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indenting a paragraph

How do you indent a paragraph on a wikipedia page? Thank you.Lhegtvedt (talk) 23:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

You can just insert a colon at the beginning of the line (like I did with this comment). Note, however, that you should not indent a new paragraph in an article, our Manual of Style notes that "Between paragraphs—as between sections—there should be only a single blank line". (See MOS:PARAGRAPHS.) Other kinds of indentation include the numbered list, which works by beginning the line with a # instead of a :, bullets, which use a * instead of a :, and block quotes, which are explained at Template:Quote. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 01:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

New editor exercise coming 7 September for "Software testing"

Hello Teahousers,

There is a long-standing group of software testers who meet every month, and this month they intend to update the information in the articles on Software Testing and related information, while using the new VisualEditor as newbies. I've left a note on the talk page, but any other support that might be warranted would be welcome.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Software_testing#Weekend_Testers_America_to_edit_on_this_subject_7_September_2013 Cmcmahon (talk) 22:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

mathematics - unit vectors

let u = i - j, v = i/2 - j/3, and w = si + tj. find the values of s and t such that: a) w = u/2 - v/3. b) w is the unit vector in the direction of u/4 - 5u/7. c) the angle between w and 2u - v/3 is π/4 and w is perpendicular to -u + 4v.41.72.105.131 (talk) 18:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

This looks like it may be a homework question, but please note that we won't do your homework for you.--ukexpat (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Refrence Desk Questions

Last time you said my questions were fit for the Wikipedia:Reference Desk but how do you ask a question on there? IGotProof (talk) 13:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

It's very similar to asking a question here at the Teahouse. Go to the appropriate Reference Desk (for example, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment for questions about sports, popular culture, movies, music, video games, and TV shows), click on the "Ask a new question" button, type in the subject line and the text of your question, sign with ~~~~, and click on "Save page". Gandalf61 (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In accordance with the instructions at the top of that page, first you search to see whether an answer is already available on Wikipedia. If not, then where it says "For information on any topic, choose a category for your question:" you choose a category for your question. Having done that, when you have read the further instructions, you can use the button labelled "Ready? Ask a new question". - David Biddulph (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

New article

I have started work on a new article in my sandbox. I have added one reference and several links but I keep getting a citation error message even when I have fixed the problems. Could you have a quick look at it please? 11:51, 5 September 2013 StephenClen (talk) 11:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The problem is that you've got an extra <ref> </ref> after the {{reflist}}. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:59, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The error message help page says "This message may also show if there are <ref>...</ref> tags after the reference list markup". Gandalf61 (talk) 12:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will delete the extra <ref> </ref>.StephenClen (talk) 23:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC) I have moved your reply to the section where I think you intended it, and I have also added <nowiki> </nowiki> tags so that readers can see the text you wrote: "<ref> </ref>". - David Biddulph (talk) 02:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Featured list

I created List of covered bridges in Columbia County, Pennsylvania a while ago. Is it possible that it would pass a featured list nomination? Thanks, ^King Jakob _C2 11:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

My impression from looking over the article is that it is a great start but that it would not meet the criteria at this time. One of the criteria is that the lead be engaging. This is very subjective, but I noticed that at least one transportation-related list was de-featured for starting with "this is a list of ...". The presence of a red-link in the lead is going to be a problem. Many featured lists include extra images outside the table itself to illustrate the article. In your list a map might be appropriate, as well as photos of historical artifacts and hurricane damage. You will need to go into more detail about the weather damage and repair. Your list of sources needs more breadth. I know that's a lot to pile on you, but take it a step at a time, call in help when you need it, be patient and persistent, and you will get there. I also recommend following the candidate list to make sure you have addressed all the concerns the reviewers there are likely to bring up. Best wishes! DPRoberts534 (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

How to find out about the status of of my submitted Wikipedia article?

Hi, I'm trying to find out the reviewing progress for my submitted Wikipedia article around the Wikipedia website but unable to look for answer. I need help here. Please advice. BELLO2 OFFICIAL (talk) 09:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

You will find your contributions listed at Special:Contributions/BELLO2_OFFICIAL, which you can find by clicking the "Contributions" link at the top of any Wikipedia page. In this case I guess that the draft article about which you are asking is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bello2. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, David! You've been a great help. BELLO2 OFFICIAL (talk) 10:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

You'll also want to change your username (see the instructions at WP:CHUS). In short, names implying an official position are forbidden, as are usernames that represent a product or website. ^King Jakob _C2 11:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Cancel/rescind move request?

I requested a move request (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AAP_DTD) but after reading up some more and having received a few comments on the talk page, I would like to rescind this request. Is there a way to rescind/revoke/cancel a move request? Is this necessary and/or best practice? Thanks in advance G74793 (talk) 02:57, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I would suggest that you merely add a comment to Talk:AAP DTD#Requested move, saying something like "Request withdrawn by nominator", & including a link to the rationale for withdrawal (presumably WP:SINGULAR). - David Biddulph (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Sounds great, thank you for the advice! G74793 (talk) 03:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

How to create a page that already exist in another language?

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I want to create a page that already exists in English language in another language, ex. Albanian, Macedonian. Could you please show me how! Bayern26 (talk) 01:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Welcome to Teahouse. There is a feature called "Transwiki", which is copying and moving articles or pages from a WikiMedia project to another WikiMedia project. I recommend you read WP:CWW for more information regarding TransWiki. Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia#Copying_from_other_Wikimedia_Projects says, "If copying or moving via "transwiki" from another Wikimedia project that is licensed under CC-BY-SA (such as Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, and Wikispecies), you may satisfy attribution either by providing a complete list of authors of the original content (the complete list can be generated by copying the history of the remote page) or by providing a direct link to the original material." Then after use the Template:Translated page template to do the translation. It's quite easy and simple! ///EuroCarGT 02:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

To clarify one point in the reply above, Template:Translated page does not automatically do the translation for you; it merely gives you a means of providing the necessary attribution to the source article.

