User talk:Vergina~enwiki

Axiom:Wikipedia cannot be more objectively than admins!

One cannot delete facts & history

Vergina 20:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to wikipedia! Please take a look at the Republic of Macedonia article and its associated talk page to see why we leave out the "FYRO" part.

If you haven't already done so, please carefully read the following pages:

You can sign your name with ~~~~ (or just ~~~ to leave out the date stamp). If you have questions or doubts of any sort first see the help pages, then do not hesitate to post them on the Village Pump and somebody will respond ASAP. Have fun! --Jiang 06:00, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

the UNO name is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia! Vergina 06:04, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The legal name of a country is the name which appears in its constitution, not the name used by the UN. The country is called the Republic of Macedonia in its constitution. That should be the usage here.

PS I was in Vergina last year and think it is one of the most evocative places in the world. I might write an article about it and the Star of Vergina issue etc. Adam 06:15, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Please stop reinserting your FYROM label in Republic of Macedonia. You need to reason and discuss on the main page. Otherwise, your edits will be constantly reverted. --Jiang 20:51, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, is fabrik for folgery Greek history,Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol "Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!! Vergina 21:16, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Please, if you are not fluent in English, let another user to argue on your behalf. Consistent insertions will lead the pages you edit to be protected. --Jiang 21:13, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is not identical to Republic of Macedonia---------Vergina 21:33, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

How so? --Jiang 23:21, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

What IS the difference - except that greek nationalists insist on the FYO? If all you do here is adding the FYO again and again - that's pathetic. Why don't add some real contents about the greek Macedonia, the area you seem to like so much you need to make sure noone ever will confuse with the country Macedonia. andy 11:34, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Changing the links does little. FYROM redirects to ROM. You're wasting your time. --Jiang

And wasting our time as well. I can only repeat: why don't you do constructive work by adding contents about your beloved Makedonia? andy 08:57, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The only reason the name in the eurovision artilces is FYR of Macedonia is becaus ethats the name used in the contest. - fonzy

Stub note

Please do not remove stub note just because you added one more word: [1]. One or two sentences are just a tiny stub. --Menchi 07:45, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Repeat what Menchi said - please DO NOT remove the stub note.

In addition, if you don't like Aegean Macedonia, then have that article moved. Discuss it. Simply changing it to Macedonia won't do, as that article is about the entire region and not just the part in Greece. --Jiang 22:37, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

In Greece called Macedonia or Makedonia,not Aegean Macedonia.

Aegean Macedonia is the TITO Propaganda name. Vergina 22:52, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Link to Makedonia then. --Jiang 23:02, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

There's no point in changing Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia since the latter just redirects to the former. --Jiang 01:04, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi there.

You might want to take a look at wikipedia:revert - you reverted Council of Europe four times yesterday, and a lot of Wikipedians take the approach that reverting the same article more than two or three times tends to be counter-productive. Martin 19:24, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

In Council of Europe the name of the state is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia ! Link to Republic of Macedonia is false ! Republic of Macedonia is not identical to Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia !! O.K ?? ---Vergina 22:33, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Dear Vergina, do you mind stoping with the blankings? You know that you are going to be reverted. Why dont you present your side of the issue in the apropriate talk page? All the best, Muriel Victoria 12:28, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Macedonia is not identical to Republic of Macedonia or fyrom!! And (Music of Macedonia is not identical to (Music of the Republic of Macedonia --- Vergina 22:02, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Greek: Geia xara. sou grafw sta ellinika epidi pistevw pws ise ellinas. exw tin entiposi pws den gnwrizeis arketa kala agglika, an kanw lathos diorthose me. ean ta agglika se diskolevoun stin epikinwnia me tous allous edw kai theleis na ektheseis kapoies apopseis sou, boreis na mou grapseis to minima sou sta ellinika kai egw tha to metafrasw sta agglika. tha ithela na se enimerosw pws iparxei elliniki wikipedia stin diefthinsi el.wikipedia.org kai an theleis boreis na grafeis ekei. epiprostheta tha ithela na sigoureutw pws katalaveneis kapoia pragmata gia tin koultoura tis Wikipedia. prwta sizitame me tous allous kai meta allazoume mia selida. den ofelei na kanoume allages otan gnwrizoume pws kapoios allos tha allaksei ksana ti selida. o skopos mas einai na ftiaksoume mia egiklopedia, kai gia na ginei auto prepei prwta na simfonisoume metaxy mas gia to periexomeno (kai onoma) twn arthrwn. prin kanoume mia allagi se mia selida, prepei na skeftomaste ean i allagi einai xrisimi gia ton episkepti. Optim 18:35, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) (akolouthei to idio minima sta agglika, below is the same message in english)

