Talk:Sixto Rodriguez

Who was his wife?

Does anyone know who was the mother of his three daughters?

**THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE (INCLUDING THIS TALK SECTION) REFERS TO A FICTIONAL CHARACTER**

Literally 100% of the so-called "evidence" of Rodriguez's existence has been falsified.

I'm fully aware that there are over 40 articles about Rodriguez which can be found on the Internet (closer to 300, in fact, if you count articles that only reference these false articles). NONE OF IT HAS ANY BASIS IN REALITY -- IT IS ALL MADE UP. Do your research, people! The entire Oscar-award-winning documentary "Searching for Sugar Man" was falsified. If you don't believe me, then you should really learn how to scrutinize what you see.

This doc is equally as fictional as "This Is Spinal Tap" or "Meet The Rutles".

If you insist on believing what you see, then do yourself a favor, and ask how a previously unsigned artist could have recorded such a clean string section on his first album, and then ask how convenient was his 100% undocumented on-stage suicide.

Please watch this so-called "documentary" and then try to locate any shred of ACTUAL evidence of this person's existence, that does not scream "Blair Witch Project" right into your stupid face, Stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.228.79 (talk) 13:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Fact checking

I have temporarily removed an unsubstantiated comment about Rodriguez appearing on music industry insiders' top 100 lists. If you can give evidence, please do. --Slashme 06:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Release dates of Rodriguez albums in South Africa

The statement that both Rodriguez albums were released on cd for the first time in South Africa in 1996 is not correct. I have a Teal Trutone edition of Cold Fact released in April 1991. It was also available on vinyl in the 1980's, often sold together with Peter Sarstedt's Greatest Hits. The second album, Coming from Reality, probably only appeared on cd in 1996, and is known as After the fact in South Africa.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.88.21.195 (talk) 15:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I had factory cassette tapes of Cold Fact and After the Fact in South Africa in the late 70s (circa 77-79). Rcbutcher (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

External link suggestion: New interview feature with Rodriguez

As an editor at Crawdaddy!, and to comply with COI guidelines, I am not posting the link to this interview feature about Sixto Diaz Rodriguez. However, I would like to recommend it on its merits, and hope that an editor will find the time to examine the article and—if he or she sees fit—post it to the external links section. For the article, the writer interviewed Rodriguez and several of his associates about the unusual arc of his career. I appreciate your time. Crawdaddy! [1]
Mike harkin (talk) 22:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Germanized Pronunciation?

In the film, they had one of the South Afrikaners pronounce his name differently. It sounded a lot more like "Seesh-uh" than like "Seeks tuh." This appears to be because the South Afrikaners pronounce the 'x' as though it were tantamount to the digraph "ch" - - comparable to the Mexican 'x' character. 216.99.219.39 (talk) 05:37, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

How could he be unaware

of his popularity in South Africa? Didn't he get the income from the record sales? If not, what happened to it? Paul Magnussen (talk) 01:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The movie hints that the money never got to Rodriguez - that South African music publishers claim to have sent sales figures and royalty money to his known US agent but that somebody in the US pocketed it. Rcbutcher (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Surely this is fraud? Hasn't anybody raised the matter with any authority to have it investigated? 105.236.133.104 (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

As it appears in the documentary, Rodriguez is now getting old, has lived a physically hard life, doesn't seem very interested in money, and might not feel it would be worth the effort to pursue the matter further. When the question is hinted at in the documentary, the record label's old executive gets quite hostile. Afaik, Rodriguez is getting paid for current tours and royalties for the documentary soundtracks and current record re-releases, but seems to prefer giving away most of it to his family and friends. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

There's an excellent interview from The New Yorker, which includes this quote: "...that money does not go to Clarence Avant. It goes to another company in England... a South African lawyer...said, “Sure, we can solve this, but it will take three years and we will need some money because these things are difficult.”" This is seemingly corroborated in a New York Times article: "Mr. Avant, 81, said he had seen the finished film and now regrets having been so flippant with a camera rolling. “I had nothing to do with where the money went,” he said. “I don’t know who the South Africans were paying, and I don’t know who had my foreign rights.” " --Sinister Stairs (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Comprehensive List Of All Death Rumours in South Africa From 1972-1996

There should be a new section or its own page about all death rumours with the whole narratives... (1) Set himself on fire with the (2) Killed himself on stage... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.203.68 (talk) 23:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Haha. I think there have been so many urban myths circulating, that it would be an eight-headed bitch trying to find sources for them all, and despite, the section would likely violate at least a dozen of different Wikipedia guidelines, anyway. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Amazing story