For more information on translation, see Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate. Bear in mind also that each language's Wikipedia has its own rules, such as for notability, and its own manual of style, so a simple translation from one language to another may not satisfy the requirements of the destination Wikipedia. Images are another problem, in that an image loaded into one specific language Wikipedia cannot be used in an article in another language. Only images uploaded to Commons (for which the licensing restrictions are more stringent) can be used across all Wikipedias. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Looking at this again, I think that I (along with the previous respondent) may have misread the original question. If you are talking about translating an article from the English Wikipedia to another language, the guidance is at Wikipedia:Translate us. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Bayern26. I created a simple intro at User:Biosthmors/Your first article you might find helpful. Biosthmors (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Dealing with conspiracy theorists and racists (not mutually exclusive)

Any suggests on dealing with someone who believes and promotes racist propaganda? In this case, the user believes that Whites are being subjected to genocide in South Africa. So far, it's mostly contained to a talk page, but this user has tried to edit other pages with this info. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi EvergreenFir, you do seem to come across some interesting users. I would point them towards our Wikipedia is not a soapbox policy and reinforce what is a reliable source. If they persist in using Facebook then a block will almost certainly be forthcoming after a fourth-level warning. Discussion such as the one you've pointed to, if it occurs on article talk pages, can be reverted based on Wikipedia is not a forum and the user given escalating warnings as no improvements can be credibly discussed using Facebook as a source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Lol, this is what I get for watching the new user creation log. Thanks for the info. I will keep an eye on their edits and be as civil as possible. The WP:NOTFORUM is a useful one that I didn't know about. Thanks! EvergreenFir (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

"Owning" an article...

Hello! I've been around Wikipedia for a while, and opened an account yesterday. I am concerned about an editor who persistently inserts information without reliable links (or any explanation at all) and then reverts the information (without explanation) when it is corrected. I attempted to discuss this with him/her on an article talk page yesterday, but the editor just briefly stated their view (again without back-up) and continued to revert the information in the article without explanation. This puzzles me as the article is now apparently "owned" by the editor. I appreciate that some people are very enthusiastic, but I don't really think this is in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia. If anybody can offer advice, I would be very grateful.

(Etheldavis (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty new here, but here's my two cents:

If you've tried talking with the user but to no avail, you can bring it to the attention of the admins. Especially if the user has violated the WP:3RR. I am not sure if this is over one particular subject being added to an article or not, but if so, there is also WP:3O and WP:DR. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome! NO one owns any articles or pages here on Wikipedia as part of the conduct policies. You should try to warn the user again on their talk page about adding content you feel is not right for the article or page. Then go over to the dispute resolution as User:EvergreenFir said to discuss the issue and see how the members there could help you out. If this is persistent, you should go to the Administrator's Noticeboard, start a new discussion and see what could be done. ///EuroCarGT 02:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there a quick way to turn a long list into a multi-column table?

Hi,

I have a very long list (see long list here) in an article I'm developing. The list, in my opinion, looks too awkward because of its vertical length and I'd like to restructure it into a multi-column table. Is there a quick way to turn a list into a multi-column table without having to manually code the table using Wiki markup language?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

-- My Best --FGuerino (talk) 20:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Good question and something that is not often asked, in my experience. Does Help:Columns help?--ukexpat (talk) 20:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi ukexpat,

This definitely helps. Thank you! --FGuerino (talk) 21:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Autobiography

Hi everybody recently I found a very interesting Autobiography. The name's Ravi Solanki - Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ravi Solanki. The man first created an account for himself and then went about to create an Autobiography with Facebook and Wikipedia articles as sources, which don't contain the info BTW. I got to know about it from this picture - File:Ravi solanki.jpg. The sandbox link has the article. I don't have much experience with AfC so can't comment on it much. But its a clear Wikipedia:Autobiography and or Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. What to do with this user and apparently autobiographer? Sohambanerjee1998 18:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think Facebook is a reliable source and we cannot add reference of Wikipedia itself. As far as I know... Just drop him a message telling him something like this:

Hi, you are dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason. -- Those are Theroadislong's words but it is applicable to the situation. Happy editing. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

They're not my words exactly, they are the standard twinkle message for users with a conflict of interest. :) Theroadislong (talk) 18:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ohhhh... where can I find those little but helpful messages? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Install/enable Twinkle, see WP:TW.--ukexpat (talk) 18:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The article should not be created because the subject does not meet the notability guideline for creative professionals. Very few of the citations listed reference reliable sources, and the ones that are left either do not mention him prominently or do not mention him at all. See WP:ARTIST. DPRoberts534 (talk) 21:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

kane123155

how do you start a page (Kane123155 (talk) 14:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The link you need is WP:Your first article. I have added some other useful links on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Multiple Media Sources w/ Same Name

Howdy Folks,

I was interested in writing an wiki entry about Outpost Magazine (the Canadian world travel magazine). However, there seems to be multiple Outpost Magazines.

What should I do in this circumstance. The current entry on Wikipedia for Outpost Magazine is for a monthly magazine published "by Americans for a Safe Israel."

Cheers!

Danskiiii (talk) 13:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

You would use a disambiguating title such as Outpost (Canadian magazine).--ukexpat (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Subjects with the same name are differentiated by a process called disambiguation. The example you gave however is a redirect page and it is acceptable to usurp the redirect for the article in that name provided the subject meets all other Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion. I suggest you create your article as a draft on a user sub-page, for example User:Danskiiii/Outpost Magazine, and move it to the appropriate title after an experienced user has a look to assist you where possibly needed.—John Cline (talk) 14:15, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help folks, I'll get on this pronto.Danskiiii (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest & Disruptive Editing by Spammer

Hello Teahouse Mentors: I've been gone for a few weeks due to business & medical. When I returned I was notified of a conflict of interest and spam situation which I am going to ask you for your help and expertise. We have been working on the Article Warm Mouse

IP address 99.151.22.177 is the owner of changes made below and has a clear conflict of interest: 1. added their product's name 2. removed images uploaded to Commons

http://myip.ms/view/ip_addresses/1670845952/99.151.22.0_99.151.22.255

The owner of WarmMe Warm Mouse is trying to SPAM this article for self serving purposes. The owner resides in Ventura California. New user (99.151.22.177) making two changes only to that page to include the name of the product they sell online and it is not mentioned at all in any of the references listed on the page.

Special:Contributions/99.151.22.177

Can we monitor this page a little more closely so it does not turn into a disruptive situation? I also added this info to the article's Talk page. As you know, I am fairly new here and am turning to you because of your level of expertise in this area.

Thank you for your guidance and support. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you, 301man (talk) 09:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

301man Good spot, Report the user to an admin looks like to be a promotion only. Sohambanerjee1998 13:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Sohambanerjee1998 Thank you! I sent an email to Help. I don't know how to submit to an Admin. Appreciate your guidance. 301man (talk) 18:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I made a few (early) edits to the subject article earlier today, and have expressed some initial thoughts on the alleged spammer and the focus/scope of the article on the article Talk page. I will monitor the article for a few days/weeks going forward and help 301man learn the ropes of Wiki-editing in this situation, while endeavoring to keep all editor interactions quite civil and constructive. I may in the future propose an article move to make the article cover an entire class of products rather than, as it is now, cover just a single company's product. Cheers. N2e (talk) 21:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

:-) Thank you all! I really like the way you think. I truly enjoy your idea to create an entire "class" of products!! I'd love to help with that, too. Please keep me in the loop. I use many of the heated products because of a medical condition I have, so I'd be more than happy to do research!!!! Thank you! Great Idea N2e!!! 301man (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Changing the heading

Hi..i'm working on my first page and would like to know how to make changes in the heading of the article. It is a company page; recently the company has changed its name. Kindly guide me.Swati.vemp (talk) 09:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Swati and welcome to the teahouse. The answer is that you change the name of an article by moving the article. There is an option next to the 'edit' 'read' and 'history' tabs, though you have to pick a down-arrow to see it. --ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I have moved Financial Information Network and Operations Ltd. to FINO PayTech.--ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

What can I do here?

