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Hey there. Just to let you know this Bosnian IP who has come along and picked up my side of that dispute on the protests article is not me. I dropped that issue as you know because I'm sticking to cultural articles. This IP's behaviour is disruptive and will not achieve good results.

Strangely, this is the second time a Bosnian/Croatian IP has come along and taken my side in a dispute. The same thing happened last year where a Croatian IP came along and started edit-warring with someone that I was in a dispute with. I can only suspect that I have a like-minded edit stalker from there. In any case, I have nothing against this guy who's obviously on my side in certain things, but his behaviour is against my interests because it's liable to making people think it's me.

To this IP: I appreciate your support but please, your actions are not good for me and won't achieve any results. Maybe register an account and go about things in a sensible way, setting out your argument on the talk page like I did and bringing in other editors for consensus. To achieve results on here you have to do things a certain way bro.

Right now I don't have the time to edit or get involved with this, I just saw what was going on and thought I'd better let you know it wasn't me.

Nice article by the way! Irānshahr 16:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, and don't worry, i already knew that you are not the kind of person that does things like that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Saffarids

They became tributaries (read: p. 176, ISBN: 9780582405257 on Google Books), and regardless of that their successors the Ghaznavids and Ghurids were tributaries so it's actually irrelevant. Put the question to Cplakidas, I'll accept whatever his view is. I'll revert my edit in the meantime. Irānshahr (talk) 14:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Already done that, now we just have to wait for him to answer, and also take a look here meantime: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/saffarids --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Request

Hi, Please make Khan Ahmad Khan for English Wikipedia, Because a one of my friend this article in Fawiki WP:FAC, you can read and write farsi! Yes? → so see this candidates and see Own Article: →fa:خان احمد خان. in the article use many valid Sources.--Thanks--Samək^Talk 21:23, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, but it make take some time because i am busy with other things in real life. Im working on it here: User:HistoryofIran/Khan Ahmad Khan --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

NOW → This is good and enough, only (+ Add) sources. Our goal was to khan ahmad khan have article in other languages Wikipedia Although Be short. Because Some of the User in Persian wiki Due to lack of article in other languages Voted Negative in the WP:FAC

so our friend make in kurdish, gilaki, Mazeroni and also I make in Azeri wiki--Thanks for spreading articles related to Iran--Samək^Talk 12:08, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Ahmad_Khan --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done--Samək^Talk 13:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

	History Barnstar
	Thank you very much for making this article. Good job. sicaspi (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Pleasure

I sincerely look forward to hearing what you have to say, perhaps though, after first take the time to increase your intelligence/ understanding of anthropology so that you may contribute in an enlightening/ non-chauvanistic manner, and make Wiki articles better than the some B-grade internet forum. And remember, no one disputes that East Iranian was the dominantn language of the Scythian elite. "Origins" on the other matter, a very different thing. Take some time to ponder that reasoning, so, beyond this article, you will in turn get a better understanding for all histories and peoples. Origins is a far more complex process, which includes also (i) the demographics (where did these people live and come from) (ii) what cultural influences shapes these people, etc, etc. Unravelling those questions is far more complex, and difficult to pin-pointo to either Russian, Iran, or Mars. Slovenski Volk (talk) 22:17, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, i don't see any reason to increase my intelligence about that, because i know all that already, you just didn't understand me, we will see what happens. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Ottoman–Persian War (1775–79)

I noticed you were doing some editing on the template for Ottoman-Persian wars. I did some checking and, so far, have only found a war between the Ottomans-Persians from 1775-1776! I also noticed you were using Danish google books for research. I thought perhaps you could search from that direction and I will search from this one and "maybe" we might find out when or if this war occurred. Interested? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Ops, you are right, it was from 1775 to 1776, i misunderstood a source. I have changed it to the correct date. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Please take a look at the article, Kansas Bear has reverted your edits. He states that Iranica does not mention any Persian victory for that war. Kansas Bear has put his own opinion about the war saying that Basra was recaptured 3 years later, and thus he removed the Persian victory. This is what Iranica says about Basra during that war: "In 1775 the Wakil sent his brother (Moḥammad) Ṣādeq Khan to besiege Basra in Ottoman Iraq, which after a yearlong siege was taken and occupied until Karim Khan’s death in 1779. " Meaning he held it until the war of 1775-1776 was clearly over. Kansas Bear is also in the process of making the last war in that article be made to suit his POV: [1] SomeGuy1122 (talk) 10:24, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Errr... it was actually Irānshahr that changed it, not Kansas Bear. I guess you are talking about this article?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars