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50137686n Ottawahitech (talk) 07:13, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello I am Merize, a 19 year old girl from South-Africa and a big fan of Rodriguez ad you. I grew up in the 90's (born in 1994 after apartheid) in South-Africa, my parents were about 30-40 years old and I always remember them listening to the song Sugar Man I was very young and of course did not understand the words or its meaning, years passed and music changed but last year all of a sudden I remembered the song Sugar Man and me always liking it even though I was so young. I was 18 when I rediscovered it and fell in love with it and also tried to figure out exactly what it meant, I got completely intrigued by Rodriguez and his lyrics. I then started to wonder about him not yet knowing about his history in South-Africa or the documentary searching for Sugar Man as it was not yet relieved. But then this year for Christmas my mom got a gift from my uncle (a musician) and it was a ticket for Rodriguez's show and the DVD Searching for Sugar man. It was like it was sent for me as well because just like the people in S.A in the DVD I was also left to wonder. It was s amazing to watch but then I also started to wonder why NOW? What made you think of him or how did you find out about these South-Africans and what had happened? I think there should be another DVD a documentary where you interview Rodriguez this year live in S.A and record his show and also why this DVD came out now, what was the idea behind it this time to bring him back and I think you should call it Finding Sugar Man. I think there is allot more young people (fans) wondering about him now because we were to young then to have known but now that we do we are also big fans! Rodriguez in South Africa will never die long live the Latin king! I hope someday there will be a filmed made about his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.127.11 (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus to move. --regentspark (comment) 18:40, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Sixto Rodriguez → Rodriguez (musician) – Artist almost exclusively known as Rodriguez on all his albums. See Searching for Sugar Man, Cold Fact, Coming from Reality. For better known artists with mononyms, it is preferable to use the mononym plus in parenthesis, an adequate parental description. For example Madonna (entertainer) (and not Madonna Ciccone), also Prince (musician), Sting (musician). I say the same applies to Rodriguez. All his creations are strictly credited to Rodriguez to the extent nobody knows him as Sixto and he doesn't use it himself werldwayd (talk) 06:43, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. The press seems to know it.[2] I would put this more in the category of Elvis than Madonna. But I actually have no preference on the move. Apteva (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support. He is known in music as just Rodriguez, so convention for entertainers should be followed. Rcbutcher (talk) 10:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. The relevant standard is whether or not the full name is "known and fairly often used," per WP:NCP. Update: The Telegraph gives this subject as "Sixto Rodriguez". Kauffner (talk) 10:57, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
  • The Telegraph may be using his full name, but all Rodriguez recordings, old and new simply say Rodriguez and never Sixto Rodriguez. Cover for Cold Cut, Cover for Searching for Sugarman Cover of album Rodriguez Alive (1981) Cover of album Live fact Cover of Rodriguez At His best Citations of couple of articles does not negate the fact that he is almost exclusively known in all his artistic works as Rodriguez as a mononym. I am requesting change on basis of his output, not on some media report here or there werldwayd (talk) 03:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support, as per werldwayd, or possibly move to Rodriguez (artist). 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 20:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. As Apteva says, this is much more an "Elvis" case than a "Madonna" case. Per WP:NCP, Rodriguez' "first name is also known and used" in the media; it also serves as natural disambiguation which is preferable to a parenthetical.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Here we go again with the "Elvis" / "Madonna" cases... Frankly, it is very subjective and doubtful if Rodriguez is more an "Elvis" case... Are we talking Wikipedia naming technicalities or actual musical facts here? Are we relying on scanty media references to a "Sixto" or "the actual releases the artist has made" here? Are we taking into consideration experienced editors like us, or should we be concerned more with the general reader of Wikipedia who just knows him as Rodriguez nearly 95% of the time, if not 99% of the time without having ever heard the name Sixto? The so called "Sixto" Rodriguez (under which title we have his article) does not actually have EVEN ONE SINGLE RECORDING as so-called "Sixto" Rodriguez.... rather EACH AND EVERY SINGLE RECORDING he has EVER RELEASED (ever!) just says Rodriguez plain and clear from many decades to this day. All official charts that he has entered also say "Rodriguez". See for example the albums chart Sverigetopplistan in Sweden http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/ where this week he occupies positions 5, 21 and 22. So what is the use of calling him Sixto in the main article? See every single album cover that I mentioned with links in my earlier post (and I reiterate her) that all say "Rodriguez" Cover for Cold Cut, Cover for Searching for Sugarman Cover of album Rodriguez Alive (1981) Cover of album Live fact Cover of Rodriguez At His best . Very clearly, he is more a "Madonna" case than an "Elvis" case. He is also a "Sting case" and a "Prince case" than an "Elvis case". Like Madonna who never ever used Madonna Ciccone in her recordings, so did Rodriguez, never using Sixto Rodriguez in his. Elvis on the other hand, has many many recordings as Elvis Presley plus that in many of his films, he is credoted as Elvis Presley as well. In that sense, the artist Rodriguez is a "Madonna / Sting / Prince case" not an "Elvis case". werldwayd (talk) 11:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 12:24, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

What appears on the album covers is less important than how the subject is referred to in independent reliable sources. As we've seen Rodriguez's first name appears regularly in sources about him. In this way he's similar to Elvis, who was credited as simply "Elvis" on nearly all of his albums, but his last name was widely known and reported. Additionally, natural disambiguation is preferable to a parenthetical, and Rodriguez' first name is well enough known to serve that additional purpose. As BDD says below, there are just too many Rodriguezes in music to make "(musician)" a good disambiguator.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:30, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per Cuchullain. See Rodríguez (surname)#Music. Rodriguez (musician) is just too ambiguous to be a good title—I could only support it if his first name were completely unknown, which it isn't. By contrast, I couldn't tell you the surnames of Adele or Madonna without looking them up. --BDD (talk) 18:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

In the seventies nobody knew his first name, he was just Rodriguez. Trust me, I was there. He has done music business as just Rodriguez all his life, and that is how his fans know him. That is how his concert advertisements read and that is the sign outside the venue. Today's media reports are written by people who only know him as a freak of public relations and marketing failure, not as an entertainer. Hence they know him as a private citizen (a poor laborer) more than as a famous entertainer. He is notable in history as an entertainer, not as a private citizen, and hence his trade name is relevant to Wikepedia. Rcbutcher (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose as per Cuchullain. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.