Hi,

I was just wondering if someone could give me a few links of things that I could do here. I have been on the getting started page and I find that useful, but they are 3 things out of however many things there are you can do. Please could someone provide a few more options that I could look into? Thanks for reading and taking the time :) MrBauer24 (talk) 07:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

That all depends what you want to do! There's a lot of great articles on here but also a lot of articles that could be improved. You could click Random Article and just look for grammar/spelling errors and maybe see where general improvements can be made. I'd also advise making use of the search feature to find articles that you can personally relate to and support. Just always try your best to assume good faith, most of our contributors aren't malicious and while some may see vandalism, generally a bad edit is a test or a mistake. Patrolling Recent Changes can also keep you busy. I personally usually patrol IP edits (users not logged in), however new and even old registered user accounts are commonly seen to have published errors or non-constructive information. Remember, we're all about working as a community, so never be afraid to ask for advice at the Teahouse and on talk pages! - Xerooz (Leave a message!) 10:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Google and Infobox

How do I edit my article so the Infobox shows up in Google search? MC Potbelly 04:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcpotbelly (talk • contribs)

Can you give an example of an article where this is a problem, and the Google search to find it? DPRoberts534 (talk) 04:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

We don't have any control over Google's search, so there's no formula we can give you. I assume you're talking about the information box that shows up for many subject searches? Google does often use Wikipedia's information, taken from the infobox, for many subjects. There are, however, a few subjects for which it pulls information from other sources or doesn't provide a block of information at all. If the infobox for your article isn't showing up, it could be because a) it's a new article/infobox and Google hasn't found it yet; b) it doesn't have a high enough search rating for Google to use it; c) Google fond a source it prefers to Wikipedia; or d) Some other reason we may never guess. The only advice I can offer, unfortunately, is to sit back and wait - there's a good chance that Google'll pick it up, though it might not. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 04:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

In my experience, data fields in the Google box looking like an infobox is often not based on the Wikipedia infobox. When people post help desk complaints about errors in the Google data, we often reply with Template:HD/GKG. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Really? I knew they used information from the article, so just assumed that much of it was from the infobox. Either way, I suppose the answer is still "wait and see - they may or may not use it", but I'll consider using Template:HD/GKG in the future. Thanks. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 00:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

GA bot

I've started the good article review for Confiscated Armenian properties in Turkey, but for some reason the GA bot doesn't seem to be working. It didn't inform the nominator or transclude the review to the talk page, so I ended up doing both manually. The review doesn't appear to be acknowledged on the Wikipedia:Good article nominations page either, and I'm a little concerned that the bot won't work when the article is passed or failed and will just remain on the list with the others awaiting review. --1ST7 (talk) 00:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi 1st7, thanks for bringing your concern. It's strange the GA bot isn't working-- I actually just started a review recently, and the bot worked correctly in notifying the nominator. When bots like this one are not behaving as expected, it's usually best just to leave a note on the page for the bot itself GA bot (talk · contribs) or on the owner's page, Chris G (talk · contribs). I hope it can get resolved soon. Thanks, I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 15:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#What to do without GA bot?. Gandalf61 (talk) 16:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Submitted material

About a month ago I submitted biographaical material..I do not have a copy of it...How can I retrieve the material to review for editing purposes...The material was submitted as Al (Allen) Schwartz....my e-mail is (redacted) my member name is Al Schwartz3 Correction e- mail should be (redacted)

Thank You, Al Schwartz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Schwartz3 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Al, and welcome to the tea house. I've removed your email address, as nobody will contact you by email, and this is a very public place to post email addresses.

I'm not sure how to answer your question: it is straightforward to search for the contribution history of your account (pick the 'Contributions' link at the top of the page) but this question is the first contribution you have made from this account; so if you posted something else, you must have done it under another account, or not logged in. Wikipedia doesn't really have a concept of "submitting" data - you just edit a page. Do you know which page you edited to put the data on? Was it biographical data to add to an existing page, or were you trying to make a new page? Without information like this, it is impossible to help you find your data. --ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I think this relates to User:Al (Allen) Schwartz - this is not a draft article but a user page. As it currently stands it is probably inappropriate as a user page and would be rejected as a draft article, the latter because as it doesn't cite any sources.--ukexpat (talk) 18:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Issues Box Question

If I fix the problems that were put at the top of the page in an issues box, can I then remove the box? Thanks. Glenburne (talk) 21:24, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can. It's a good idea to explain your action in the edit summary, so that it won't look like vandalism. (Of course, another editor may disagree that you have fixed the issue adequately and restore the tags. Then you can have a discussion with them on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

In addition Glenburne, to avoid conflict as much as possible be sure to check and double check that the issues mentioned are genuinely fixed/improved. What you could do if you like is raise your concerns on the talk page of the article in question, potentially allowing other editors to offer their feedback on whether any tagged issues still remain. - Xerooz (Leave a message!) 04:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of User:FGuerino/Information technology industry?

Hi,

I've been working to develop an article on the topic of the information technology industry. I'm getting close to the point where I'd like to submit it for peer review. However, before doing so, I'd like to do whatever I can to clean it up. I was hoping that I could kindly impose on some of you to take a look and offer whatever suggestions you might have for improving it.

Thanks, in advance, for any help you can offer.

--My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia Teahouse! Before submitting an article to AfC (Articles for Creation), you have to make sure it complies with core content policies, which are: having a neutral point of view, comes from reliable sources and must not contain original research. I would make sure the article your about to submit matches those criteria. Always try improving and updating articles. Also make sure your article is not too long to read and is easy to navigate too. Good luck on the AfC!! ///EuroCarGT 21:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi ///EuroCar,

Thanks for the quick response. Yes, I've been doing what I can to achieve, both, a neutral POV and ensure there's no original content. I've been staring at the article for months and it gets harder and harder to see things because I'm too close to the material, which is why I reached out to members of the Teahouse. Hopefully, all of you will start to catch things that I'm missing. If you see anything specific that I can address immediately, please let me know and I'll do what I can to fix it. -- My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

In this sentence:

"On May 22 of 1973, Robert Metcalfe published a memorandum at Xerox XRX +0.5% Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) that is considered to be the documented invention of Ethernet."