English: Hello. I am writing in Greek because I think that you come from Greece. It seems that your English is not very good, if this is wrong you can correct me. If English is a problem for you and you want to inform the other users here about your opinion, you can give me your message in Greek and I will translate it in English. I would like to inform you that a Greek Wikipedia exists at address el.wikipedia.org and you can contribute there if you like. Additionally I would like to be sure that you understand some things about the culture of Wikipedia. We discuss with the others first and then we edit a page. It's not good to edit a page when we know that another user will change it back again. Our goal is to create an encyclopedia, and in order to do that we must agree with each other on the contents (and name) of the articles. before making some change on a page, we have to think whether the change will be useful for the reader. Optim 18:35, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I know that. Go tell the other wikipedias to move their articles. ask the m:Wikipedia Embassy. A bunch of interwiki links at China refer to the People's Republic of China.--Jia ng 23:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC) ______________________

Vandalism

I see that you've been going around Wikipedia deleting references to the Republic of Macedonia. I regard this as vandalism and have listed it on Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress. Other Wikipedians have raised this issue with you before. Don't do it again. -- ChrisO 19:03, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You are nationalist! Macedonia is not identical to FYROM!!This is history vandalism .

I have corrected this and it is right in such a way! Where do you see the problem? If I am, so, a nationalist!? http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=Boris_Trajkovski&diff=2561742&oldid=2558488 http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_official_languages_by_country&diff=2559108&oldid=2558143 http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_official_languages_by_country&diff=2557966&oldid=2557295

Vergina 07:15, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

My listing on your 'vandalism' page

I see I have been listed on your page, although as I always link to "FYR Macedonia" I don't see your problem, perhaps you could explain why you are acting this way? Grunners 15:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_European_countries_by_GDP&oldid=7408845

1. as of mid-2004: free trade agreements between the EU, the EFTA, Turkey, Mexico, Chile, South Africa, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia,...

Vergina 17:20, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Fixed. This was copied from its 'parent' article, and therefore the mistake was copied over. However, I am always careful to distinguish between the country and the area, especially as being British I often have to correct errors where users have confused Great Britain, the British Isles, the UK etc.

However you feel about the issue, listing these links as "vandalism" is rather immature and foolish, as firstly 'vandalism' is the wrong word entirely, and secondly it would be far more useful if you actually changed the errors you find. Grunners 19:00, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ok. Vergina 19:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

softly softly

Hi. Regarding the FYROM/ROM "debate". I've requested that the name of the article debate be re-opened, but on a more general level, rather than specifically regarding FYROM. The basic policy that I feel needs to be addressed is this: Should the article on a nation/state be named based upon international recognition, or upon the name in which the nation regards itself? --Rebroad 21:52, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If the latter is the chosen policy, then the next question that comes to mind that one must ask is: what happens if three nations all decide to call themselves the same thing? Regards, --Rebroad 21:52, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

2 OF 3 nations have a wrong name like FYROM calls itself "Republic of Macedonia" for example.

Vergina 23:27, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

3RR

Heya, just a word of warning, you're currently on your third revert of Republic of Macedonia: Any further reverting will be a violation of the 3 Revert Rule. If you were already aware of this rule, please ignore this message. --fvw * 19:29, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)

Not 3RR! FYROM is official name of the country!

See rule:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countries

See -history-:

See "Official Country Name(s)"

See "(local)" name.

