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4 consecutive number ones

This album was not the first the yield four consecutive number ones. There are several other albums that released balls in the 80s that equalled this feat, and Michael Jackson's Bad, which surpassed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.213.243.130 (talk) 18:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC) Usher is now married to Ciera Denise Banks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.5.226.234 (talk) 19:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

usher does not go out with kukua dylis

Edit request on 13 February 2012

He is married to Lindi Fritz

"Aside from his musical career, Usher is regarded as a sex symbol." Please remove this. Regarded as a sex symbol by who? Where is the citation? This *really* needs removing.

Usher's wikipedia biography REALLY needs to be longer. He has no artistry section or a legacy section or a public image section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.116.209 (talk) 22:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

86.173.197.209 (talk) 22:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, great find andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 00:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Artist signature

Just added an image of his signature to the Wikimedia database. Please feel free to include it in the subject infobox.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Usher_Raymond_IV_signature.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChipmunkAlvin (talk • contribs) 06:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

rarities EP

why is there no page for the rarities EP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.55.200.189 (talk) 02:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've never even heard of it, mind adding a link to some information and maybe we can make a page? SE KinG. User page. Talk. 18:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request - Kile Glover

In the last paragraph of the Personal life section, the correct spelling of the boy's first name is Kile, not Kyle. And the boy is Usher's former stepson, not stepson.

Current text is: "On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old stepson Kyle Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier."

It should be changed to: "On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier."

For verification, see:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.ajc.com/news/kile-glovers-family-we-1473926.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view/20120710reports_outlook_grim_for_ushers_former_stepson/srvc=home&position=recent

http://www.facebook.com/kile.glover

--76.189.98.15 (talk) 01:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: Why should it be former stepson? He hasn't died, and is still Usher's stepson--Mjs1991 (talk) 02:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is his former stepson, as the sources I provided indicate, because Usher and the boy's mother divorced in 2009. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 03:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Partly done: Per this story, it seems that the many sources (including earlier CBS News reports) using the 'y' spelling are probably incorrect. While you may be right about the "former" qualification, the aforementioned source just says "stepson", so I'm not going to make that change. Rivertorch (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are many sources who incorrectly spelled Kile's first name. Even the CBS story you alluded to says, "(Many reports have previously spelled the boy's name "Kyle," but the family's statement refers to him as "Kile.")" Regarding the stepson issue, it is an objective fact, both legally and by definition, that Kile is Usher's "former stepson." One can only be your stepchild if you are married to the child's parent. Usher and Kile's mother are divorced (which is not in dispute and is correctly stated in the article). Both of the sources I provided - from CNN and the Boston Herald - include the "former" status in their headlines: "Family seeks prayers for Usher's critically injured former stepson"[1] and "Reports: Outlook grim for Usher’s former stepson."[2] Please make the correction. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 14:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing a mix of usages (between stepson and former stepson), but the CNN and Boston Herald (reprinting Atlanta Journal-Constitution) stories seem reliable enough to think that the wordings without it are just imprecise. Any objections to me making the change on those grounds? --j⚛e deckertalk 16:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No objection from this quarter—it's just a question I hadn't considered a lot before. By this logic, it follows that I must have stopped being a nephew to my aunt, and vice versa, when she and my uncle divorced. Nobody in my family would have thought that for a moment, since her relationship to the rest of us didn't change one iota. Strange things, marriage and the law. "Dear Former Aunt Lavinia, thanks for the sweater. . . ." Rivertorch (talk) 17:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. I found it a little unfamiliar myself, which is why I didn't jump to make the edit, most appreciated. --j⚛e deckertalk 18:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rivertorch, I completely understand and appreciate your viewpoint. And it certainly is a question that most people don't often consider. However, this is an issue about an objective, factual matter for an enyclopedic article, not about emotional feelings. I, too, have an uncle (my mother's brother) who divorced his wife many years ago. My siblings and I of course always referred to her as "Aunt (first name)", remain close to her to this day, and continue calling her "Aunt (first name)." However, factually and legally speaking, she indeed stopped being my aunt when she divorced my uncle. And I stopped being her nephew. So although we choose to continue saying "Dear Aunt (first name)" when thanking her for a sweater or some other gift, that doesn't actually make her our aunt. In our heart, she is. But for an encyclopedic article, she is not. Also, a difference with the issue of a stepchild - in this case, Kile - is that no one addresses him face-to-face or in a letter as "Stepson Kile" or "Dear stepson Kile," etc. He's just "Kile." But this discussion is not about how someone greets Kile. It's only about encylopedic correctness regarding his step status to Usher. I completely agree with Joe Decker; that sources using "stepson" are just being imprecise; while others such as CNN and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Usher's hometown newspaper, which covers him more than any other metro daily) are purposely being very precise for accuracy. Thanks for everyone's input. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request - canceled ESPY appearance