What does the XRX +0.5% mean? Is that a stock quote? DPRoberts534 (talk) 04:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi DPRoberts534, I've corred this. Thanks for catching the error. --FGuerino (talk) 11:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The table of contents is daunting. I recommend that you simplify the article as much as you can and reword the section headers so they are shorter. DPRoberts534 (talk) 04:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi DPRoberts534, This is a tougher issue to deal with. The topic, itself, is a larger one as industries are very large topics to write about. However, I keep working to find ways to consolidate and optimize. Thanks. --FGuerino (talk) 11:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Translation of an Infobox: Linking to an already uploaded image

Big thanks to anyone who can help me with this. I'm creating an English version of a German page. An image has already been uploaded on the de site and I'd like to link to it rather than upload it twice. Does anyone know how to do this? �Formalmind (talk) 18:30, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Formalmind! It depends on where the image has been uploaded. If it was directly uploaded to de.wikipedia.org (which I would guess is the case), then I'm afraid there's no way to link to it on en without re-uploading it here first. If it was instead uploaded to Commons, and then linked to from de, then it should be possible. Can you give us the link to the image in question? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

You are speedy!! Here's the link: https:/upwiki/wikipedia/de/e/e2/Logo_Requirements_Modeling_Framework_%28RMF%29.png

It doesn't look like it's in the commons. So I guess I will upload it again. This time I'll upload it into the commons.

Thank you again. Formalmind (talk) 18:39, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

It's at de:File:Logo Requirements Modeling Framework (RMF).png - German Wikipedia, not Commons. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sources

Hi, I am planning to eventually try and get this to featured list, but would the present sources pass FL criteria? Thanks, Matty.007 17:54, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

From what I can see, yes. Government sources are generally accepted as reliable. Wikipedia:Featured_list_criteria might have more information for you. theonesean 20:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, Theonesean, what about the sources from Xe? Thanks for answering, Matty.007 16:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

That's a tough one. I'd say yes, snap decision, but there might be other issues. As it's a currency company, it should be fairly reliable. Thanks, theonesean 20:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

file not found for book creation

Can you help? Please? When I press download in pdf or word for my book creation it goes through the rendering process, tells me the file is ready for download and then the file is not found. Anyone? thank you RogerHodgepodge25 (talk) 15:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rodger-- the Teahouse is for asking question related to editing or improving Wikipedia, not for software-related troubleshooting. You might consider going to the Reference Desk for computing issues. Thanks, I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 15:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

ok thanks and sorry for asking here!Hodgepodge25 (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Jethro, I think Roger is asking about using Wikipedia, specifically the Book Creator. If that is so, Roger, then this is indeed a suitable place to ask. However, you may find more people with expertise in that area either on the technical section of the Village Pump or at Help:Books/Feedback.

Oh sheesh, I'm so sorry. I had no idea Book Creator was an actual thing and I completely misunderstood. I'll ping @Hodgepodge25: now. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 16:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

How to render thumb correctly

I'm wondering if someone can direct me to the correct resources to learn how to rectify a situation such as that existing in the article on HMS Ambush (S120) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ambush_(S120), where the flowing text's bullets are superimposed on the image? I've studied the Wikipedia:Picture Tutorial, but I don't believe it or its linked resources provide just what I'm looking for... Tech77 (talk) 14:14, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

This is a known problem where left-aligned images are followed by lists. There are several solutions:

• move the image further up so that there's sufficient plain text before the list - the problem with that is that since screen widths differ, you don't know exactly how far up you need to move it
• move the image further down so that it begins after the list ends - the problem with that is that it might protrude into the next section where it's not relevant
• alter the image from |left| to |right| - the problem with that is that the infobox might push the image down into the next section where it's not relevant
• add a {{clear left}} just above the list - this forces the list to start when the left margin is clear, that is, after the bottom of the image

Personally I'd pick the third (if there is space) or fourth (if there isn't). --Redrose64 (talk) 14:46, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

What action should be taken regarding erroneous or biased history?

What action should I take when I come across a page regarding history that is erroneous or biased? Should I just edit, or should I seek out peers to make a case and proceed with community support?Peter A Garcia (talk) 03:14, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey Peter A Garcia, welcome to Wikipedia! My suggestion in a situation like that is: start by editing it and being certain to provide good sources to support the change. If you're reverted, discuss the changes on the article's talk page. Howicus (talk) 03:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

and be careful not to include any personal research, argumentation, analysis, or synthesis. These may be in an article only if directly summarising arguments in reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

How to create Classroom Progress Chart

I teach English to second language learners, and I wanted to help them become autonomous learners. I like the idea of a classroom chart that has all the students names listed on one axis and on the other axis would be certain skills the students would need to master during a semester course. Usually this would be a big chart hanging on the wall in the classroom, but I don't have my own classroom and move around a lot, so how could I create this type of chart, and give access to my students so they could note their own progress in their various skills?

178.61.41.163 (talk) 19:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse 178.61.41.163 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)! Although this is likely more of a question you would have done well to do a Google search on or asked on a site that caters to these types of questions, I suggest checking out Goggle+ and Google docs' spreadsheet application (which allows you to create a table as you request). Unfortunately, we wouldn't be able to help you host such a thing on Wikipedia because it is not encyclopedic and we are an encyclopedia. Feel free to email me if you need any further assistance with this and I would be happy to try and help you! Technical 13 (talk) 23:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Ceiling fans?

I know I'm new here, but what's with people adding videos of ceiling fans? EvergreenFir (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I for one don't know EvergreenFir. I'm not sure if I recall seeing one or not! Biosthmors (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Just seen one in some pizzeria page. Some users are spamming those YouTube videos of ceiling fans in the external links section. I'll just give them a warning, and if persistent report to admins. ///EuroCarGT 19:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I've see it a few times now, Mohonk Mountain House‎ being the most notable for its persistence. I was just wondering if this is some meme or troll thing on Wikipedia. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Not sure, we can't assume if it's some troll or meme activity. However it's very disruptive. Any external links that doesn't relate with the subject in the article is a violation of external link policy. By looking at the Mohonk Mountain House page history the user who put up the link is most likely block evading. ///EuroCarGT 23:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I think it is a meme [1]. ^King Jakob _C2 00:08, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Rickrolling is so passé.--ukexpat (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Why my page is still orphan??

