reliability. In general, I agree with you. But in this particular case I am speaking about documentaries of BBC, National Geographics and similar establishes sources. In particular, the documentaries on history of USSR, WWI&WWII, Cold War etc. This sources often provide much more wide picture then written texts available in Russian at the moment. So I see it as consistent with the POV principle to list references to such materials in the lists of Exernal links (NB: not as references) in corresponding articles.

Re: Copyright This issue is the most important for me at the moment. The said above links sometimes get deleted on the basis of supposedly copyright breach reasons. Most frequently this happens in articles on history episodes which are still highly controvercial in Russia (Stalin's legacy, Gulag, Communism, etc.). I consider this as POV breach on formal pretext.

My question is: is there any copyright policy of Wikipedia that prevents using links to YouTube. Сергей Олегович (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You should not link to any content that is itself a copyright violation and many YouTube videos are. Basically, if you see a BBC/National Geographic video etc. on YouTube and its not uploaded by the channel itself, you should assume it's a copyright violation unless you have good reason to believe otherwise. See Viacom International Inc. v. YouTube, Inc. for an indication of how widespread it is. For the policy statement, see WP:ELNEVER.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Matthew Price (ice hockey)

Hi. On the 30th March 2013 somebody vandalised the page "Matthew price" Ice hockey player. Can you please revert the page to the date prior to 30 march 2013.

Regards Jane Hamilton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.91.26.226 (talk) 03:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 03:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The Sims Task Force Re-Branding Vote started on 3 April 2013

I wanted to know how long should I keep this topic vote open. We are a very small group, around 25 to 30-ish members, and today April 3, 2013 I opened the floor about re-branding The Sims Task Force, a Wikipedia's Project under Video Games project, and as noted above, stated two options between re-branding to Maxis Project or Electronic Arts Project with voting lines open and discussion about which way should we go. May question is what is the typical length of consensus period? The link to the poll is located here for your reference. Sundogs ^{talk page sandbox} 04:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

How to provide reference? should I give reference of persons or institutions please guide me

m — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drsbcwiki (talk • contribs) 05:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

See reliable sources and referencing for beginners RudolfRed (talk) 05:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Footnotes, but not for sources

Is there a specific order in which we should use footnotes on Wikipedia? I'm not referring to <ref> tags, but rather the use of *, †, ‡, ^ or other typographic symbols, in lists. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 08:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Such symbols are not used at all, typically such notes would be "referenced" by a superscript ^{Note 1} which links to the footnote. See method D at WP:EXPLNOTE, it is the most commonly used method to sort references and explanatory footnotes into separate lists. Roger (talk) 09:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I need to add {{efn}} to that section: they are very useful for tables. --  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 09:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I didn't mean footnote, I'm not sure what the right term is. They're used in keys for lists. Regardless, these absolutely are used when the MOS is adhered to, per MOS:ACCESS. In order to comply with this subsection, they are necessary for accessibility for blind readers. Take a look at recently approved featured lists such as List of songs recorded by Cheryl Cole (dagger and purple bg colour), or List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Chaminda Vaas (asterisk, dagger, double dagger, and which uses them instead of colour) and you'll see what I mean. But I'm not sure which to use, and in which order, is the issue. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 09:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Typographic footnotes are rather quaint; the order and symbols depend on which method you use. One method uses:

* ⁑ † ‡ ** ⁑⁑ †† ‡‡ *** ⁑⁑⁑ ††† ‡‡‡

Other methods include the use of parallels ||, the pilcrow ¶ and other symbols.--  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 09:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Stefan Jovetic

hi

can You semi protect stevan jovetic profile so it doesn't get vandalized thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Regan89 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Requests for page protection must be made at WP:RPP--Ushau97 ^talk 12:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Simplified Chinese

Header inserted --ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Good morning! I am attempting to edit your article "Perfume River". When I attempt to paste my original article with traditional Chinese characters, Wikpedia changes them to simplified characters. How do I keep the original characters? Thanks Tfailmezge (talk) 14:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Long Sentence Pop-up help

Hi, I am editing a wikipage with a lot of contents and long sentences. I am wondering how I can fit in short sentences and when the reader places the cursor on these short sentences, a long sentence will pop up to describe the short sentence better. I do not want to link it to a new page though. Thanks for the help in advances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.57.212.13 (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I take it you mean a Wikipedia page (since this is the help page for Wikipedia editing). That is not the way Wikipedia articles work. It would be preferable to rewrite the article with shorter sentences. Which article do you need help with?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Reference Page