I have already had problems with other things in Wikipedia so i have no energy to do anything right now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes i am talking about that article, and no it was Kansas bear that removed your edits, not Iranshahr: [2] SomeGuy1122 (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Minor edit

The last edit that I reverted isnt a minor edit. Did you press the button by mistake? Kavas (talk) 12:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's normal for me that i sometimes accidentally press the wrong button. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

OK

Sorry. Kavas (talk) 12:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Technical request

Hello, just a small request: when you create new sandbox pages in your userspace, please avoid creating them first through that "submit a new article" script, which places them in the "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/..." namespace, only to move them into your user space immediately after. That area is only for articles on really new topics, and you're leaving all sorts of useless redirects there. The simpler way of doing what you want to do is simply to type the intended name of your new page into the Search box (like "User:HistoryofIran/Whatever") and then click on the redlink that will appear as the search result. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Nice, i did not know that, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hamadan Province issues

As you can see it on this map, ethnic picture of Hamadan Province is made up mostly of Persians, Lurs and Kurds. However, user Samak is trying to push that majority of population are "Turks" (actually Turkic, but again wrong). First he refered to irredentist pan-Turkic sources or activist pages like kurdpen (which itself cite Wikipedia - nonsense), then he tries to push alleged "official source" which can not be confirmed. Iran has it's own official statistic pages like www.amar.sci.org.ir or www.amar.org.ir, and such claims can't be provided from it. Name of article is wrong since it talks about Turkic ethnic groups in Hamadan province, but named as "Turks [nation] in Hamadan [city]". It's like creating article named "Iranians in Antalya" with content about Kurds and Zazas in Antalya province. Existing of such article is nonsense ifself. --HistorNE (talk) 17:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, do what you think is right. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

this image creat by PAN-FARSCISm. Tehran have 1/3 turks, hamadan 58%, west Azerbaijan 70%. but this map the users for you have vandalism--Samək^Talk 18:29, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Err.. the map was actually created by an American, so i don't see how he can be a Pan-Fars, and i am not a admin so i can't do anything, if you guys have problems then please contact the admin, i am just a normal editer like you guys. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

America? plz see!

اطلاعات نظرسنجی سال ۱۳۸۹

بر پایه نظرسنجی که در سال ۱۳۸۹ به سفارش شورای فرهنگ عمومی کشور تهیه شد که نمونه‌های این پزوهش در کل کشور از میان ساکنان ۲۸۸ شهر و حدود ۱۴۰۰ روستای سراسر کشور انتخاب گردیدند، درصد اقوامی که در این نظر سنجی نمونه گیری شد در استان همدان به قرار زیر بود: ۲۴٫۳ فارس (۲۳٫۴% مرد، ۲۵٫۴% زن)، ۵۸٫۹ ترک (۶۱٫۲% مرد، ۵۶٫۶% زن)، ۱۰٫۳ کرد (۱۰٫۱% مرد، ۱۰٫۶% زن)، ۰٫۳ عرب (۰٫۵% زن)، ۰٫۳ بلوچ (۰٫۵% زن)، ۵٫۴ لُر (۴٫۸% مرد، ۵٫۸% زن)، ۰٫۳ سایر و ۰٫۳ بدون‌جواب بودند.

Turks in Tehran or Azeris in Tehran are Iranians of Azerbaijani ethnicity. Azerbaijanis comprise 25% of Tehran's population and 30.3% – 33% of Tehran Province's population.

در یک نظرسنجی که شرکت پژوهشگران خبره پارس به سفارش شورای فرهنگ عمومی در سال ۱۳۸۹ انجام داد و بر اساس یک بررسی میدانی و یک جامعه آماری از میان ساکنان ۲۸۸ شهر و حدود ۱۴۰۰ روستای سراسر ایران بود، درصد اقوامی که در این نظرسنجی نمونه‌گیری شد در استان آذربایجان غربی ۷۶٫۲٪ ترک، ۲۱٫۷ کرد، ۰٫۸٪ فارس، ۱٫۱٪ سایر اقوام و ۰٫۳٪ بدون‌جواب بود. جزییات به شرح زیر بود:

