Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 8

LOL. Now we just have to wait for Jax to create enough articles to save as many as he can and notify Frietjes so he can proxy for him at TfD and add the articles to the nominated templates. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 02:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When he starts producing quality articles, I have no problem with that. Otherwise: the axe!

But I leave it to you to keep Jax on his toes. The Banner talk 04:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate it if you would use my talk page if you have a problem with my edits instead of attacking me at TfD. I'm sure it's shocking that I actually have an opinion that is independent of yours and Jax. Frietjes (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep the ones that have enough links, delete the ones that don't. it should be a simple counting exercise to figure out which one had enough links, but was still nominated, which ones now have enough links after linking EPs and songs that were unlinked. Frietjes (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. These templates have varying elements and qualifications going for them. Some of these are worth keeping, while others are not. I would probably say that templates worth keeping would include those with more than one section, such as Zola Jesus and Audio Bullys. Templates worth deleting would include those which detail thin discographies, or which only host studio albums, such as the templates of Jessie James and Disarmonia Mundi. I would also discourage templates that feature partial or full discographies of other music projects, as well as templates that focus on a singular musician without an actual solo career. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 06:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:NENAN asks for at least 5 relevant links towards the subject. Excluded from those relevant links are in effect the backlink to the subject itself, "related items" (most of the time the linked item is not directly relevant to the subject, like record companies or other bands). Links other bands are also seen as not relevant to the subject (those bands should have their own nav box when enough relevant links available) The Banner talk 20:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Invisibl Skratch Piklz

Template:Invisibl Skratch Piklz (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on the name of Invisibl Skratch Piklz The Banner talk 23:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Paweł Jaroszewicz

Template:Paweł Jaroszewicz (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 23:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Andy Hurley

Template:Andy Hurley (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 23:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ian & Sylvia

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ian & Sylvia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A strange mix up of solo works and band works. Unfortunately, I don't see any works of the duo itself so fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 23:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to template:Great Speckled Bird. Frietjes (talk) 23:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Don Devore

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Don Devore (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 23:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

split into Template:Lilys and Template:The Icarus Line. Frietjes (talk) 16:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Zach Hill

Template:Zach Hill (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Only four albums (?) on his own name, of which three have no article. The Banner talk 23:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, no band/project with critical mass beyond Hella, which has a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Creating a navbox for an artist with little or no solo career just leads to navbox clutter on the articles to which it is attached. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anthony Green

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anthony Green (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Just two albums on his own name. The Banner talk 23:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Template:Zolof the Rock & Roll Destroyer and reformat. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ace Enders

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ace Enders (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

split into Template:The Early November and Template:I Can Make a Mess Like Nobody's Business. Frietjes (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Niclas Engelin

Template:Niclas Engelin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. Artist navboxes should be reserved for those with significant solo careers, because otherwise we risk articles on bands (and their recordings) being cluttered with a navbox for each band member. That sort of clutter just impedes navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Steve DiGiorgio

Template:Steve DiGiorgio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name?? The Banner talk 22:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. Artist navboxes should be reserved for those with significant solo careers, because otherwise we risk articles on bands (and their recordings) being cluttered with a navbox for each band member. That sort of clutter just impedes navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AJ Cheek

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AJ Cheek (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AJ Cheek and a speedy deletion, the artist belonging to this template has no article anymore. The Banner talk 10:53, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

weak delete or reformat as a template for Revive. Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Martin Westerstrand

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Martin Westerstrand (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. The Banner talk 22:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to Template:LOK (band). Frietjes (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Dan the Automator

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dan the Automator (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fuzzy template not making clear what belongs to the musician. With just three clear relevant links fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, if we navigated by production credits there would be quite a bit, but we don't ... Frietjes (talk) 17:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chad Ackerman

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chad Ackerman (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 15:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, nothing significant outside the intersection with Austrian Death Machine. Frietjes (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Mark Boals

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mark Boals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Just three albums on his own name The Banner talk 15:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, no single project with critical mass. Frietjes (talk) 15:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fuzzy templates

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The result of the discussion was delete and move as suggested. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Uli Kusch (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Roland Grapow (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Greg Anderson (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Attila Csihar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fuzzy template not making clear what belongs to the musician. No own works? The Banner talk 15:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete Uli Kusch, Roland Grapow, Greg Anderson (all major projects have navboxes); move Attila Csihar to template:Aborym and reformat. Frietjes (talk) 15:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Record labels

