Talk:Bolton Wanderers F.C.

Address of Bolton Wanderers

Even according to the club itself, it is based in Lostock, Bolton and not Horwich. Therefore the club is still based in Bolton. 217.196.238.225 (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It is time to remove the erroneous reference to Bolton Wanderers being located in Manchester or the bogus 'Greater Manchester' area. Bolton remains in the historic county of Lancashire. There is no reference to Manchester or 'Greater Manchester' in the address for BWFC as stated in (http://www.bwfc.co.uk/page/ContactUs/0,,1004,00.html). Most Bolton fans would consider it inflammatory describe the club as being in 'Greater Manchester'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.224.235 (talk) 22:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC) comment left by gusty

Nickname

Is there any evidence that any Bolton fan at a Bolton game has ever referred to the team as 'The Trotters'? Having attended around a thousand matches I cannot recall anyone ever using this expression. I suggest that 'The Trotters' be removed as a nickname or at the very least it should be referenced within the article that 'The Trotters' is primarily used by press/media and not by the fans of the club. Thanks, Gusty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.224.235 (talk) 23:15, 2 April, 2009 (UTC)81.132.37.174 (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)gusty

Okay, i'm a bolton fan who attends every match and I know my teams nickname is the Trotters. You are a proven troll (see the talk page of one of your many IP's: User talk:86.174.25.64) who seems to have an agenda to disrupt this project. Please stop and consider finding something more constructive to do either on wikipedia or elsewhere. Maybe you should consider joining a forum and engaging in a debate about the clubs nickname there! Thank you John Sloan (view / chat) 22:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Mr Sloan...have you ever heard any chants at the match involving the word 'Trotters'? What part of the ground do you go in? You have made your position clear regarding the term 'Trotters' but I think we need to engage the thoughts of others to come to a satisfactory conclusion. Anyone else got a view? Thanks Gusty81.132.37.174 (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)gusty

Gusty, you're on your own on this. Any Bolton fan can tell you that BWFC's nickname is the Trotters. Just because you don't call them that doesn't mean that it's not their nickname. BBMSteve (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The nickname is ment to come from the fact that in the days before Burnden Park, one of the pitches was adjacent to a piggery and clearances often end up in there. Players had to 'trot' through the pig-pens to retrieve the balls. (http://www.mehstg.com/boltonw.htm) Tails07 (talk) 10:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Rivals

There are a number of problems with the "rivals". For one, it is a misnomer to suggest that Blackburn are the biggest rivals. You don't see any "I only 8 Blackburn" shirts around the Reebok but plenty of "I only 8 Man U". Secondly, geographically, Wigan are the closest rivals in the Premiership, the Borough of Wigan being about a mile way. Thirdly, Bury are historically the biggest rivals, being the closest town to Bolton. And fourthly, Tranmere are deemed to be rivals after the game that the team got changed in Bolton as Sam Allardyce deemed Prenton Park's facilities to be too sparse, plus the infamous Dave Challinor towel incidents in the League Cup in 2000. It is lazy to suggest that Blackburn. Bolton get bigger attendances, plus now Burnley are in the Premiership Blackburn, if they cared anyway, now have a closer "local rival". Plus, it's not cited. Quentin X (talk) 20:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Some Bolton supporters will also point to chants of "There's only one Wanderer's!" as a good indication that a minor rivalry is growing with midlands club Wolverhampton Wanderers. Recent allegations of tapping up from Wolverhampton Wanderers to the FA are likely to increase this rivaly amongst supporters of both clubs.

Just to say that they've been singing that for twenty years. (Quentin X (talk) 07:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)_

Location of the Reebok Stadium

The Reebok Stadium stands in the area of Lostock Bolton not in the town of Horwich. My grandfather ran a farm which was located were the lostock industrial estate now sits, and the field that the Reebok Stadium was built on was my grandfathers bottom field which is still part of the Lostock area. There is a stream that runs inbetween the Reebok Stadium and a tesco extra supermarket called the Middlebrook which seperates the border of Lostock and Horwich, the area of the retail park next to the Reebok Stadium also gets its name from the stream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnyp86 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Early history

Despite its name, this section says very little about the early history of the club, dealing with the first 50 years in less than six lines. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Why are they called the Wanderers?