• ۷۶٫۲٪ ترک (که ۶۷٪ از مردان استان و ۸۴٫۷٪ از زنان استان، ۸۲٫۵٪ از شهرنشینان استان و ۶۶٫۴٪ از روستانشینان استان، ۷۳٪ از جمعیت زیردیپلم استان و ۸۰٫۳٪ از دیپلمه‌های استان و ۸۲٫۶ از جمعیت بالای دیپلم استان را تشکیل می‌دادند)
• ۲۱٫۷ کرد (که ۳۰٫۵٪ از مردان و ۱۳٫۴٪ از زنان استان، ۱۵٫۴٪ از شهرنشینان و ۳۱٫۲٪ از روستانشینان استان، ۲۶٪ از جمعیت زیردیپلم و ۱۶٫۱٪ از دیپلمه‌ها و ۱۲٫۸٪ از جمعیت بالای دیپلم استان را تشکیل می‌دادند)
• ۰٫۸٪ فارس (که ۰٫۳٪ از مردان و ۱٪ از زنان استان، ۱٫۳٪ از شهرنشینان و ۰٪ از روستانشینان استان، ۰٪ از جمعیت زیردیپلم و ۱٫۵٪ از دیپلمه‌ها و ۲٫۸٪ از جمعیت بالای دیپلم استان را تشکیل می‌دادند)
• ۱٫۱٪ سایر اقوام (که ۱.٫۶٪ از مردان و ۱٪ از زنان استان، ۰٫۳٪ از شهرنشینان استان و ۲٫۴٪ از روستانشینان استان، ۱٪ از جمعیت زیردیپلم و ۲٫۲٪ از دیپلمه‌ها و ۰٪ از جمعیت بالای دیپلم استان را تشکیل می‌دادند)
• و ۰٫۳٪ بدون‌جواب (که ۰٫۶٪ از مردان، ۰٫۵٪ از شهرنشینان، و ۱٫۸٪ از جمعیت بالای دیپلم استان را تشکیل می‌دادند)

oll of the sources use the province persian wiki article.

where is the turks of Tehran and Karaj, hamadan and west Azerbaijan in this map? where is the turks in markazi, Gilan?Samək^Talk 18:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I only said that the map was not made by a Persian, it was made by a American, and as i said before i am not a admin and i don't want to get myself involved in this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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I suggest to our Azeri friend to learn little about WP:RS, because despite he has been warned that he's using activist and charlatan websites, he's using them again and again to prove his "point". --HistorNE (talk) 19:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The map by itself does not seem to be accurate specially as it neglects cultural and lingual overlaps, if more reliable sources are available it is better to use them. ,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 21:04, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Alright, i found a accurate map with sources, if you look down on the map you can see that it shows reliable sources: http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Iran_Languages_lg.png --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

where is 1/3 Turks in Tehran & Karaj? Astara?--Samək^Talk 22:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

They went home to Tabriz, it's summer holiday time. --HistorNE (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

To be serious, maps are usually marked by dominant populations (>50%), so even in case of mythological "one third" it wouldn't be marked. --HistorNE (talk) 23:56, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally Persians In Tehran are immigrants. tehran by turk qajar was a capital of Iran.--better AFGHANIA-FARS comes Kabul:).Meanwhile Fars is= Mixed:turk+Arab+Afghan+Pashtun. Pars & mad & Part are Extinct.--Best Wishes--Samək^Talk 07:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems that original question was about ethnic demographics of this region not its lingual map. In this regard it has been said that :" The main language spoken, especially in the provincial capital and its surroundings, is Persian, which is also the lingua franca in other regions. In the northern parts of the province, however, the language mostly spoken is Azeri Turkish, while in the northwest and west, near the provinces of Kurdistan and Kermānšāhān, people mostly speak Kurdish, while in some other cities such as Malāyer, Nehāvand, and Sāmen most people speak Lori and Lak",dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems like we're dealing with Turkic racist here. First of all, Tehran area has been Persian (& other Iranian) for 4000 years, with Ray as it's capital and religious center. Where were Turks at that time, we don't know, they weren't able to write or build anything for next 3000 years so there's no written accounts or archeological remains. Considering modern ethnic situation, it's well known "Turkic" peoples in Iran are liguistically Turkifized Iranian tribes (physical difference between them and Central Asian Turkic peoples are more then obivous). It's pity that he brings this racist remarks of innocent user's talkpage. HistoryofIran, I recommend you to check his further edits because he's manipulator - he has tried to Turkize all places of Hamadan province by using non-existent links or wiki-links (written by him). In some articles, he cites book where it states "Iranian from Hamadan", but he puts "Turk from Hamadan" in article. but all of these have been removed. Such things may work at Azeri Wikipedia where even Medes or Scythians are "Azerbaijani Turks" (LOL), but not here or anywhere in civilized World. --HistorNE (talk) 08:20, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Azerbaijanis is Iranian or Afghani People? Absit omen:)--Samək^Talk 08:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Sassanid shahanshah