I created a page called "Paradox engineering", at the beginning the article was considered for deletion, after i modified some stuff and it changes in orphan; today I have reviewed everything respecting the modality of writing, including external links, wikilinks, references and so on...Why is still an orphan page? How can I convert it into a real page? Please help me I am really desperate...:(

Thank u guys 62.48.123.83 (talk) 16:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Orphan means that no other pages link to it. Add links to the page from other pages, and it will no longer be an orphan. Ginsuloft (talk) 16:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

In fact I just checked and the page is not an orphan. I removed the tag because it was incorrect. Ginsuloft (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply:) You mean that now is everything correct and I have to wait for the approvation? Sunny2888 (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

There is no "approvation" - the article is already in mainspace, which means it's already a "real" article, but it's being considered for deletion because someone nominated it for deletion. You can share your thoughts on whether it should be deleted or not at the article's AfD entry. If there's a general consensus that the page should be kept, it will be kept, otherwise it will be deleted. Simple as that. Just wait until the deletion nomination ends. Also, please always remember to log in when editing. Ginsuloft (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Help with Wikitable

Hey. It's Philroc again. How do you put 2 or more junctions into one location? Thanks! Philroc (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Philroc, it sounds like you want rowspan and colspan to merge table cells. See Table cell#Colspan and Rowspan and Help:Table. Does that help? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I tried reading them, but they're all too technical. Can you give a simple tutorial on how to do it? Philroc (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know which part you have problems with. I think it's better if you say exactly what you want in which article so we can show you how to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, I was making my SR 623 section in List of secondary state highways in Virginia. I had transcluded Template:Jct onto a table listing the major intersections of the route. In the beginning, two junctions were in the same location, but I couldn't make it so that they were both in the same cell. Can you teach me how to do that? Philroc (talk) 13:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's still unclear what exactly you want. You didn't name any cells and List of secondary state highways in Virginia#First segment is confusing. The third column has heading "Destinations" but mostly consists of numbers. Wikipedia has millions af articles and I'm familiar with table syntax but not road articles. If all you want to do is use Template:Jct twice in the same cell then it isn't really a table issue. Just place <br /> after the first use. But I suspect you want to restructure the table in a way that isn't clear to me. If you want to do the same as is already done for Scottsville then click edit and see how it was done with rowspan=2 in the first two cells. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That's because I tried deleting the "Miles" column because there weren't really any mileposts on SR 623. By the way, I got the table from the SR 6 article. Philroc (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The table structure is getting worse and I still don't know what you want. SR 6 is a redirect to List of highways numbered 6. Maybe you mean Virginia State Route 6. Click edit to see how the table was made with rowspan and colspan. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The table is still a mess and most of it is apparently about Virginia State Route 6 and not about the roads in the article, so I have moved it to Talk:List of secondary state highways in Virginia#Major intersections. You can work on tests and drafts at User:Philroc/sandbox and copy them to an article when they work. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Copy paste

I have found a wikipedia user constantly copy pasting texts from the websites he cites, including things like 'released today', 'began yesterday' etc. which are subject to change. Should I inform him directly, or am I supposed to report somewhere? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you should inform him directly. I haven't heard of any place where you can report that. Philroc (talk) 13:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

You can point him to WP:REALTIME. Note that a direct quote in quotation marks should not change wording, but it should have a reference giving the date it is from. It's usually best to avoid quoting statements like your examples. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks PrimeHunter. Philroc (talk) 13:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

But this user seems to have a history of such edits. Looks like a seasoned vandal. His contributions suggest the same. So? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

It's hard to give more advice without knowing which user it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

[2] and [3] here is an example. Hope you can find the user from it. Follow the link; the sentence is exactly as in the webpage. His user talk page has many such issues in the past few days. -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sriram Vikram and thank you for identifying this problem. I agree that this editor does not understand our policies and procedures, especially with regards to copyright. I do not agree that the editor is a "seasoned vandal". This person seems to be acting in good faith. Vandalism is a deliberate effort to damage the encyclopedia by adding false information, profanity, complete nonsense and the like. If this person is blocked from editing, it will be for other issues, not for vandalism. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

So how to sort out this issue? His talk page says he's been warned many times, but still continues to do the same. Are we people supposed to keep correcting his edits? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Sriram Vikram, looks like you haven't warned him yourself. Not a warning template but just a discussion or a polite reminder since he started editing as a registered user for 20 odd days 1. Add these links to your comment - WP:C-P, Wikipedia:Copyrights, Wikipedia:Copyright violations and WP:PARAPHRASE + Link to list of Wikipedia policies. Sohambanerjee1998 20:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Can new editors create a new article immediately?

Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 10:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, see Wikipedia:User access levels#New users and Wikipedia:Your first article. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:50, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem with my wikipedia biography

I have had a really terrible experience with my biography on Wikipedia. Someone has written a bio of my career which is totally erroneous and incomplete and I attempted to change it. I do not know what to do to have it accepted, because it keeps saying it is not the authorized bio. The one I attempted to submit is written by my management Robert Lombardo Asssociates and myself and has appeared all over the world in newspapers, program notes and articles. Please help me to correct this so that the public is not falsely informed. I have a website: www.carolefarley.com where an up-to-date bio appears. This is a very frustrating experience and I would be most grateful for any help66.65.67.227 (talk) 01:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, Carole Farley. If the article in question is the very brief stub Carole Farley, then I see no recent editing activity on either the article or its talk page, and no attempts to expand the biography. Please be aware that this is a neutral encyclopedia, and the subjects of biographies do not control the articles about them. It is very problematic to edit your own biography, or to have a manager attempt to do so. Instead, I recommend that you post an edit request on the talk page, along with suggestions of reliable, independent sources covering your career. Please read the following links, which will help you understand how Wikipedia deals with such issues: autobiography„ conflict of interest, and neutral point of view. Feel free to ask follow-up questions.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Carole. Thanks for asking your question here. Are you referring to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Carole Farley? An encyclopedia article about a person is very different from an official biography from a website. They are written for different reasons and will have different contents. Anything published on a website is automatically copyrighted and can't just be copied into Wikipedia for legal reasons. As Cullen328 says the best thing to do is to supply information on the talk page of Carole Farley. If you have kept a scrapbook supply a list of newspaper and magazine articles written about you. Those are the kinds of independent references needed for an encyclopedia article. You won't be able to control the content in the article, however. Good luck. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Statistics and original research

I am working on statistics for a denomination, see La Luz del Mundo#Statistics. I want reword the second sentence as follows: "The church estimates a total worldwide membership of 5 million adherents. The church, however, does not specify the parameters (e.g. age, attendance, etc.) for inclusion in the statistics." The bold text is the part in question. This is my observation, so is it original research? The number was found on the official church website. Also, can you leave a comment at the RfC on another section: Talk:La Luz del Mundo#RfC: Should the undue weight tag be removed from the Discrimination section?? Thanks. Ajaxfiore (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ajaxfiore. It seems to me that the language you propose is an attempt to cast doubt on the reliability of the church's statistics. Accordingly, I see this as original research. If there is something dubious about the claim, then a reliable source should have commented on the matter. Simply stating that the church is the source is the best solution, in my view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328. I will follow your advice. Ajaxfiore (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

How to insert references

I am having the most difficult time trying to insert a reference source. I've read the help:extension/cite page but it's way too technical and doesn't seem to work. The article I'm trying to insert a reference for is Can't Buy a Thrill. Is there a page that actually provides examples instead of instructions? Thanks. russelray77Russelray77 (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Russelray77, and welcome to the Teahouse. This can be complex, because there are many acceptable methods and two different ways of editing, the old way (called Edit source) and the new Visual Editor. Read Referencing for beginners for a good overview.

