Talk:Marilyn Manson (band)

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hmmm...

'Mariolyn Manson is a truly intelligent person. Though many have critisized him as "Satanic" "Horrible" And "disturbing". None of these morons have gone so far to look into what they call obscene.' erm...written by a 12 year old? This is certainly not NPOV by any stretch and certainly poor writing. How embarrassing!

Paintings

I didn't find any reference to his paintings. Should we open a section for it ? --Julien 03:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's an excellent idea.--Jimmyjrg 03:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A reference already exists at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Manson_%28person%29#Art_career , where it belongs. This article is for the band, not the man himself. 68.235.174.142 04:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just realised that, it gets confusing sometimes --Jimmyjrg 13:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dita Von Teese

Why is Dita Von Teese completely missing from the article? It seems they married on December 3, 2005 ([1])? Could anybody add more about his personal life? Thanks -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see, it's only about the band. My mistake. -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Daisy

Please be aware, for future refrence, Daisy Berkowitz is/has been credited with programming, drums, bass, guitar, and also some lyrics(only from the spooky kids era) his voice is also on My Monkey.

This is undebatable as its in the POAF credits. Gein did do SOME bass but he didnt write too much for Marilyn Manson as he was booted before they could work together more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Synthetic coma (talk • contribs) 07:20, December 16, 2005 (UTC).

Any particular reason, then, that the credits for Portrait read "All bass by Gidget Gein"? --keepsleeping say what 17:14, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, it's not even an issue, because the article lists each member and his primary instrument. Pogo plays theremin on Portrait; it's not in the list. Manson plays pan flute on Antichrist Superstar and harpsichord on Holy Wood; that's not in the list. Daisy played guitar and, because he was responsible for most of the Spooky Kids-era programming, he's also credited with that. --keepsleeping say what 17:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, to prevent edit warring on this article, I've added the following lines following the personnel list:

Most, if not all, members of the band have contributed performances (either live or in-studio) on instruments other than their primary ones. For instance, Gacy has played theremin and calliope, Manson has played pan flute and harpsichord, and Berkowitz has been credited with bass guitar, drum machines, and vocals.

Further details on these contributions can be found in the individual members' articles and in the articles on the band's albums. --keepsleeping say what 17:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Manson is credited with the Pan flute. It meant Gein recorded the album. I guess it depends on how detailed you want it, do you want it about what the person contributed, or what the person played live?

For the record, Id consider that a Primary contribution. It was only Daisy Pogo and Manson for most of the time before getting signed. Bassists (as you can see in the former members) had been in and out.

Genre

It should be decided which music genre Manson is as it seems every few weeks to get changed between "nu metal" and "alternative", I feel he is either alternative or rock, isn't nu metal more like Linkin Park and even Limp Bizkit?

It's more hard rock than anything. That's the definition I've always used, and that's the definition I've seen used the most. Calling the band nu metal, though, is ridiculous - it displays almost none of the qualities associated with nu metal. ~ Dead 03:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It's far from being nu metal. Jeremyh 22:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

nah ive always said its shock rock or even glam, as it has alot of influences from these sorts of bands.

Well they have alot of Glam influences, but they're only really "Glam" on Mechanical Animals, the thing with Manson, they play a different variation of music each album, I think the most general term would be "Industrial Rock".... as the core seems to be predominatly Hard rock with some Industrial. - Deathrocker 19:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Industrial Metal, but it is also Industrial Rock. New metal is just wrong, and I dont think alternative is quite right either. -BugsyAbsolute

Practicing satanist???

Im not sure if this is where I go to ask such questions, but is there any information available regarding Marilyns having been made an official satanic priest by Anton Lavey and his embrace or disancing himself from it after Antons death? Also I have heard that he embraces the republican party but cant find any info to validate this. These are both facts I got off of a political chat room, so I cant verify them, although VH1 DID say that Marylin was given preisthood status by Mr Lavey, they dont speak as to if he is still a member. jake

Manson does say that he was made reverend by AL in his book. I haven't read it in a while, so I can't give more details... --Julien 03:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Manson was made a Reverend by Anton LaVey, but this is a title of respect from the Church of Satan, and can be bestowed upon those who are not members. Manson is not a member of the CoS, nor is he a Priest, he simply was a fan of Anton LaVey's philosophy. Furthermore, Manson never HAS been a member of the CoS. -- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 04:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above answer is incorrect. "Reverend" is a title which spans several ranks within the CoS, including Priest. Manson is an official member of the CoS, and bears the rank of Priest.

As for embracing the Republican party, he's made statements in the past that could be taken that way (he supported Bush for President in 2000, but that was largely because Al Gore's running mate was his arch-nemesis Joe Lieberman), plus... well... he's rich. He's also made more recent statements opposing the Bush administration, so his political views are fairly ambiguous. --keepsleeping quit your job! slack off! 04:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- - thanks of the info to all who contributedPickelbarrel 21:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was watching a documentary on Marilyn Manson and it claims that he has said publicly that he was Christian now. Is this true? TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC) If he did say that, it could be contributed to his sense of humour. Otherwise it would remove the point of his philosphies.... can you tell me what doco you were watching?[reply]

Possible fun

Something that I always found interesting, and seems to be a fairly popular myth is the "Marilyn Manson was the actor from the Wonder Years". Perhaps if someone feels up to it they can find a way to incorporate it.[2][3] Arkon 04:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is already in the article on Marilyn Manson the person (Brian Warner). This article is about the band. Mdhowe 08:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm

"the last name of a mass murderer or a serial killer"

Same thing isn't it? Also it must be noted, Manson has never named Alice Cooper as an influence.- Deathrocker 05:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. A mass murderer might kill a group of people in the same event. A serial killer reaches their total by killing one or two people at a time in several events over a long period of time. -- Mikeblas 22:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that Charles Manson is not a mass murderer or serial killer, rumored to have killed one person.

'them and their tapes to The Record Plant in Los Angeles, California where Manson peformed anal intercourse on goats and children before and after performing oral sex on himself'...excuse me?

Manson mentions Cooper as an influence in his book.

Where in his book does he mention him as an influence? He may have listened to his music, but does that warrant him as an influence? Not in my book LuciferMorgan 03:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Absolutely fantastic". Is that objective?

Late influences have come from the absolutley fantastic literature and poetry of David Beckham, whose chameleon-like ability to shift from one style to another, replete with a new look and musical philosophy, was a characteristic which would also be frequently ascribed to Marilyn. --Bad carpet 17:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, and I believe it should David Bowie not David Beckham.

Images

I have just looked throught the Marilyn Manson website and the content is great, however it is ruined by the many images which criss cross over the text, leaving boxes for images left blank while the image that is supposed to be in it sits across the other side of the screen. I am unsure of how to change the images and wont touch them incase it ruins it however this is all that is wrong with the page, once that is sorted it will work perfectly. --Slipdisk 21:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The images appear okay in my browser (MSIE 6). It's likely the problem is with how your browser is rendering the page. --malber 21:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marilyn Manson On The Internet - separate article?

Would it be worth creating a new article on Manson's website and the many updates as it looks like it will become irelevent here after a while and it's getting quite long. sorry i forgot to sign this --Jimmyjrg 10:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]