Curious about that. Doc Quintana (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Because they never had a regular home back in the 1870s when they were called Christ Church and used to "wander" from field to field to play home matches. That's what I heard anyway. I haven't got a source for that though! :D Cannonbolt2 (talk) 23:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have, although it's an offline one (see here for description). Should I add it to the article? Alzarian16 (talk) 10:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I think you can use books as a source! A quick read of WP:SOURCE & WP:RS seem to indicate that you can anyway! I reckon you should go for it! :) Cannonbolt2 (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Good. I'll add that as soon as I get access to it, which should be tomorrow (I'm currently editing from a public computer as my home computer's lost its Internet connection for the day). Alzarian16 (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. I also expanded the early history with some information from the same book. Alzarian16 (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic! :) Cannonbolt2 (talk) 01:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Memorable Games

I've edited this section and removed all the games that talk about Bolton avoiding relegation as there have been more times than these in the past 130 years and the section was getting to become dominated by the recent years. I have also removed a couple of league cup semi finals as these seasons are covered in the Bolton Wanderers memorable games category. I've also removed most of the goalscorers as these are superflous, and the 1978 United game, as it wasnt the first time Bolton had done the double over United. Quentin X (talk) 13:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

That seems reasonable. My only worry is that we now have no games before 1983. Perhaps the 1978 United one should stay? Also, the 2007 UEFA cup game against Bayern Munich doesn't look especially important, so perhaps it could be removed as we already have one from the same competition in the same year. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the Munich one should remain as it's not every day that Bolton play Bayern and get a result. That really is memorable...! Quentin X (talk) 14:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The whole section should go. A subjective list based on the opinions of editors is original research. Besides, truly significant matches ought to be mentioned in prose in the history section. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:36, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

What about the Burnley game earlier this year. Fair enough it was only your average 1-0 local derby win, but with Owen Coyle moving clubs just weeks before, tension was very high and the Burnley fans wanted serious revenge, and in my opinion was a memorable game because we won just because of everything around it rather than the actual game itself. What do you think? Quiggers1P (talk) 22:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

That's one case where it might be better to mention it in the main text, since it's more about the significance of the game in the context of other events rather than the game itself. This could also be true of some of the European games, such as that qualifier and the win over Portsmouth. Alzarian16 (talk) 09:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm all for integrating the games into the main body, which will leave little room for doubt and also make the page look tidier. Quentin X (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Stadium section

This section could really do with being cutdown IMO. It should be kept simple with the majority of info being in the main articles (Reebok Stadium & Burnden Park. Also, Does this really need to have an infobox? Surely thats what the main articles are for! Thoughts? Cannonbolt2 (talk) 13:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree completely, so I've cut it back slightly and removed the infobox. Hope no-one minds! Alzarian16 (talk) 10:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Also agree but think the image should stay, so I've put it back. Quentin X (talk) 11:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, no problem with that. I can't think why I removed it in the first place. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks a lot better now! :) Cannonbolt2 (talk) 14:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

bolton had pitch at pikes lane in bolton from late 1880 ish not many people know of this old ground up until they had burnden park built then it was the all singing dancing reebok stadium —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.236.90 (talk) 20:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

New kit

The new home kit has been out for a while now and has already been worn for a PL game (v Birmingham). I would update the kit myself, but I haven't a clue how! :D - Here's what the kit looks like for those who don't know: scroll down to BWFC! Cannonbolt2 (talk) 13:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I guess no one else knows how to update kits on Wikipedia as well then? Cannonbolt2 (talk) 14:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Derby and rivalries?

The article does not mention anything about this. Portillo (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Kits

I've changed the description of the kits in the section, however the images of the kits are still last seasons, and I lack the ability to change it, can anyone else help by changing this? Thanks Quiggers1P (talk) 15:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

CAN ANY ONE HELP ....PLEASE

    Can any one help me please ...Iam looking for a photo of  Peter Reid it appeared in one of the nationals the day after Bolton won 1-0 against Blackburn on 26 april 1978 and were promoted to the first division ...my husband wagged school that day but one of his teachers spotted him with peter reid on his shoulders in the paper...its his 50th soon and would love to find this photo ..if any one can point me in the right direction I would be grateful ...my e mail is lj157@live.co.uk

CAN ANY ONE HELP ....PLEASE

    Can any one help me please ...Iam looking for a photo of  Peter Reid it appeared in one of the nationals the day after Bolton won 1-0 against Blackburn on 26 april 1978 and were promoted to the first division ...my husband wagged school that day but one of his teachers spotted him with peter reid on his shoulders in the paper...its his 50th soon and would love to find this photo ..if any one can point me in the right direction I would be grateful ...my e mail is lj157@live.co.uk  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.9.12 (talk) 11:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC) 

Caretaker manager

Whilst the club announced that Jimmy Phillips and Sammy Lee would be taking control of first team affairs, it appears that Phillips is the caretaker and is being assisted by Sammy Lee and Julian Darby. As such, if no one has any problems, I have removed Sammy Lee as he appears to be in more of an assistants role. Quentin X (talk) 06:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

