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For readers from the continent at least, it is strange that there is no mention of Churchill's role in giving an impulse to post-war European integration, notably his Metz and Zurich speeches in 1946, his role at the Hague Congress of the European Movement in 1948 and his speeches in Strasbourg at the Council of Europe (with a change in his position regarding Britain's involvement). May I suggest the following?
"While in opposition, Churchill helped launch the idea of European integration. In a speech in Zurich in 1946, he declared that "We must build a kind of United States of Europe" and that "the first practical step would be to form a Council of Europe". Initially, he envisaged this taking place without Britain which, with America and the Commonwealth, would simply be "the friends and sponsors of the new Europe". But he later took the view that the creation of a united Europe would include Britain. He lent his considerable personal prestige to the Hague Congress of the European Movement in 1948, where he called for the then 16 democratic European countries, "including Great Britain, linked with her Empire and Commonwealth", to start building Europe. In 1949, he spoke at the new Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe saying "we are engaged in the process of creating a European unit in the world" and in 1950, he used the same platform to call for "the immediate creation of a unified European army, subject to proper European democratic control and acting in full cooperation with the USA and Canada" - the UK of course part of it. His role in this is commemorated by the naming of one of the European Parliament's buildings in Strasbourg after him."
I'm not familiar with your procedures, but if need be I can be reached on richard.corbett@european-council.europa.eu
- it would be better if you found references to his speeches. 66.185.212.81 (talk) 15:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
91.194.202.200 (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
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A History of the English-Speaking Peoples; a four-volume history covering the period from Caesar's invasions of Britain (55 BC) to the beginning of the First World War (1914).[1]
132.250.22.5 (talk) 03:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
A History of the English-Speaking Peoples; a four-volume history covering the period from Caesar's invasions of Britain (55 BC) to the death of Queen Victoria (1901).[2]
Not done: Please express the change you want to make in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Areas of concern
Would someone look at content in the 4th and 5th paragraph of the Churchill as artist, historian, and writer section? In question is wording in the following paragraph: "From his first book in 1898 until his second stint as Prime Minister, Churchill's income was almost entirely made from writing books...". The beginning of the next paragraph: "Churchill was also a prolific writer of books..." It seems to me that someone that almost entirely makes his living writing books would most likely be considered a prolific (Producing many works) writer. He was a writer (author) of books but 'also' a prolific writer of books! I do not think simply removing the word "also" (which certainly is not necessary) would be an appropriate correction. Content concerning his "writings" are also covered in the Military service section, "His writings brought him to the attention of the public, and earned him significant additional income. He acted as a war correspondent for several London newspapers[34] and wrote his own books about the campaigns.
- Suggestion:
- From being a war correspondent in 1895, and first book in 1898, until his second stint as Prime Minister, Churchill's income was almost entirely made from writing books and opinion pieces for newspapers and magazines. The most famous of his newspaper articles are those that appeared in the Evening Standard from 1936, warning of the rise of Hitler and the danger of the policy of appeasement. Churchill wrote a novel, two biographies, three volumes of memoirs, and several histories, in addition to his many newspaper articles. Otr500 (talk) 02:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
- Otr500: did he not derive an income from his activities as MP? 66.185.212.81 (talk) 15:43, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
historical inaccuracies of this article
the vote of credit to begin the war with germany occurred on 1 september, not on 3 september.
the lords were NOT silent on the appointment of Churchill as PM, as can be seen in the Hansard 13 may 1940.
it does no one any good to continue to report such inaccuracies, even if supported by common (and that term is used advisedly) history books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.185.212.81 (talk) 15:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
- Would it not have been a good idea to provide a source so "inaccuracies" could be reviewed? Otr500 (talk) 17:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
- thanks for your reply, Otr500. Please see List of MPs elected in the United Kingdom general election, 1935 , 'history' section (at the bottom) for references to hansard. 69.60.245.100 (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- It would have been easier to provide the reference here as you only added it a few days ago, I cant see anything about starting a war in the ref you point out, it clearly says and the efficient prosecution of any war in which His Majesty may be engaged and for maintaining supplies and services essential to the life of the community and as far as I know "may be engaged" is not the start of the war. I will change the other article as it is misleading. MilborneOne (talk) 20:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- I think that was the enactment of additional emergency powers, the act of which had been passed on 24th August. Emergency Powers (Defence) Act 1939 Financial and resource measures. Irondome (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- I stand corrected. Thanks for the eagle eye, MilborneOne, with which you removed the defect in my understanding. It was indeed at nine am, 3 sept 1939 that the deadline to cease fire went unobserved by Germany. I have changed the other page to reflect this situation, and thank all contributors for their patience and assistance.
- I think that was the enactment of additional emergency powers, the act of which had been passed on 24th August. Emergency Powers (Defence) Act 1939 Financial and resource measures. Irondome (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- It would have been easier to provide the reference here as you only added it a few days ago, I cant see anything about starting a war in the ref you point out, it clearly says and the efficient prosecution of any war in which His Majesty may be engaged and for maintaining supplies and services essential to the life of the community and as far as I know "may be engaged" is not the start of the war. I will change the other article as it is misleading. MilborneOne (talk) 20:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- As for the other point about 'the silence of the lords', I believe that the historical record shows that the lords were indeed loquacious on 13 may,[3] and what is more, UNANIMOUSLY supported the new government (search for "nemine contradicente"). The passage is false that reads
Churchill probably could not have won a majority in any of the political parties in the House of Commons, and the House of Lords was completely silent when it learned of his appointment.
- and this reader proposes that some senior wikipedian should correct the unfortunate inaccuracy on the Winston Churchill page.69.60.245.100 (talk) 06:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Alcoholic
Why does the article not refer to Churchill's notorious alcoholism at all?
- ^ Jenkins, pp. 819–23 and pp. 525–26
- ^ Jenkins, pp. 819–23 and pp. 525–26
- ^ Hansard 13 May 1940
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