Vergina 20:04, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The "Official Country Name" is what the country calls itself, not what others call it. See France, India and People's Republic of China for examples. -- ChrisO 08:48, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ChrisO, the 3 example you just gave show that we are using the internationally recognised naming conventions for country articles, and NOT the name used internally! Therefore, article should be named FYROM, based on your last argument! --Rebroad 22:24, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Umm, no... France calls itself République française, India calls itself Bhārat Ganarājya and China calls itself Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó. The convention is to put the country's own official name in the country name box, not what others call it, hence 中华人民共和国 and Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó rather than "People's Republic of China". Do you see what I mean now? -- ChrisO 23:07, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

All other states have regular state names.FYROM is not regular!

Vergina 23:30, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kosovo Campaign Medal

I noticed on User:Vergina/FYROMian History vandalism of Macedonia, that you have the Kosovo Campaign Medal listed as a vandalism article with my User name attached as an artice vandaliser. I have no idea why that would be. Its a completely NPOV article on a United States military medal, part of a much larger project to document the Awards and decorations of the United States military. Can we get this removed from your list? Thank you. -Husnock 16 Jan 2005

The article Kosovo Campaign Medal has been corrected to the proper link for the Republic of Macadonia. Please take this article off of your "list". I would also highly suggest renaming the title of that list, as it looks like you are accusing people of vandalism. You could also, of course, simply correct the links as you find them instead of having a negative sounding list of other Wikipedia users. From what I've seen on the site, I am not the first person to be somewhat offended from finding my User Name on a list of "article vandalism". Please think about it. -Husnock

User:Vergina/FYROMian History vandalism of Macedonia is my statistic!

Vergina 07:01, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for reverting the vandalism on the Greece page. The comment says it is FYROMian vandalism. How do you know? The content of the vandalism itself is not specific to FYROM. There are a lot of jerks out there who vandalize for all sorts of stupid reasons.... --Macrakis 12:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FYROMIAN NATIONALISM-VANDALISM

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Macedonia&oldid=11993686

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Greece&diff=0&oldid=12383194

Vergina 06:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia disambigs

~~Please stop reverting these disambigs as vandalism. They are not.~~ Nevermind, my mistake. --brian0918  05:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Μακεδόνες"

"Μακεδόνες" Μια μικρή υπενθύμιση για την ψηφοφορία που διεξάγεται στο http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll. Χωρίς την ψήφο μας, θα επικρατήσει το "Μακεδόνες". Με δεδομένη την όλο και ευρύτερη χρήση του Wiki σε όλο τον κόσμο, αξίζει τον κόπο να μην το επιτρέψουμε. Απλά και μόνο για το γαμώτο της υπόθεσης.--Theathenae 16:58, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

urgent poll

Poll There is a poll in the talk page of Macedonian Slavs article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll

Some people are lobbying for changing the article's name to Macedonian without any qualifier. As it seems, a number of these people come from the Macedonian/Macedonian Slav wikipedia project. It seemed only fair to attract the attention of people possibly from the other side of the story. I hope that this message is of interest to you, if not please accept my apologies.Newcomer 10:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

course it can

Of course it can :-)) Have you seen this website? Rex^(talk) 10:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is the farsification of Macedonian Hellenic history.

Vergina 10:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Και πώς το ξέρεις αυτό; Υπάρχει πάντα η πιθανότητα να είναι ψευδή αυτά που λες εσύ. Εγώ δε βλέπω κανένα λόγο να πιστέψω την ελληνική προπαγάνδα και όχι την μακεδονική. Rex^(talk) 12:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Και ξαναπάμε σ' αυτά που σου έλεγα για την Μπριτάνικα κτλ Για να ξέρεις ποιος να πιστέψεις πας στις πηγές: πρωτογενείς και δευτερογενείς. Αν διαβάσεις όλο τον Ηρόδοτο και τον Ισοκράτη (δεν είναι τόσο δύσκολο ή τρομακτικό όσο ακούγεται) θα μπορείς μετά από αρκετή μελέτη να ξεχωρίσεις την αλήθεια απ'την προπαγάνδα. Καλησπέρα και σε σένα Βεργίνα :)

+MATIA ☎ 15:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's you POV. Who can interpret Isocrates better, you or Britannica? Rex^(talk) 15:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 2 2005

This message is regarding the page Republic of Macedonia. Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. Thanks. Jkelly 08:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the People of FYROM as Macedonians??