Footnotes are probably the most common method. You can do them manually by editing the source code, and here's how: The article needs a "References" section toward the end. The only item in the Wikicode for that section is {{Reflist}}.

The code to create a footnote goes into the article's Wikicode right after the statement to be referenced. So if you want to reference a statement such as "Jane Simpson designed six major buildings in Kansas City", you add <ref> </ref> immediately after that statement. Those two tags begin and end the reference. In between those two tags, you describe the reference in a logical way: Author, Book title, Publisher, City of publication, Publication date, page numbers, and so on. Separate each item with a comma. You can wikilink to any relevant Wikipedia article, such as a biography of the author or article about the publisher.

In this case, the code for your reference might look like:<ref>Watson, Harold, ''Great Architects of Kansas City'', [[Random House]], New York, 1998, pages 78-83 </ref>. This example is made up, but this technique is the easiest one to create references, in my opinion. Read the link I gave for more sophisticated options. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Cullen. That makes total sense, is logical, and is in line with my past 45 years of referencing sources.Russelray77 (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I am glad to have been of assistance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Pardon me for poking my nose into the discussion, but you can also use standardized citation "templates" to guide you in entering a reference's info inside the <ref> </ref> tags described by Cullen. If you're energetic, dive in to Template:Citation, though as I understand it templates are not required to be used. — RCraig09 (talk) 22:30, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

You are correct, RCraig09, that citation templates are very useful. As a matter of fact, I use them often myself. But I was trying to describe the simplest method for a new user having a bit of difficulty getting started with referencing. There are many methods, including semi-automated tools for power users. All methods are acceptable as long as the details about the source needed to verify the information in the article are provided to the reader. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, guys, you can also use VisualEditor. Go to Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide. Philroc (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I need someone to review an article I wrote

I wrote the article Mohawk Mining Company, it currently has a start class rating, and I was wondering if someone could re-review it for me. I'm hoping for C-class or better. John Mortimore (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, John Mortimore. The article is almost entirely cited to a self-published book. In general, self-published books are not considered reliable sources unless the author is a recognized expert in the field who has previously had books issued by reputable publishers. Have you looked into the author's background? Perhaps you can instead read and cite other sources mentioned in the self published book. In my opinion, that issue should be resolved before re-rating the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Don Clarke is a recognized expert in the field, a mine historian who wrote a series of histories of individual mines of the Keweenaw Peninsula. These are included in the historical collection of Michigan Technological University in Houghton. See the Guide To Researching Michigan Copper Mining Companies on the library website. StarryGrandma (talk) 12:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, John Mortimore (talk) 01:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I read the article and thought it would benefit from some detail as to why the company closed down. I do not have access to the facts but if you added that I think it would help readers better.WikiWheatyMike (talk) 09:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I Have a Question

I'm looking for an artist who has albums who don't have singles on them could you give me some albums with that? IGotProof (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi IGotProof. Just for future reference, please note that this page is really geared toward answering questions about editing or using Wikipedia, while your question appears to be a general knowledge question. Such questions are a perfect fit for the reference desk, and in this case probably the miscellaneous section. Anyway, this is a good topic to put Google to work on. A search of "album had no singles" reveals many candidates, including from the first page of results, the Beatles' White Album; Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and Reba McEntire's Reba Live. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse, IGotProof. The entertainment reference desk is where you want to go.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

i need assistence on writing my page in a neutral tone.

i am a professional documentary photographer undertaking a gigantic task that has never been done before, photograping the entire Historic Center of Quito that stretches over an area over 790 acres with 130 monumental buildings plus an estimated 5,000 smaller properties. For those of you who are unaware, The Historic Center of Quito was built on the ruins of an Incan city in the at an altitude of 2,850 metres in the Andes Mountains. This center was, together with the historic centre of Kraków in Poland, the first to be declared World Heritage Site by UNESCO on 18 September 1978 and is considered by many over the world as one of the most important historic areas in Latin America. In the Historic Center of Quito is La Compania Church, considered by scholars as one of the best examples of Spanish Baroque Architecture in the Americas.

my page is listed below, thanks in advance & have a great day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/David_Adam_Kess

Plaza San Francisco ( Church and Convent of St. Francis ) in the Historic Center of Quito.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvarosevilladesign (talk • contribs)

You can begin by reading WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. The first problem with your text that sticks out like a huge sore thumb is that it is written in the first person. Word such as "Me, I, my, you, we, us" are not allowed to be used in articles except in direct quotations. You need to change all of the "me, I and my" to "him, he and his". You also need to decide whether the article is about your whole life (a biography) or if it is about your work in Quito. BTW, there is a fairly long and comprehensive article about Quito so your article doesn't need to include a detailed explanation of the history of the city. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Spam removal

In 2013 in hip hop music there are many refs to itunes such as this which I regard as a blatant use of spam because clicking on the ref simply results in an invitation to buy a product. Therefore I intend to remove all such refs from this article and all also from all other similar articles. Do you think I am right to do this. Can there be any objections? Jodosma (talk) 19:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jodosma-- thanks for your question about removing external links. Per Links normally to be avoided #5, I think you made the right call. Thanks for your work, I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 20:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jodosma. I agree that these links are inappropriate per our guideline on spam. Let's hope no one objects to removing them. If so, discuss it on the article's talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Lets see if we can make a point. There's far too much spam around. Jodosma (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually it is being used as a citation to verify the record label the album was released on, it is not an extra external link. Not to mention you cannot buy anything from the source, because it is just an online reference to what is on iTunes. It does not even directly provide any links anywhere to buy it, just links to download iTunes onto your computer if you do not already have it. STATic message me! 21:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The link prominently features the retail price of the recording, and is clearly a promotional page intended to increase sales of the recording. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

These links, or similar links like ones to Amazon's music store, are acceptable to use in the absence of an alternative. They should not be removed wholesale. If a better citation can be found, please replace them. Ryan Vesey 17:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

