Talk:Pimp

Reference to UN convention of 2005

The following statement is made in this article:

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"In 2005, the United Nations adopted a convention stating that prostitution is a matter of sexual choice and should be legal throughout the UN, repealing the 1949 statute. Most voters voted for the resolution, and 165 countries legalized prostitution. The most notable non-signatory was the United States."

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"Loverboys"

I doubt that the section on "Loverboys" should be included in this article. To begin with, the phenomenon as described does not differ so much from "pimping" in general - many prostitutes in general are coerced into dependence on their pimps via seduction or drugs. Furthermore, the existence of "loverboys" is poorly supported by cited documentation which, in any case, only cites about 30 cases, which is less than one out of a million of the estimated prostitutes active worldwide (http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000095). Finally, the idea that these sexually experienced immigrants, presumably from North Africa, are seducing the nice local repressed Protestant girls, seems to me the sort of thing that could easily be motivated by xenophobic hysteria, rather than legitimate concern. (68.175.69.32 (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC))

Ok sorry some of the sources do in fact claim several thousand victims not 30, but my criticisms still stand. Also, most of the sources refer back to the same single source stoploverboys.com or something, which can hardly be considered an independent observer. (68.175.69.32 (talk) 17:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC))

I agree that there's something wrong going on here with respect to the "Loverboys" section, but I feel like it's not the source. There's no principled reason not to use a website advocating a cause as a legitimate source of information. It's not like it's terribly controversial to be against luring underage girls into prostitution.

I just think the sentence about North African immigrants is misguided.

(1) It's an unwarranted generalization. In the stoploverboys website, we get one anecdotal statement about Moroccan boys. In the Spiegel article, we get another anecdote of a single Moroccan boy luring a girl into prostitution. How can we go from those two statements to the claim, if understood literally, that in many countries North African immigrants lead people into prostitution? That's not fair to the non-Moroccan countries in North Africa, and there's no reason to think from the two mentioned cases that this happens anywhere other than the Netherlands. Also, we have one person's opinion and one anecdote of an actual Moroccan loverboy. Hardly grounds for a generalization in an encyclopedia.

(2) There are some parties in the Netherlands who use inflammatory rhetoric against immigrants. While their ideas belong in Wikipedia as much as anyone else's, we should view generalizations about social crimes brought by immigrants with scrutiny. We shouldn't uncritically repeat those ideas.131.96.91.204 (talk) 15:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC) (A university library computer in Atlanta)

African American gangs

To quote the text: "Pimping rivals narcotic sales as a major source of funding for many gangs, this is particularly true with African American gangs." There is no citation given, and there is no apparent reason why white gang members would be less fond of prostitution. This should be checked, as the motivation behind this "information" may be racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.40.8 (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The text seems like it's meant to portray black gangs as worse than white ones. Either the text should be cited (and heavily), or it should be removed. 142.151.162.155 (talk) 17:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Very US-centric

While this article offers some excellent detail, it is almost entirely focused on the US culture of pimping. This is a global site and therefore should offer a global perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.49.24 (talk) 22:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Biased

The wiki entry on the word "pimp" is so incredibly biased it doesn't even mention that pimping is also called human trafficking or sexual slavery. See Kathleen Barry's "Female Sexual Slavery." The definition evokes a reverse image of a pimp as a "protector" of women and children. Iceland and Sweden are the only countries that have had any success with curbing human trafficking by decriminalizing the prostitute, while criminalizing the johns, pimps or traffickers. Pimps are now sometimes tattooing their merchandise (i.e. their human products) so they can be tracked down if they attempt to escape. Women and children are trafficked all over the world, from country to country as well as within countries. The victims of this trafficking are mostly women and children held and sold by men. There are exceptions, boy children, and trans-gendered men impersonating women. The latter category arose especially in SE Asia, Thailand, to cater to USA military personnel by impoverished Asian boys who entered prostitution as a means of economic survival or were inducted by traffickers. The sympathetic wiki entry on "pimps" reads like a P.R. campaign for pimps and traffickers. This entry is protected from any corrections thereby censoring all those who are victims of trafficking or have a differing view of the sympathetic, glamorized, beneficent portrait presented here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabeth1848 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Madam

A Madam is a woman who manages (runs, owns) a brothel. The word "madam" in the lead section of this article should not internally link to the Madam article. Here's why. The Madam article only has one sentence about this topic and that sentence refers readers to the brothel article. This Pimp article can link directly to the brothel article. In fact, that one sentence in the Madam article about the female brothel manager should probably be removed. A {{For|...|brothel}} could be added, but the Madam article already has a {{About|the title|other uses|Madam (disambiguation)}}. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Also in the lead section, the sentence that includes the clause "pimp/madam" is unjustly implying that madam is a synonym for pimp. You can read that whole sentence and you'll know what I mean. You can also search for "madam" in this Pimp article; the word is mentioned three times (not including a category name) and the other two mentions of madam are accurate. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done: unlinked madam. Not sure what else you want changed. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Articles Pimp and Procuring (prostitution) must be merged

The articles Pimp and Procuring (prostitution) must be merged to the article Procuring (prostitution). The two article are about the same subject, and the content in them is relatively the same. "Pimp" is actually a slang term form procuring/pandering.2A02:2F0A:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:DC6A (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Procuring, pandering and brothels in Spain is not legal in any place.

Procuring, pandering and brothels in Spain is forbbiden in all our country. There is no place in Spain where you can be legally a pimp.

On the other hand, prostitution is lawful because there are no regulation about that.

CODIGO PENAL DE ESPAÑA Artículo 188. (Artículo redactado de acuerdo con la modificación establecida por la Ley Orgánica 11/2003, de 29 de septiembre) 1. El que determine, empleando violencia, intimidación o engaño, o abusando de una situación de superioridad o de necesidad o vulnerabilidad de la víctima, a persona mayor de edad a ejercer la prostitución o a mantenerse en ella, será castigado con las penas de prisión de dos a cuatro años y multa de 12 a 24 meses. En la misma pena incurrirá el que se lucre explotando la prostitución de otra persona, aun con el consentimiento de la misma.