I need to make edits to my reference Page but I cant locate it withing my Wikipedia write up it just says {{reflist}} but i dont know how to the page to edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.51.178 (talk • contribs) 15:44, 4 April 2013‎

The details of the reference are contained in the section of text which is being sourced by the reference. If you click on the caret (^) alongside the reference number in the reference section it will move the cursor up to the relevant piece of text where the reference number is called up. Click the edit link at the top of that section to edit the section. You may find it useful to read WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Shakespeare's first term 'strange bedfellows' in "The Tempest"

Hello,

I was looking up the original source of Shakespeare's term "strange bedfellows" and did not see it in your lengthy list; however, could you please add the reference (a shortened version, of course)-The Tempest--Act 2:

As the storm resumes and thunder sounds, Trinculo is forced into the nearest shelter, which happens to be Caliban's gaberdine (a loose-fitting cloak). As Trinculo famously puts it, "misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows," and he uses the phrase more literally than we do. He must, to avoid the storm, actually lie down with the petrified Caliban (who thinks Trinculo a tormenting spirit) and share his garment as bedclothing. Trinculo's "strange" can mean either "foreign," "unknown," or "odd," while we use "strange" only in the last sense. We've also adapted the phrase to more metaphorical uses, meaning by "strange bedfellows" unexpected partners.

Source: enotes.com/study guides/Shakespeare quotes

Sincerely,

--74.104.138.130 (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2013 (UTC)Bev Cormier Ritz, Boston, MA

P.S. I refer to "Wikipedia" often for my research and find it to be a site with a "wealth of information"! Thanks.

Where exactly is the "lengthy list" you refer to? I presume you want to add the information about the phrase to it. Roger (talk) 15:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Fullscreen video problem

In Signpost here, there's a video of a frog eating a beetle. It plays OK. But if I double-click to make it full-screen, I see a completely different video, which says it is "A-Secreted-BMP-Antagonist-Cer1-Fine-Tunes-the-Spatial-Organization-of-the-Ureteric-Bud-Tree-during-pone.0027676.s011.ogv".

I suppose it's a bug, haha. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

What browser are you using? It seems to be working fine for me using FF 19.0.2 Technical 13 (talk) 16:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I am using FF 19.0.2 88.104.28.176 (talk) 16:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

OH! I just figured out what you are doing... That is not the fullscreen button. That is wikimedia's thumbnail enlarge button, I know, it is confusing. What is the difference, right... The "fullscreen button" only appears if you mouse over the video, and it appears as an "X" with arrows at all four points. The thing you "thought" was full screen that looks like a window nested inside of another window is actually just a link to take you to the page that the file is located on. Technical 13 (talk) 16:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

File:A-Secreted-BMP-Antagonist-Cer1-Fine-Tunes-the-Spatial-Organization-of-the-Ureteric-Bud-Tree-during-pone.0027676.s011.ogv is later in the page. There is a full screen icon with a four-way arrow. That works for me. But if I double click an image from a video then I get full screen for the latest video I had played, regardless whether it was that one I double clicked. I don't know whether this is a bug or expected behaviour. I also use FF 19.0.2. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I had the same experience. --  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

• PH and G850... See my post right above yours... I figured out what the user was doing. Technical 13 (talk) 17:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

No you didn't. As the IP said, and me and G850 replied to, it's about double clicking the image. It's not about clicking any button, and the button you mention has a completely different result from what the IP correctly said happened. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I just double-clicked for full-screen - which is pretty much standard, for YouTube, BBC iPlayer, VLCPlayer, Windows Media Player, and various others.

Surely, if it's bringing up completely the wrong clip, there's some problem with it. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Updating Dick's Last Resort

Hello, I work for Dick's Last Resort and have been tasked with getting our correct logo and menu items, as well as an updated description of our company on the Wikipedia page. What is my best way of getting our current info up? The logo and several of the menu items are extremely old and no longer represent the company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddmurphy (talk • contribs) 16:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI and WP:PSCOI for how to edit when you have a conflict of interest. You can request that the logo be uploaded at WP:FFU. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Dick's Last Resort (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

On the article talk page, create a new section - you can use this link.

Put {{request edit}} (just like that, with double curly brackets) and then explain the changes you'd like. Give links to the logo and references to support any of the facts.

