Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somaya Reece (4th nomination)

Somaya Reece

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Frequently recreated article that has zero independent reliable sources and fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. The past two AfDs have reached a consensus to delete the article; no independent reliable sources have been found since then and the article was last speedy deleted in January. VH1 is not an independent source for someone on a VH1 reality show. - Sudo Ghost 16:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Proposer's claim of zero sourcing is false. VH1 is a reliable source for the appearance of someone on a VH1 reality show. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say "zero sourcing", I said zero independent reliable sources. Articles require independent sources, and VH1 is far from an independent source, so that doesn't do anything for the notability of the subject. - Sudo Ghost 18:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
VH1 is independent of Somaya Reece, despite her appearance on a show on the network. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In no way is VH1 independent of an individual on a VH1 reality show, especially when this is the reference in question. It exists solely to promote the show. The claim that this is an independent source is completely inconsistent with Wikipedia's standards on independent sources, so how exactly do you figure that this is an independent source? - Sudo Ghost 20:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Somaya Reece is not VH1. Somaya Reece is not the CEO, president, or other officer of VH1. Somaya Reece is not VH1's publicist. Etc. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Somaya Reece is not VH1" is a critical misunderstanding of independence; VH1 has a vested interest in the individual, and stands to gain by promoting the show and the individual's connection with VH1. An interest in a topic is vested where the source holds a financial or legal relationship with the topic; VH1 has a conflict of interest, hardly independent. The individual's profile on VH1 is due to being on a VH1 reality show, hence it is not an independent source. When you say that "Somaya Reece is not VH1," what you're describing is WP:ABOUTSELF, not independence, at least not any definition of "independent source" that has ever been used on Wikipedia. - Sudo Ghost 20:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. A borderline case, but the lack of solid, independent secondary sources cements my !vote. Gamaliel (talk) 01:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added six more cites. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All of which are trivial coverage, barely mentioning her name in passing while the articles discuss other subjects; articles require significant coverage, those sources don't have it. - Sudo Ghost 15:36, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not surprised at your assessment of those sources, since they don't meet your desired conclusion. However, they do show the subject's notability, and you must have missed the Orange County Register and Fresno Bee articles, which are about this topic in particular (so your claim of "all" is objectively false). -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw those references, they do not meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Those are local puffery pieces that add nothing to notability whatsoever; local "feel-good" news about an after school program does not warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia, especially since that is not what this subject is supposedly known for by any means. It does not behoove you to comment about "desired conclusion", since you have argued to keep the article in all four AfDs, and have been the first person to comment on the past three AfDs, using rationales that have no basis in Wikipedia policy whatsoever. This appears to be nothing more than bombardment in an attempt to make the article seem notable. If the subject's claim to notability is Love & Hip Hop but does not have actual notability herself, then it makes sense to redirect the subject to that article, as has been done with other individuals that appeared on that show, but it doesn't warrant a separate article. - Sudo Ghost 16:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]