Template:Infobox Sassanid shahanshah has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Safavid shahanshah

Template:Infobox Safavid shahanshah has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:41, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Farsi help needed

Hello HistoryofIran, I'm contacting you because we need some Farsi translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on fa.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Farsi Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, can't help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit-warring

So, you are actually determined to push through your isolated personal preferences with nothing but the brute force of edit-warring? Think twice. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:00, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

You are doing the same, we could always ask other people's opinion once again. And the Simurgh picture you added is ugly, that's the same if i remove the Ottoman coat of arms and replace it with a old one which is ugly. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I have consensus and arguments on my side; you haven't. Not a single person in the RfC supported your view that there was some value to that image; not a single argument was raised against the fact that it is a low-quality and unhistoric depiction and stylistically alien to the cultural sphere of the civilization in question. One would have hoped that a user with the username "HistoryofIran" might show a bit more basic respect towards the cultural achievements of Iran and a bit of appreciation for the aesthetic value of its own, authentic artistic creations than you do. But maybe one needs some basic education to do that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

There were only 3 that agreed with you, that does mean no one agrees with me since there are not only 3 users on Wikipedia besides you and me, not all users saw the article.

I show respect towards the cultural achievements of Iran but that does not mean i like horrible old and ugly pictures, if everyone were like you in opinion about pictures then Wikipedia should get renamed to Uglystan. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:42, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The map of the Sassanid Empire

I would like to apologize to you about the back and fourth on the editing of the article. I am not sure if it was you who removed my edit or if it was Constantine, but either way, I would like for you and I to have a discussion on my talk page if you don't mind. :) Keeby101 (talk) 05:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Sure, what do you want to discuss about? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, not too long ago I uploaded a map of the Sassanid Empire: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Sassanid_Persian_Empire_ca._620_A.D.png When I put that map as the principle image of the article I went on the talk page of the article and ended up getting into a back and fourth argument with Constantine. I even said to him that I looked at the previous arguments about the map that included the area between Yemen and Oman known as Mahra being part of Persia and how you said that the Persians conquered all of Asia minor and you had sources to back it up. However Constantine never aknowledged that part and instead he went on to say this:

Quote 1: "Dear Lord, here we go again. Seriously, simply labelling something as "more accurate" does not make it so. I wish you would take the trouble to at least read the repeated discussions on this above. In short no, your map is not more accurate, it is simply another example of the Iranian nationalists' typical "über-Sassanid Empire" that the whole map dispute is about."

He said that and I clearly stated:

Quote 2: "I have seen that people have been going back and forth on this whole thing. With that being said, I have just the thing to solve it all! :)"

Those were the first word that came from my keyboard on the talk page of the Sassanid Empire article and then I decided to put a link to the map and claimed it was more accurate and used the arguments about the map that you and others had with Constantine as my sources as well as a few books about the Late Antiquity. As I said before, I am sorry for the back and fourth on the map editing of the article.. I could explain a lot more of this in greater detail on my talk page. If you come to my talk page, you will see what I mean. :) Keeby101 (talk) 20:45, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, I wanted to talk a little about Constantine. Is he the creator of the article about the Byzantine and Sassanid Empire? He seems really be on top of things when it comes to those 2 topics that's for sure. Keeby101 (talk) 20:59, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

If you check his talk page where it says HistoryofIran on the title then you will understand better. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I understand all of this now. wow I feel stupid lol. But none of the less, I would like for you to visit my talk page as I would like to know your thoughts on 2 topics that I brought up on my talk page. :) Keeby101 (talk) 04:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:History of the Iranian peoples

Template:History of the Iranian peoples has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you stalking me? it seems so. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Late response to a comment you made.

I hope I am not bothering you right now, but I just wanted to say good find on the Sassanids sailing over and conquering Yemen. Also, I would like for you to visit my talk page again to give me your thoughts on 2 topics that I have brought up. :) Keeby101 (talk) 06:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 ‎

Is there a reason for suddenly deciding to change the title of that article???? If you wanted to change everything to Sassanian, that's okay, but then you should surely be consistent throughout the article right??? Personally, I think Sassanid sounds much better than Sassanian, the latter of which sounds like someone puked it out of somewhere, but your mileage may vary. DemonicInfluence (talk) 07:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)