Also, it'd be a good idea to read WP:BESTCOI. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 18:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

HELP WITH SOME BOXES

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I made some changes on the WP U2 page but then it chaged its original format. the the Wikiproject box, the Quick links box, the discussion pages box and the Statistics box went to the bottom instead of staying the right where it always were. Please, help me to undo this but keeping the new adds

See, this is where I add and I need to keep it there:

  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I see that you asked the same question at WP:EAR. Please don't ask the same question in more than one place, as it leads to a mish-mash of answers. I have archived that question. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Archiving this one too as it is being handled at WP:THQ.--ukexpat (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Log in

Hello, I created an account. I do not believe I used an e-mail to register this account and the password is not working. How can I access my account? I am trying to create a page for my company. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.193.1 (talk) 18:00, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You can't. You would need to create an account and then go through the usurpation process.--Launchballer 18:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

And don't create a page for your company unless reliable sources show your company is notable. See WP:CORP for guidance. Astronaut (talk) 19:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, it is strongly recommended that you do not create a page for your company. Please read WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Thanks, Gold Standard 22:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

txting

what does -:) means in txt messaging· — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.74.220 (talk) 18:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

It's probably a guy with a mohawk smiling.--Launchballer 18:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Please don't use the help desk incorrectly. This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. For other types of questions, use the search box or the reference desk. Gold Standard 22:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Darcy Ward

Darcy Ward (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Sirs

Why have my perfectly reasonable edits to the above page been subject to re-editing and why have I been subject to threats? removed unreferenced claims about a living person - 88.104.28.176 (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC) Wikipedia also, disgracefully, allows the young lady in the sexual assault case to be labelled as "drunken".

D A Farrar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subedeithemongol (talk • contribs) 18:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You will need to cite a reliable source that that is indeed his nickname. I have also removed the other alleged nickname pending sourcing.--ukexpat (talk) 18:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page.[1] Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States, to this policy, and to Wikipedia's three core content policies:

   Neutral point of view (NPOV)
   Verifiability (V)
   No original research (NOR)

We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source

Read on, at WP:BLP.

The only 'threats' I can see are warnings on your user talk page. If you add unsourced negative information to an article about a living person, you will be blocked. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 18:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

P.S. That applies here, too - so I removed part of your original message. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sirs

A reliable source for my comments pertaining to pleading guilty to drink and drugs offences:

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/10240453.Speedway_star_Darcy_Ward_fled_police_while_drunk_and_on_drugs/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subedeithemongol (talk • contribs) 19:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, but you absolutely must use a reference for claims like those. If you need help with how, see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

But we also need to consider how much WP:WEIGHT we give to that in the article, if any, even if there is a source.--ukexpat (talk) 19:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

New page didn't appear at Special:Newpages

I just created Ɛ́ as a redirect to Latin epsilon; it's an accented version of Ɛ, which already redirects there. The time of its creation was 20:12, 4 April 2013, but to my surprise, it didn't appear at Special:Newpages. Here are four consecutive entries on Special:Newpages:

20:13, 4 April 2013 ‎Dahaneh-e Zurak (hist) ‎[1,817 bytes] ‎Carlossuarez46 (talk | contribs | block) (create) 
20:12, 4 April 2013 ‎Deh-e Rud Musevi (hist) ‎[1,719 bytes] ‎Carlossuarez46 (talk | contribs | block) (create) 
20:12, 4 April 2013 ‎Deh-e Bazuiyeh (hist) ‎[1,708 bytes] ‎Carlossuarez46 (talk | contribs | block) (create) 
20:11, 4 April 2013 ‎Save, Rwanda (hist) ‎[5,150 bytes] ‎Aymatth2 (talk | contribs | block) (initial stub)

Why wouldn't it appear? Is it perhaps because it's such an unusual title? I notice that Ɛ́ takes longer to load than most pages (especially redirects!), so I wonder if the software can't treat it normally. Nyttend (talk) 20:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks like redirects are hidden by default. Near the top of the page there is a "show" link to show them. If I click that link I see the page you're asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 20:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Duhh...Sorry about that; I completely overlooked the link you mention. Nyttend (talk) 20:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what to do re: upset new editor wanting to own an article