1970s

Article is almost silent about the 1970s - can anyone assist 217.155.193.120 (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The History section

Compared to articles on other English football clubs the "History" section of this article is much much bigger, and filled with a lot of detail that perhaps does not belong in its current position. Compare the level of detail used in the sections up to 1995 with those after, and with other similar history sections e.g. that of Reading or even that red club in Manchester. I propose to combine the Colin Todd, Sam Allardyce, Gary Megson, Owen Coyle and Dougie Freedman sections into one section and summarise them down to a level more in keeping with the rest of the History section. Any objections? Johnnaylor (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I should add that as some of the detail would no doubt be lost to Wikipedia if I do this it would be moved to the relevant article for that season, e.g. here. Johnnaylor (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I've now cut down the relevant section, though went for 2 new sections rather than 1. The original form of the History section has been moved to History of Bolton Wanderers F.C. where the pre-1995 history could be appropriately expanded out from its current summary form. Comments welcome! Johnnaylor (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• Right, I will copyedit as I go (please revert if I accidentally change the meaning) and jot queries below. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Founder members of the Football League, Bolton have spent the highest number of seasons in the top flight without winning the title (the 2011–12 season was their 73rd, non-consecutive year in the top flight). - I had to read this twice to figure out what it meant - need to add "of any club" somewhere to clarify....

I have added this in. Johnnaylor (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

and the match was awarded to Bolton, who were then defeated 9–1 by Preston North End. - in the final/semi-final...please insert level of match

The match was relatively inconsequential (2nd round in a competition with 7+ rounds) but is included as it remains the club's record defeat to this day. Would you recommend that it remains given that information? Johnnaylor (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd slot in "Second round" to give it context....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Done Johnnaylor (talk) 14:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

The club was founded by the Reverend Thomas Ogden, the schoolmaster at Christ Church in 1874 as Christ Church FC - (i) don't bold the name in the body of the text (the original name should be in the lead, and should be bolded there) (ii) can we link Christ Church (is it notable school?), and (iii) should it be "F.C.", not "FC"?

To reply to each point in turn: (i) I have now done this, I hope it is satisfactory. (ii) Christ Church was just a church, it has long since been deconsecrated and demolished and has no article on wikipedia that I can find. (iii) Yes, good catch! Johnnaylor (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Innovation factory of the University of Bolton - can part of this be linked to somwehre (just the university?)

I've linked the University Johnnaylor (talk) 11:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Can we add an anecdote about their nickname "The trotters" somewhere?

Added to the "colours and badge" section, for want of a better place for it. Johnnaylor (talk) 15:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Given the 20's was one of their heydays, it'd be good to mention some key players of the time in a sentence or two (i.e. what players made them so successful)

I have split the last paragraph of the early history section in half, and added a few words on the major players of the 1920s team. Johnnaylor (talk) 18:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, I can see History of Bolton Wanderers F.C., which is good it has been carved out of main article as it is very heavily focussed on recent years. In fact, if you are not sure what to priotise, I am sure dumping a large amount of material in there and then selecting what to transfer to main article is ok too.

Not entirely sure what you are suggesting here; are you saying I should cut down the History section further? Johnnaylor (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

In the Rivalries section, the word "rivalry" is used about five times in a short space of words - anyway we can reduce the number of times the word is used makes for better reading.

I've rewritten this section, but it still uses "rivals" and "rivalry" several times as I cannot think of a way to phrase it using synonyms. Is this ok? Johnnaylor (talk) 14:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Agree - I figured this might be tricky....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Some geography on where Horwich is in relation to the city centre would be good.

added a half sentence to the stadiums section, using the location of the stadium itself rather than Horwich proper as it is on the boundary between Horwich and Lostock. Johnnaylor (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I added some tags - I am trying to give this a big as a shove as possible towards FAC too.

I will work through these. Most were previously referenced from the club's own website, which isn't great but also broke the links when the club updated its website last year, so they were removed! Johnnaylor (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

All those facts tagged as citation needed now have citations Johnnaylor (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A sentence or 2-3 on their league finishes before WWI and then between the wars? looks a bit sparse otherwise....

I have added a paragraph on this before the paragraph on the White Horse Final, though it only mentions the 4 years before and 10 years after WWI as this was a period of notable success. Johnnaylor (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Overall though, some lively and engaging writing too. Will continue to look at prose as we get content right. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

1. Well written?:

Prose quality:

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2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources:

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research:

3. Broad in coverage?:

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5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

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Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

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Pass or Fail: - great, well done. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)