The "absence of an alternative" could indicate that there may be a Notability problem. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

In some situations, not this one. Oftentimes, in situations like these, it is best to raise your questions at the page for the relevant wikiprojects. Consider WP:WikiProject Albums. Ryan Vesey 22:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Surely in most cases, the CD/record sleeve will provide the information, and can be used to cite such basic bibliographical (er... musiographical?) facts. The source doesn't need to be online after all! With the caveat that this should only be done by someone who can verify that the information is in fact on the sleeve. MChesterMC (talk) 11:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Prophet sm dennis

my article about prophet sm dennis was deleated help me make it well.Dianakubo (talk) 10:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Dianakubo, we cannot currently see your draft since it has been deleted for being too WP:Promotional. If you want a safe space to place your draft so you can get advice on it, without danger of it getting deleted, you can paste it at User:Dianakubo/Prophet sm dennis (click on that link to start a drafting space). Once you have done that, let us know and we can take a look at your draft. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

You could go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion and ask for a copy, but because the article was too promotional, you might have a hard time getting that accomplished.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Imagemaps

How can I create one of those? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

You need to use an HTML editor. I used to use Dreamweaver, but there are cheaper and even free alternatives available now, such as [4]. Eric Corbett 19:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I mean like the banner of Theonesean or the image in Anna Frodesiak's userpage. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

So did I. It's called an image map because it maps images (or parts of images) to urls, not because it has anything to do with geographical maps. Eric Corbett 19:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks Eric. I guess I'll never had my own image map :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

No reason why you shouldn't, it's very easy to do once you've created your image. Eric Corbett 19:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

See also mw:Extension:ImageMap#See also. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Eric Corbett, Miss Bono, who lives in Cuba, accesses Wikipedia through a limited intranet. She has no regular access to the broader internet, and can't use Google or Wikimedia Commons or any of the vast range of online tools most of us take for granted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Then one of the cheap HTML editors would serve. Eric Corbett 22:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

She can't download software, cheap or free, from the internet. She has no access. Wikipedia is the only external site she has access too. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

What a curious place Cuba must be if that's true. But how did she get hold of her browser then? From a state-owned PC dealership? Some friends of ours were recently on holiday in Cuba, and I don't recall them complaining about lack of access to the Internet. Maybe they had other things on their minds though. Eric Corbett 22:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Internet in Cuba may be helpful to refer to. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 23:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

"When buying computers was legalized in 2007 ..." Extraordinary, quite extraordinary. I wonder what Castro's legacy will be seen to have been by future generations. Eric Corbett 23:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Your friends who visited Cuba recently probably stayed in a tourist enclave, Eric. This is definitely not an appropriate venue to discuss Fidel Castro's legacy. Miss Bono has made it clear that she is uninterested in discussing politics. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Tourists have Internet access at Hotels (very expensive for us) Thanks, Cullen for your explanations and for covering my back. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Then stop discussing it. Simple. Eric Corbett 09:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• Miss Bono welcome back to the Teahouse with another fantastic question! Special programs to do this are not "necessary", but do make it a lot simpler if you are actually making an image map. You could use PrimeHunter's suggestion of checking out Extension:ImageMap (which is what I personally use), or, if that is too advanced for you at this time (you seem to learn very quickly), you can try and do something more simple like create a table with no borders and mess around with (col|row)span and various transparent background images or whatnot, or you can do like Tito Dutta has done and set text (or images) on top of your background using css to manipulate placement of elements. Happy editing!!! Technical 13 (talk) 12:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Technical 13. I cannot access meta, though. I will have to learn to do it with tables and learn about those (col|row) and stuffs! :) Thank you very much! And thanks for the badge. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I had forgotten that you can't get to MediaWiki wiki... In the collapsed section below are the instructions for using that extension for you:

C&P "transclusion" of Extension:ImageMap's instructions for use.

ImageMap is an extension which allows clickable image maps. An image map is a list of coordinates in a specific image, which hyperlinks areas of the image to multiple destinations (in contrast to a normal image link, in which the entire area of the image links to a single destination). For example, a map of the world may have each country hyperlinked to further information about that country. The intention of an image map is to provide an easy way of linking various parts of an image without dividing the image into separate image files.

Examples

Simple example without caption

<imagemap>
Image:Example2.png|150px|alt=Alt text
default [[Main Page|Go to main page]]
</imagemap>

The above example always links to the Main Page, no matter where you click on it. To find out more about the image, click on the blue "i" icon .

Complex example with caption

<imagemap>
Image:JoshuaReynoldsParty.jpg|thumb|center|400px|alt=Dining room with nine men seated around a table. The dinner has been finished, and a large man at the head talks and gesticulates while the others eagerly listen. The men wear wigs and clothing of late 18th century Britain, and the furniture, hangings, and chandelier are of similar vintage. A liveried servant is entering with a tray bearing two high-shouldered decanters of wine.|Image map example. Clicking on a person in the picture causes the browser to load the appropriate article.

poly 133 343 124 287 159 224 189 228 195 291 222 311 209 343 209 354 243 362 292 466 250 463 [[w:Samuel Johnson|Dr Johnson - Dictionary writer]]
poly 76 224 84 255 43 302 62 400 123 423 121 361 137 344 122 290 111 234 96 225 [[w:James Boswell|Boswell - Biographer]]
poly 190 276 208 240 229 228 247 238 250 258 286 319 282 323 223 323 220 301 200 295 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|Sir Joshua Reynolds - Host]]
poly 308 317 311 270 328 261 316 246 320 228 343 227 357 240 377 274 366 284 352 311 319 324 [[w:David Garrick|David Garrick - actor]]
poly 252 406 313 343 341 343 366 280 383 273 372 251 378 222 409 228 414 280 420 292 390 300 374 360 359 437 306 418 313 391 272 415 [[w:Edmund Burke|Edmund Burke - statesman]]
rect 418 220 452 287 [[w:Pasquale Paoli|Pasqual Paoli - Corsican patriot]]
poly 455 238 484 253 505 303 495 363 501 377 491 443 429 439 423 375 466 352 [[w:Charles Burney|Charles Burney - music historian]]
poly 501 279 546 237 567 239 572 308 560 326 537 316 530 300 502 289 [[w:Thomas Warton|Thomas Warton - poet laureate]]
poly 572 453 591 446 572 373 603 351 562 325 592 288 573 260 573 248 591 243 615 254 637 280 655 334 705 396 656 419 625 382 609 391 613 453 [[w:Oliver Goldsmith|Oliver Goldsmith - writer]]
rect 450 86 584 188 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|prob.The Infant Academy 1782]]
rect 286 87 376 191 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|unknown painting]]
circle 100 141 20 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|An unknown portrait]]
poly 503 192 511 176 532 176 534 200 553 219 554 234 541 236 525 261 506 261 511 220 515 215 [[w:Francis Barber|servant - poss. Francis Barber]]
rect 12 10 702 500 [[w:The Club (Literary Club)|Use button to enlarge or use hyperlinks]]
</imagemap>

Image map example. Clicking on a person in the picture causes the browser to load the appropriate article.

