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source?

I would like to see a source for the last remark. Yes, they are very politicized but please back up your statements.

APA and Cameron & reliable sources

Rather than remove this it needs better sourcing, as he was certainly dropped from membership. [1] is a Google books search with load of reliable sources. This one[2] alone looks sufficient, an academic press is the publisher. [3] John Corvino calls him a charlatan. There's more but that should be enough. Dougweller (talk) 21:57, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect to Paul Cameron?

Most of this article appears to be about Paul Cameron. Little of the content has to do with the organization itself, which has revenues of only $60 thousand a year and may not be notable on its own. There is already a section about FRI at the Paul Cameron article. Before considering an AfD, I was wondering if there was any interest in deleting this article and redirecting it to the Paul Cameron article (and adding to the Cameron article if anything about the organization is missing?) 72Dino (talk) 22:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would be opposed to a wipe-and-redirect as you described, but I'm very receptive to an AfD, if you're so inclined, because I think that process works pretty well. Paul Cameron is inextricably linked to FRI, but I think the organization has notability on its own. Certainly our sources (more than 60 newspapers, several books, magazines and news blogs) think so. FRI has very little revenue now, but that was not always the case. Also, they have endured for more than 30 years. - Mr X 00:47, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Classification as Hate Group

This needs a clearly stated definition of "Hate Group". Difference of opionion is NOT enough to classify as a hate group. If another group/ organization defines the FRI as a hate group, please include sources and why. If solely due to difference of opinion without any violent acts or attempts to incite violence, the section heading should be changed to "Controversy" and reported in a neutral manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.226.95.18 (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of anti-gay hate group is clearly defined and the coverage in reliable sources of FRI's designation as such is well-documented. Teammm ^talk
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I agree with Teammm. There is a definition from the the SPLC: groups that "... have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics." Also, the article lays out the criteria that the SPLC used in this case. Note also the the hate group designation is attributed to the SPLC, and that the designation is notable based on the extensive media coverage that they have received. The SPLC is one of a few organizations in the US which are regarded as authoritative on the subject of hate groups. This is not a simple difference of opinion between the FRI and the SPLC. - Mr X 20:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]