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Indianola Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Centricity Music (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Smallman Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Carved Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No need for nav boxes on record labels containing all signed bands and issued albums The Banner talk 14:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all These are ones that have no reason to be. Record label artists change regularly and other than the label there is no relationship between each artist and their releases. Created only to give the artist and album articles a navbox in an overreaching attempt to meet WP:ANOEP because the artists listed only have a couple of releases. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Anders Nyström

Template:Anders Nyström (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 13:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, not much outside of the intersection with Template:Diabolical Masquerade. Frietjes (talk) 23:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sebastian Komor

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sebastian Komor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Unclear what solo projects/aliases belongs to him and relevant for a nav box about the musician The Banner talk 13:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, not enough core links under any band/project. Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Andy LaPlegua

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Andy LaPlegua (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Unclear if he as any items on his own name. The Banner talk 13:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to template:Icon of Coil and reformat (see Icon of Coil) which will fix the overlap with Combichrist. Frietjes (talk) 15:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC) delete Frietjes (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN (2nd cluster)

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The result of the discussion was delete Monie Love, MC Shan, Juke Kartel, and Long Distance Calling no consensus for Linda Chung, Dan Hill, and October Tide. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Juke Kartel (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Monie Love (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:MC Shan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Dan Hill (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Linda Chung (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Long Distance Calling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:October Tide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep Linda Chung (added Love Love Love), Dan Hill (plenty of charting material); delete Monie Love, weak delete MC Shan, Juke Kartel; indifferent October Tide, Long Distance Calling. Frietjes (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Juice Crew

Template:Juice Crew (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on their own name The Banner talk 13:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. Artist navboxes should be reserved for those with significant careers under their own naqme, because otherwise we risk articles on bands (and their recordings) being cluttered with a navbox for each band member. That sort of clutter just impedes navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sonny Throckmorton

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sonny Throckmorton (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Not a clue why this was kept after the first nomination, as there were and still are only four relevant links. The Banner talk 11:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep. actually !voted delete the last time, but re-reading the last debate, I can see the merits in keeping this one. there are more charting singles which could be potentially added as well. Frietjes (talk) 14:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- If, if, if. But we still have only 4 relevant links. The Banner talk 14:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - WP:DEADLINE Frietjes (talk) 14:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - That is about articles, here we are talking about a template that does not have enough links. As Jax is collecting failed templates in his own workspace, there is indeed no deadline to create extra articles but also no need to keep this insufficient template in the encyclopaedia. The Banner talk 15:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - don't worry, I will create one more article in the next seven days. shall we invite the editors who commented in the last discussion to comment again? Frietjes (talk) 17:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        No need for that, ms. Frietjes, you already give so much support to Jax that it is giving me the idea of helping to circumvent a topic ban. The Banner talk 22:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Todd Smith

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Todd Smith (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Just two items under his own name (i.e. El-Creepo!) The Banner talk 11:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete once you remove the intersection with Dog Fashion Disco (which has a navbox), the next largest project is Polkadot Cadaver. however, since Polkadot Cadaver is a continuation of Dog Fashion Disco, that content could be merged there. then, there is very little left, as indicated in the nomination. Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Fiona McDonald

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fiona McDonald (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on her own name. The Banner talk 11:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to Template:Strawpeople and reformat. there is potentially quite a bit to add (see discography). this will also fix the overlap with Headless Chickenss which already has a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Maybe free media

Template:Maybe free media (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template is not used in a useful fashion, and trnasclusions have been migrated to use {{wrong license}}. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

{{Wrong license}} is for files with a wrong licence whereas {{NFUR not needed}} is for correctly licensed free files which have a fair use rationale. It's unclear why {{NFUR not needed}} redirects to {{maybe free media}} as the templates {{NFUR not needed}} and {{maybe free media}} obviously serve different purposes. There need to be two separate templates: {{wrong license}} and {{NFUR not needed}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as redudant to NFUR not needed and wrong license. Definitely don't delete either NFUR not needed or wrong license. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 14:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bill Bruford

Template:Bill Bruford (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to fail WP:NENAN as he only recorded one album on his own name. The Banner talk 11:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep, recorded more than one album under his own name (see Bill Bruford#Solo career), and the other projects are very closely related, especially the duo work. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Bill Bruford led his own band in the late 1970s, called simply "Bruford", what means that it are recording by the band, not by Bill Bruford himself. Perhaps this template can be reworked to give an overview of all ensembles he played in. The Banner talk 15:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rework as there is also Earthworks (band) which Bruford also led. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Warp Records