The above example links to many different pages, depending on where you click it. To find out more about the image, click on the double-rectangle icon .

Syntax description

The contents of an <imagemap> tag consists of blank lines, comments (starting with #) and logical lines. The first logical line specifies the image to be displayed. This must be in the same format as an ordinary MediaWiki image link, except without the enclosing [[ and ]]. If the first line specifies a "thumb" or "frame" image, then the first line's caption and any |alt= parameter are treated as the image's caption and alt text in the usual way; otherwise, the first line's |alt= parameter (or, if absent, any caption) specifies the image's alt text. In neither case does the image itself have title text (often used for tooltips); any title text is taken from the regions described in later lines.

Further lines are split into tokens, separated by whitespace. The function of each line is determined by the first token in the line. All coordinates are according to the full-size image, not the visible image. They should be specified as distance from left edge (horizontal pixel count), distance from top (vertical pixel count).

desc

Specifies the location of a blue "i" icon , which links to the image description. Possible values: top-right, bottom-right (default), bottom-left, top-left, none. This parameter is ignored for "thumb" or "frame" images, which instead employ the usual double-rectangle icon .

Example:

<imagemap>

Image:PolierMartinWombwellZoffany.jpg|thumb|200px|Colonel Antoine Polier

rect 269 140 344 305 [[Claude Martin]]

rect 124 147 181 298 [[Antoine Polier|Antoine-Louis Polier]]

desc none

</imagemap>

poly

A polygon. The coordinates of the vertices are given, followed by a link in square brackets.

rect

A rectangle. The parameters are the coordinates of the top-left and bottom-right corners, followed by a title to link to in square brackets.

circle

A circle. The first two parameters are the coordinates of the center, the third is the radius. The coordinates are followed by a link in square brackets.

default

This gives the default link, where no other regions are specified.

All coordinates are specified relative to the source image. The image can be scaled using thumbnail syntax, in which case the image map coordinates will be automatically scaled as well.

All links are given in either the form [[Page title]] or [[Page title|description]]. In the latter case, the part after the pipe "|" becomes the title attribute of the link—in most browsers, it will pop up as a tooltip when the user hovers over it; the part after the pipe also becomes the alt text for the link. If no explicit link description is given, the page title is used.

Areas which overlap give precedence to the first link listed.

Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 13:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thankss!!!! :D Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:27, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I can't see the right side. I can't even use the right arrow key.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Most browsers have a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom when the page is wide. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

And normally that works. But in this situation it's not happening.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Which browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Can someone explain to me how I know which numbers I have to use?? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

If you can't read the #Syntax description section above (for which you'll probably need to click the [show] alongside the heading "C&P "transclusion" of Extension:ImageMap's instructions for use."), among the most relevant parts about the numbers are the following:

• "

poly

A polygon. The coordinates of the vertices are given, followed by a link in square brackets.

rect

A rectangle. The parameters are the coordinates of the top-left and bottom-right corners, followed by a title to link to in square brackets.

circle

A circle. The first two parameters are the coordinates of the center, the third is the radius. The coordinates are followed by a link in square brackets. "

• "They should be specified as distance from left edge (horizontal pixel count), distance from top (vertical pixel count)."

- David Biddulph (talk) 12:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Are their discussions regarding the use of British vs English/Scottish/Welsh?

I've been looking up some British actors recently and was wondering if their was a consensus on what to use, especially since people can be equally adamant about being British as they are about any of the other nations.

And while I'm at it we rarely use the British-Indian or British-African (especially! we would say the country) and I've seen that used in a few places. I'm sure this has been discussed before and I'd love to read the debate.

86.7.193.184 (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. There's no real consensus as far as I am aware. The essay Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom covers some of this (as an essay it has no real weight of policy behind it; it's just a slightly-formal opinion piece). British is technically correct (the best kind of correct) so I use that when I'm editing. The UK/Britain is the nation state while England, Wales, Scotland and so forth are nations but not states. So, unless describing a historical actor, I would go with the strict "British" for all of them (it is what it would say in their passport after all). Other editors are likely to have different opinions. If this happens, just try to be consistent within the article, which is the approach used with different spelling and dating formats.

Ethnicities are a problem as different people use words differently. For example, "Asian" means something different in the UK and the US. That said, as long as the term is wikilinked to an article that explains the phrase (ie. Asian) it should be OK. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much!

86.7.193.184 (talk) 10:27, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I would be very cautious about describing people as British as opposed to Scottish or Welsh, ideally one should go with their self declared nationality. However most English people are unbothered as to the difference between English and British. Of course things are different for historic people, before the Act of Union England and Scotland were separate states. ϢereSpielChequers 05:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

There's almost no debate about English language variations in the West coast of Europe. There's a huge amount of swapping between US and GB, but within the broad "british isles" there's very little. There's more traffic between English / Ulster Scots / Gaelic in the NI articles.

As Indian editors are a large group on en:WP, there is a lot of editing that introduces Indian grammar (rather than spelling) rather than British (or US). I revert this on non-Indian article – this is possibly a problem in the future, as en_IN obviously has a large readership, but en:WP isn't ready for it yet.

There's also Wikipedai, the Cwmyraeg Wikipedia. That could use a lot of assistance from siaradwyr Cwmyraeg, if anyone reading has the language skills to offer. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Andy Dingley: I think you are answering a different question. 86.7's question was about use of the words British, English, Scottish, Welsh in describing people, not about varieties of English. --ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

for official responses send certified letter to wikimedia

I emailed wikimedia and explained my acting credits were attributed to another actress who shares my name and happens to have died before some of the productions or movie attributed to her were performed or filmed.. I want my own biography and my credits deleted from the dead actress's article and listed in mine. I have been awarded the Los Angeles Drama Critics circle award and was a Ny Drama Desk Award Nominee.and have appeared in many Original Broadway musicals and played one ol the mothers, Lucy in the movie Weird Science..I was notified in a Wikimedia email that - needed to send a certified letter to Wikimedia Org. Because th person who read my email was a volunteer and any reply wasnt necessarily OFFICIAL. THAT A LETTER THRU THE USPO CERTIFIED WAS THE WAY TOGO. Ironic..Anyway is there something important I should put in the letter..likecopies of contracts or play bills or should I just wait to hear what you need to create a bio.page for me .