Is FYROM not Bulgaristan?

1911:Population by Vilayet Thessaloniki(Selanik)

Muslim :605.000,Greek:398.000,Bulgarian:271.000

1911:Population by Vilayet Monastir(Bitola)

Muslim:456.000,Greek:350.000,Bulgarian:246.000

1911:Population by Vilayet Kosovo(capital city Uskub)

Muslim:959.000, Greek: 93.000,Bulgarian:531.000

http://www.univ.trieste.it/~storia/corsi/Dogo/tabelle/popolaz-ottomana1911.jpg

According to a Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1904:

VILAYET OF THESSALONIKI:

GREEKS :373.227

BULGARIANS:207.317

VILAYET OF MONASTIR(Bitola):

GREEKS :373.261.283

BULGARIANS:178.412

SANTZAK OF USKUB (Skopje)

GREEKS : 13.452

BULGARIANS:172.735

Vergina 07:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

3RR warning

If you continue to repeatedly revert articles, you will be blocked for violating the 3 revert rule. Please don't do it. -- ChrisO 15:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

NO 3 revert rule !!!

See Talk:Republic of Macedonia

1)The EU name of the State is "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".

It is not 3RR!!!

2)FYROM is member state of United Nations and Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe as "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"!

It is 3RR ???

Vergina 18:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Macedonia

Hi Vergina. While the EU does officially recognise the Rep of Macedonia as FYROM, it doesn't mean Wikipedia must use that name, even in EU-related articles. Of course, it's important to state that the EU only recognises that name, and that's stated both in the Republic of Macedonia article and the EU enlargement article. The only reason that the EU recognises this name is because of Greek pressure, but consider also that many EU member states recgonise the Republic under its constitutional name. Considering that the Republic of Macedonia is its own constitutional name, that's the name we should be using on Wikipedia. I know this is a big issue in Greece, but I really don't see why, and it shouldn't be carrier over to Wikipedia. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 10:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Macedonia (region)#Dear editors,

Please take a look at talk/article/history (of the file). This article needs your positive contribution. NikoSilver 12:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

portal:Macedonia

This portal name, insults all Macedonians in Greece, and makes problem bigger. STOP FYROM's PROPAGANDA IN WIKIPEDIA.--Makedonas 11:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Latinus 12:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heraclea

It doesn't really matter. Vandalism isn't the way and I don't see anything bad in the ruins of an ancient city being located near Bitola in the RoM... → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 11:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thessaloniki on the Article Improvement Drive

I noticed your work on and interst in Thessaloniki and wanted to let you know that I nominated the city's article for the Article Improvement Drive. It is very close to reaching Featured Article Status and it deserves that recognition. Please feel free to vote for its candidacy at the AID! --Caponer 01:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Philhellen" = "Greek Patriot"

Vergina, des ti apanthsa ston Septentrionalis sto Talk:Greeks#Alexander the Great. Ta idia pros8esa kai sto Philhellenism opote eykola ki wraia stelneis opoiondhpote allo amfisbhtia prokypsei na dei to ar8ro. ;-) NikoSilver 21:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See

Do you think you could have a look at this: Talk:Republic of Macedonia#POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article. Edwy ^(talk) 12:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Σχετικά με το παραπάνω, πρέπει να δεις αυτό το σχόλιο και να πράξεις αναλόγως. Άμεσα. NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

H WIKIPEDIA DEN EINAI SE THESI NA LYSH ENA UNO PROPLEM!

OLES OI PSHFOFORIES DEN EXOUN KAMMIA ISXH.

The name of the state is UNO Competence! Not Competence of wikipedia !

Vergina/Macedonia 18:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category Deletion

Please visit [2] and weigh in! NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Policy violation

Hi, your userpage violates WP:USER. Please read the guidelines and make the necessary changes. I point you specifically at: "What can I not have on my user page?".

I am giving you a chance to bring the page inline with policy before I delete it. Regards, - FrancisTyers 23:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is my identity and the slavisation of my identity!

Vergina/Macedonia 16:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]