Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Future Korean War (2nd nomination)

Future Korean War

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complete speculation, belongs on a blog, not an encyclopedia. There is already a page for OPLAN 5027, which already contains enough WP:Crystal Mztourist (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as an original essay and violation of the spirit of WP:CRYSTAL (hopefully and presumably this event never comes to pass). Serious Korean geopolitics is already being written about at North Korea–South Korea relations, for example; there is no need for a compendium of the opinions and "predictions" of publicists and talking heads. Carrite (talk) 15:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Speculation about a future conflict doesn't constitute an encyclopedia article but an essay....William 20:23, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per some in the previous AfD - WP:CRYSTAL only applies to unverifiable speculation, unlike this article - consider it like World War III. It could use a better title and better writing, but the subject passes WP:N. Ansh666 03:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've notified all participants in the last AfD. Ansh666 03:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in agreement with User:Ansh666's above comment, as well as previous AfD remarks.--ɱ (talk) 03:57, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge I gave some input to the previous attempt to remove this. Preferred the OPLAN article and advocated that OPLAN take its place. It is also better sourced, in terms of actual plans and doctrines. I would suggest a new title though.Irondome (talk) 04:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
'Delete, it is still a highly speculative article with no basis in reality. The "predictions" listed are simply SWAG, and poor ones with that. - ☣Tourbillon ^A ? 05:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "speculation" is not a valid reason to delete something. Speculation by individual editors is not appropriate in articles, of course, but speculation by reliable sources is. CRYSTAL does not prevent us from including verifiable information about (potential) future events. Possibly this could be merged, but such a solution is not compatible with deletion. Hut 8.5 09:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Read what WP Crystal actually says, there is very little verified information in this article and its all contained in OPLAN 5027 already Mztourist (talk) 11:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have read what CRYSTAL says, thank you. It says that "Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognised entities in a field may be included". The information in this article falls into this category. The article is pretty well sourced, and a number of the sources are clearly in a position to know what they are talking about. Hut 8.5 16:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are 4 sources quoted for the predictions - Wachter, Hitchens, Air University and Country Risk Solutions. Christopher Hitchens was not an expert on Korea or military strategy, I havent been able to find anything about Paul Wachter that establishes him as an expert on Korea or military strategy so that leaves 2 sources which can easily go into the OPLAN page. All the rest of the article is just fluff to justify its existence. Mztourist (talk) 04:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Only future events that are certain to happen should have Wikipedia entries. This article opens up itself to too much speculation and original research. JOJ ^Hutton 03:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]