The last sentence in the Personal Life section should be removed. It says, "On July 11, 2012, Usher cancelled his appearance at the ESPY Awards later the same evening; he was due to present an award, but wanted to instead focus on his family's well-being.[118][119]" None of that is important. The fact that he canceled an appearance is a very minor detail and certainly not worthy of inclusion in an encylopedia. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 16:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll let someone else make the decision, but it seems to me that if the awards cancellation gets axed, the rest of the paragraph should, too. Otherwise, the remaining content would say nothing about Usher's personal life, being merely about an accident suffered by a former relative. Rivertorch (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The tragic event with his former stepson, which has received worldwide coverage indicating their close relationship, is a huge event in Usher's life and therefore absolutely warrants being included in the "Personal Life" section. But the fact that Usher canceled a random appearance because of that tragedy is of no importance, so it should be removed. And there's no legitimate reason to remove the rest of the paragraph. Like the saying goes, you don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. But I would agree that the sentence, "As of July 9, 2012, a family friend is under investigation for the accident.[117]" should also be removed. Anything about the investigation is simply not necessary because it's not directly connected to Usher and therefore goes beyond the scope of his personal life. So I would remove the last two sentences (about the investigation and the ESPY cancellation). --76.189.98.15 (talk) 19:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 19:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 19:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done All right, you make a good case. The offending sentences smack of recentism, anyway. Rivertorch (talk) 20:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, River! --76.189.98.15 (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, it would probably be a good idea to add the CNN article [3] as citation 114 (at the end of the first sentence of the paragraph) because it shows both the correct spelling of Kile's first name and that he's Usher's former stepson. It can go along with the other two cites that are currently at the end of that sentence. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 20:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Added that one, as well as the CBS News one that specifically discusses the apparent misspelling. Rivertorch (talk) 08:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request - Personal Life section

Please make the following edit to the last paragraph of the Personal life section. It will remove all the specific details about the incident itself (jet ski, inner tube, name of lake, etc.), which are simply unnecessary. The only content that's worthy of inclusion is that Usher's former stepson was declared brain dead, along with a very basic explanation of the cause. The article is about Usher, not the boating accident. If readers want more details, they can just click the cited links.

CURRENT: On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier.[114][115] On the following day, Glover was declared brain dead by doctors.[116]

CHANGE TO: On July 8, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was declared brain dead following a boating accident the previous day.[114][115][116]

Also, the following source can be added as a fourth citation at the end of the sentence. It should go first, not last, because it's about the boating accident, while the last cite is about the brain death: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

--76.189.98.15 (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC) 06:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I've trimmed the wording, removing some of the extraneous details per your suggestion. I think that "boating accident" isn't a good idea, since a personal water craft may not be considered a boat and because the "accident" appellation relies upon an assumption. (I ditched the trademark while I was at it.) I also concluded that the location, Lake Lanier, while not essential, benefits the paragraph by adding a bit of context. I moved the CNN ref up, as you suggested, and removed one of the TMZ refs—three is probably still too many, but four would be ridiculous for what is now one sentence whose basic facts aren't in dispute. Rivertorch (talk) 09:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request - Kile Glover death

In the Personal life section, please make the following important edit regarding Kile Glover's death. The sentence is factually incorrect. The boy had NOT been taken off life support. He actually died of heart failure. Some media outlets had erroneously reported that he died as a result of being taken off life support. Therefore, the sentence needs to be changed and the two current citations (116 and 117), which are not even highly reliable sources, must be removed. I have provided two extremely reliable sources below. One is from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which is Usher's hometown newspaper and the primary media outlet that covered the story. The other is from CNN. Both sources clearly explain that the cause of death was heart failure and that reports of the boy being taken off life support were wrong.

CURRENT: Glover was taken off of life support on Saturday, July 21, 2012 and was declared dead.

CHANGE TO: On July 21, 2012, Glover died of heart failure while on life support.

Citations: Atlanta Journal Constitution and CNN

Thanks. --76.189.98.33 (talk) 08:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC) 08:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done If it gets reverted then seek consenus. Until consensus is reached then just the date should be fine, not the circumstances.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! But you forgot to replace the two citations (that contained the incorrect information) with the two updated sources I provided (Atlanta Journal-Constitution and CNN). --76.189.114.180 (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick fix, Canoe! --76.189.114.180 (talk) 01:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are very welcome. Far better response than I get from other IP edit requests.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

76.189.114.180 is a good IP. As was 76.189.98.33. And 76.189.98.15. Rivertorch (talk) 04:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 31 August 2012

i want to sya that usher does not go out with kukua

Donreamgirl (talk) 11:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 15:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Middle Name

Usher has no middle name, he announced at the iTunes Festival 1st September 2012 —

Usher has no middle name, so why is there a middle name included on Usher's Simple English biography on Wikipedia?

Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.88.164 (talk) 23:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Rayman95 (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ21 02:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond – This is his real name. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Official names should not be preferred. Otherwise Snoop Dogg would be titled "Snoop Lion". Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 16:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Officiallly" is not the point. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 18:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

– Several users expressed in the above discussion that the entertainer is the primary topic of the name Usher. The only possible thing close to the entertainer is the occupation - above, I provided a comparison in page views, showing the entertainer as being the most sought after.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 00:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 3

Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond – If Beyoncé Knowles doesn't go by her mononym on Wikipedia, neither should Usher. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is that reliable sources are not needed for dab purposes since they are simply attached to the common name for Wikipedia purposes. We are not calling him Usher entertainer but calling him Usher and then identifying him as an entertainer to separate him from the other entries called Usher. If the reliable source suggestion was the actual rule we would need to move Barack (brandy), Contra (video game), Magneto (comics), Lost (TV series), Cars (film), and likely thousands of others. For example, I doubt any reliable source discussing the film Cars actually used Cars (film) when discussing it though the fact that it was named cars and was a film would not be in dispute.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 22:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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