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The result of the discussion was move Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Warp Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No need for a nav box on record labels listing all albums and bands The Banner talk 11:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to Template:LFO (British band), reformat, and add any charting singles from this band. Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Jerry Roush

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jerry Roush (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 11:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, the major band is Sky Eats Airplane, which already has a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 14:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ivan Moody

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ivan Moody (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 11:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, all the bands with significant content already have navboxes, once you subtract the intersection, there is very little left. Frietjes (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chris Robinson

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chris Robinson (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to fail WP:NENAN, unless the "New Earth Mud band members" (background band??) are important enough. The Banner talk 10:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, the notability here is the connection with The Black Crowes and Chris Robinson Brotherhood. some of the content could be potentially merged with Chris Robinson Brotherhood in a related section. Frietjes (talk) 14:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Dave Witte

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dave Witte (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name The Banner talk 10:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, anything missing could be potentially merged with Burnt by the Sun and/or Municipal Waste. Frietjes (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Brady Seals

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Brady Seals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN as only three of his four albums have their own articles and none of his singles. The songs of a band he played in are not relevant for a nav box nor is another band member. The Banner talk 10:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, per well-rationalised nomination. Frietjes (talk) 14:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, extensive WP:COATRACKing and typical Jax padding. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN

Template:Johnny Duncan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Jon Secada (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Bill Medley (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Peter Schilling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Stereo MCs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Kid Frost (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Dean Martin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:D Mob (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Saafir (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Prince Po (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Trace Bundy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Caron Wheeler (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Blood Red Shoes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Moist (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Miho Hatori (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 10:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep Johnny Duncan (see discography), Jon Secada (see discography), Bill Medley (see discography), Peter Schilling (see discography), Stereo MCs (songs weren't linked), Kid Frost (added one link, more to add), Dean Martin (see Category:Dean Martin albums and Category:Dean Martin songs), Trace Bundy (see discography), Moist (add two songs which weren't linked), Blood Red Shoes (songs weren't linked), D Mob (added a song); indifferent Caron Wheeler (see discography), Saafir (still active); delete Prince Po (not enough outside of the intersection with Organized Konfusion), Miho Hatori. Frietjes (talk) 14:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but I count the existing links. I don't use a crystal ball to see what the future can be bringing. The Banner talk 15:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - and deleting ones that will be shortly recreated is a pointless exercise (sloppy nomination can be just as troublesome). Frietjes (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - There's a big difference between the potential growth for navboxes such as the ones for Dean Martin and Peter Schilling. While neither as is pass NENAN, there are plenty of other articles for albums and songs by Dean Martin that can be added to {{Dean Martin}}. There are no such additional articles for Peter Schilling to populate {{Peter Schilling}} further. Keep Martin, Delete Schilling. Per WP:TfD, "templates should not be nominated if they can be fixed by normal editing". I really wish you would slow down Banner. I know you're just attempting to clean up Jax's mess and have put a lot of time in reviewing his history of horrible navbox creations, but this is starting to look more like a crusade. You're just cluttering up TfD with only you and Frietjes regularly taking part in these discussions, which IMO is not beneficial to the process. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - and Peter Schilling technically passes the arbitrary requirement, which is an essay by the way. I agree that the use of a "mass nomination spree" was not well thought out, since it reduces the quality of the discussion, and titling the nominations with Jax makes it look like an attack on an editor. if this were all based on some sort of policy, they would have been speedy deletion candidates. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I wasn't arguing NENAN for keeping or deleting but as a response to the nomination, which was based strictly on the number of existing links. Meaning, I wouldn't suggest deleting the Dean Martin template even if it had only 2 links. And thanks for letting me know that WP:NENAN is an essay, I didn't know that. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Moist, not about moist -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- right, because there is no way to rename a template. Frietjes (talk) 15:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep for now. It seems that some of these navboxes may have more merit than others, and trying to discuss their varying merits doesn't fit well in one group nomination. So I suggest closing this group nom, and opening individual nominations for any of these templates which the nominator still thinks should be deleted. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aranda

Template:Aranda (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. I don't think guest musicians are relevant at all. The Banner talk 18:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep, the four core links plus the band is five links, and the band is still active. Frietjes (talk) 18:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually, the backlink to the subject of the template is not counted as a relevant link. The Banner talk 18:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - right, because the subject is the least relevant. Frietjes (talk) 19:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not that it's not relevant, but because every one of these types of navboxes automatically has one link (the subject article), and if this navbox is already in each one of the other articles, it most assuredly will have a link to the subject already. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The guest musicians are too loosely-connected to justify inclusion in the navbox, and without them there are not enough links. Per WP:NENAN, the head article should not be counted (because the article will link to it alreday), so that leaves us with only 4 links (to the albums).
Also, Stop the World (Aranda album) shows no evidence of notability. If that page is deleted (as it should be), there would be only 3 links. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not enough useful links for navigation. There are only 4 core links aside from the main article. -- Whpq (talk) 20:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Digital Summer