Resolved

 – Yotsume (talk · contribs) blocked

I'm not sure whether this is serious enough for ANI so I'll ask here first. Yotsume (talk · contribs) is a new editor and has added a lot of content to the Anma article. He appears to have a conflict of interest, since he runs a website on the topic and has pasted text from said website to the article, as well as adding it as an external link and using a book he wrote as a reference for the article. When I made some minor edits to the article, he left me a message that indicated he wished to own his contributions (e.g. "Being that I am one of only a handful of fully certified "Anmashi" (anma practitioners) in the USA certified in Japan I would like to ask that you consult with me before altering my hard work"). I left a polite message in reply on his talk page, and he responded by deleting most of Anma, saying "due to the continued destructive edits being done I have now taken down all the info I had posted and no longer support the use of my info about Anma on wikipedia." When I reverted the deletion, Yotsume, now editing as 24.251.176.159 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), said "What the heck do you think you are doing restoring info I deleted to the anma wiki!!! I posted it first and now have decided to no longer support wikipedia. I am no longer going to allow the info to be posted. I will have the owners of the info including my self pull their copyrights and contact you directly to have the info removed permanently!!!" Furthermore, he blanked his user talk page and re-deleted the sections from Anma.

If someone could advise me on what to do, I'd really appreciate it. I'm thinking that Anma should be semiprotected until this situation calms down. --Atlantima (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You need to be more selective with your own edits;

When you did this, you added unreferenced information like, Anma is one of the oldest forms of massage in the world and it is the oldest form of bodywork in the orient.

You can't do that = see WP:BURDEN.

However, you are totally right to remove the copyrighted text; and if the user adds it back they should be warned/blocked. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 22:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Nm, user has been blocked, meh. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 22:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't write that text or any of the other "unreferenced information". If you'd bothered to look at the edit history, you'd see that I actually added a request for references to the very section where that claim is made. My only edits to the article are:
A. formatting (e.g. wikilinks, Japanese term templates)
B. adding tags (e.g. cite needed, close paraphrasing)
C. wording changes (e.g. "Each category of techniques allows you to work the body in a uniquely different way." to "Each category of techniques is meant to work the body in a unique way.", "Another use of Anma techniques is the cultivation of the therapist's own health. As a whole human beings have grown very weak in health, endurance, and we use less of our brain's capacity...." to "Anma techniques are also said to improve the practitioner's own health and mental well-being."
D. reverting Yotsume's mass deletions (The diff you linked falls into this category)
E. removing Yotsume's external link --Atlantima (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

If you'd bothered to read what I wrote (BURDEN), you'd realise that 'reverting' is adding, and you can't add unref'd info.

I'm not saying you were the major problem here, I'm just suggesting you watch out when undoing things. 88.104.28.176 (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You say that I "added unreferenced information". I'm telling you that he added it, I added "needs references", he deleted it and the unreferenced tag, and I reverted the deletion. You have equated tagging statements as unreferenced to "adding unreferenced information". What would you have had me do? I could have not reverted, leaving the page devoid of everything that Yotsume deleted, which included referenced claims. Or I could have tediously combed through the wall of text and make sure that everything has references. Surely the BURDEN was Yotsume's to reference what he wrote.--Atlantima (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

In any case, I can't do jack about it now, since the page is now fully protected for the next week. Which seems a bit overzealous.--Atlantima (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

No.

"he added it, I added "needs references", he deleted it and the unreferenced tag, and I reverted the deletion".

Note the bold part; the rest doesn't matter.

You added something unreferenced to an article.

"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source".

Even if it's reverting something.

88.104.28.176 (talk) 23:04, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

no answer to semi protected edit page

hi,,,i wanted to edit on best selling album page, so I placed my request along with the semi protected edit template on the talk page so that someone who is autoconfirmed can make the change with the source I cited ( m. Jackson History past ,present, future) ,,,but that was a week ( 6 days ) ago and nothing has happened,,,,,help.......--65.8.188.32 (talk) 22:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You only have two edits and neither of them is on a talk page. Perhaps you made the request under a different IP or when you were logged in, but it is not clear from your two edits which talk page you are referencing. Furthermore, I don't think that http://fanofmusic.free.fr is a reliable source. The site is simply credited to "Guillaume" and "Johan", with thanks to "Nelson, Hanboo, Pierpinto, Edu, Davidalic, Mario and all the others." Self-published fan sites, which that appears to be, are not reliable sources. --Atlantima (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

My guess is, it was "History Past Present Future was taken out of the best selling album page" this?

In which case, see the response here - "you haven't provided a reliable source". 88.104.28.176 (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_best-selling_albums...its this page and its at the bottom,,thanks,,,,--65.8.188.32 (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)