Template:Digital Summer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN. I don't think guest musicians are relevant at all. The Banner talk 18:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep, the four core links plus the band is five links, and the band is still active. Frietjes (talk) 18:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually, the backlink to the subject of the template is not counted as a relevant link. The Banner talk 18:48, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- As is written in this part of NENAN "A good, but not set-in-stone rule to follow is the rule of five. Are there presently at least five articles (not counting the primary article) on which your navbox will be used?" The debate on this one is whether or not the "guest musicians" that aren't part of the group/primary topic should be included. Technical 13 (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - please keep in mind the number of authors who have made significant contributions to NENAN before quoting it as if it's some sort of policy. Frietjes (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my comments elsewhere on this page... Technical 13 (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The guest musicians are too loosely-connected to justify inclusion in the navbox, and without them there are not enough links. Per WP:NENAN, the head article should not be counted, so that leaves us with only 4 links (to the albums). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not enough useful links for navigation. There are only 4 core links aside from the main article. -- Whpq (talk) 20:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Association football international friendly competitions navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was delete Albania, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Czech Republic, Faroe Islands, and no consensus on the others. Please feel free to relist any of the ones that were kept. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Albania (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Austria (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Azerbaijan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Belarus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Belgium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Bosnia and Herzegovina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Bulgaria (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Croatia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Cyprus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in the Czech Republic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Czechoslovakia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in England (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Estonia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in the Faroe Islands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Friendly association football tournaments in Finland (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Further to TFD consensus from March 2013, these templates do not serve any purpose as they do not efficiently navigate between notable articles. There are a total of 45 such templates remaining; over the coming weeks I intend to bring them all to TFD in 3 batches of 15. Giant Snowman 13:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. Strong oppose for Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, England, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Scotland, Spain, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, USA, Yugoslavia. Normal navboxes there. The purpose is useful navigation between such tournaments. But other templates (Luxembourg, Albania, Moldova, Malta, etc) with one-two links must be deleted. Btw, WP:NENAN is only essay, not rule. Another essay is Wikipedia:A navbox on every page. NickSt (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have mentioned a number of templates which have not been nominated, and you have not mentioned a number of templates that have. Please can you specify which nominated templates you believe should be kept, which you believe should be deleted, and why? Giant Snowman 16:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, England, Estonia, Finland. Navigation between more than 4–5 tournaments (for top-football countries usually). Delete: Albania, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Czech Republic, Faroe Islands. Unneeded navigation between 1–3 articles only. I don't sure about Belgium, because only one blue link now. NickSt (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - I don't think these templates provide navigation between related articles, they provide navigation between remotely related articles (at first it looks like these templates are for tournaments hosted by a country, but it looks like other tournaments where teams from that country participates also are included). The Scandinavian ones were deleted in March 2013, and when I look at the other countries it is a similar problem: One friendly-tournament for national teams are in the same template as a competitive tournament for clubs just because it happens to be arranged in the same country. IIt should also be noted that articles like Baltic Cup (football) and Balkan Cup (and probably many others) got several of these templates. WP:A navbox on every page is an essay, not WP:Fourteen navboxes on every page. My guess is that a template that includes international tournaments in Europe (like the two mentioned above and the Nordic Football Championship and similar articles) or one template with friendly tournaments for clubs (as long as you differ between competetive and friendly tournaments) would have a bigger chance of surviving TfD than these templates, as they would provide navigation between related articles. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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delete all. the only relationship between these is that they took place in the same country, and most have very few working links. for the ones with plenty of links, we have categories that do a better job like Category:International association football competitions hosted by England, which include more than friendlies. for competitions that are hosted by many different countries, it becomes a navbox-farm (like Central European International Cup). Frietjes (talk) 23:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The cited consensus between the deletionist and one other editor is a rather sickly representation of concensus to base a mass deletion. See also: WP:NAVBOX, WP:TFD#REASONS Hmlarson (talk) 05:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who's a deletionist? Please retract your slur. A discussion in a very public location is still binding, regardless of whether 2 people participate or 100 - and others are in agreement, as seen by the 'delete' !votes above. Giant Snowman 08:44, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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