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September 24

ISKCON temple

what is the exact number of Iskcon temples across the world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.140.82.133 (talk) 06:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

You can see a supposedly complete list at http://directory.krishna.com/temples. Rojomoke (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

September 25

Can I take help from Wikipedia article in writing a book?

I am writing a book on physics these days. I found some Wikipedia articles and images very useful for my book. So, my question is - Can I take help from those articles and use those images in my book? Thank you for your advice! Concepts of Physics (talk) 08:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia. --Viennese Waltz 08:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

If you want to use images, make sure to double-check their summaries for a proper source, author and free licensing information. Volunteers try to clean up incorrect uploads, but it's an uphill battle and you will likely stumble over a few unusable ones (license-wise). GermanJoe (talk) 09:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Especially the stupid, annoying GNU licenses.217.158.236.14 (talk) 16:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Mount Temple Comprehensive School

I am making some changes to the article, including the infobox. It says that the colours of the school are Blue and Black. Can anybody find out what tone of blue and the Hex number? This is the official website www.mounttemple.ie Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

This is the sort of question that should have been posted on the article's talk page. --Viennese Waltz 14:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Thanks. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:57, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The color they use on their website is 0x1214fe - but that's a really strange "school color" because something that saturated and near-primary would be hard to reproduce in non-electronic form - and it's really hard on the eyes!

Significantly, that shade of blue is nowhere even close to any Pantone colors - which would mean that finding things like cloth or paint or colored pencils or markers in that color would be next to impossible. Nobody in their right mind who knows anything about choosing color for logos and such would come up with that choice. Rule #1 - pick a Pantone color!

In any case, I doubt that's their actual school color - this is most likely just a result of poor website design (VERY poor...those school website designers need to see: http://xkcd.com/1264/ !!).

Conclusion is that unless you can track down whoever it was who chose the color in the first place - you're not going to find it...and probably the person who did it just said "Blue and Black" without being too specific about the actual color choice and any more harmonious combination will work for any practical purpose. SteveBaker (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Immigration-Fiancee visa in USA

Hello = My girlfriend (now wife) and I have known each other since Oct. 6, 2006. She is Filipino and had lived there since birth (July 1, 1981). She came here via a fiancee visa on August 29, 2012. We were not married until April 20, 2013. The fiancee visa states you should be married within 90 days of arrival in the USA. Since meeeting her in Oct. 2006 I visited her and her family four times. We were guided by a attorney who told us we could go outside the 90 day period and be all right. She has a social security card (USA), health insurance, bank account, credit card and works in the USA. Now we received a letter from the U.S. Immigration agency saying our request for her to continue to stay was not accepted. Our attorney had filed an I-485 form to allow or change her legal status in the USA but again it was not granted. We will appeal that decision via a "hardship" reason but I fear that maybe we will not be granted a change in her legal status and to allow her to stay which I want and she wants. I need guidance and help to know what options we have and the chance for succees or if not success initially how long before a change would be granted by U.S. immigration.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.196.221.45 (talk) 15:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but we are unable to give legal advice. Looie496 (talk) 16:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

You'll need to talk to an attorney who specializes in immigration matters. Your embassy or consulate might have some names to recommend. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Interview

How does a journalist or the newspaper she works for, obtain an interview with a celebrity, let's say, the players of a famous football team? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

She calls their press agent/press office whose number will be listed in the phone directory, since that is their purpose. With actors you may have to do a little more work, but they have directories for that sort of thing as well, as well as Variety Magazine. μηδείς (talk) 19:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

For actors, you can also contact the Screen Actors Guild who will also have a contact for currently dues paying members. μηδείς (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

So, she calls their press agent and what does she have to say? I want to interview Andrea Pirlo. Where should I go?. And for actors, what else does she have to do? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

If a celebrity is visiting a certain town, their press team will issue a press release to all the local print media to inform them of this fact, and also how to get an interview with this person. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

In this case, the newspaper the girls works for entrusts her to go to Turin to interview Andrea Pirlo, so she is the one who travels. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Setting up interviews is the press agent's job, (see Tammy's comment) so he's not going to give you a hard time. He'll want to know your credentials, who you work for, what you plan to discuss, and when and where it will be published. If the interview has something to do with a book or album or film release he might send you a press kit with a copy of the work and informational material. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Only that? If you send the information you obtain an interview? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

That's all you need to send...but it doesn't guarantee you an interview! The person might be too busy - or it might be that you picked a sensitive topic - or they might not want to appear in the publication that you represent. Some people just don't like being interviewed. There are many things that can go wrong. But if you are effectively providing them with positive publicity that they need, in a place that people in their desired demographic read - then the odds are reasonable that you'll get an interview - especially if you can be flexible about time, place and duration. SteveBaker (talk) 20:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The press agent is going to want to make sure you are not wasting their time or that you wish to embarrass them. So long as you either have a reputation for yourself, or work for a reputable outfit, the agent will be happy to accommodate you if possible. I had a boyfriend who, as a teenager, hung out at a college radio station. He started requesting press kits simply as a means of getting free music CD's. Eventually he ended up being given short weekly spots to interview band members for five-minute spots. He basically fell into it by accident, and the fact that having kits mailed to him at the radio station made him look like a legitimate radio personality. μηδείς (talk) 20:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Great. So, reputation is all I need? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, either your own, or that of the outfit you work for. μηδείς (talk) 20:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

September 26

AASHTO approved the I-110 renumbering from State Route 11

I know the renumbering of 7/710 and 11/110 were done separately (4 or 5 years apart). According to what I have learned In 1978 Federal Highway Administrations approved the I-110 as a chargeable interstate, but when did AASHTO approved the I-110 renumbering. 1979? Early 1980? Because what I have learned is 1981 is when I-110 replaced the SR 11 designation. I think is more important to focus on when did AASHTO approved the numbering systems, because answering when did the numbers changed really is quite pointless to indicate. From I-710, it follows; I-710 was approved by FHWA in September 1983 and approved by AASHTO in May 30, 1984. SVResource website indicated in 1991, there have been some of SR 7 signs in Downtown LB still existing. I am not sure about AASHTO approved the I-110 is it 1979, 1980? I-110 renumbering is definitely before I-710 renumbering about 4 or 5 years difference.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 04:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

JasBrow (talk) 07:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I use Scott "Kurumi" Oglesby for all of my 3 digit Interstate history. His website Kurumi.com is fairly well researched and he's got references to all of his sources (which he's been doing since the 1990s, long before Wikipedia made it fashionable to do so). His I-110 page here states that the upgrade to an Interstate was approved in 1978, and that the signage went up in 1984. His I-710 page here states that the number change was approved in September, 1983 (as an interstate) and May, 1984 (as I-710 specifically) and the signage went up in October 1984. Other internet Interstate historians have more information as well. For example Dan Faigin here notes the specific acts which resulted in the renumbering of 110. AARoads: here has some more information as well. The year 1981 as the actual year the specific number for 110 was chosen, so from these sources we have the following timeline: for the 110: Approved as an Interstate 1978, number assigned 1981, signs changed 1984. For 710: approved as an Interstate Sept. 1983, number assigned May 1984, signage went up October 1984. Given the proximity in time when the signs were actually posted, and the close geographic proximity, the signage changes were likely part of the same project. --Jayron32 14:39, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

So for I-880 and I-980 is the same rule: I-880: FWHA approved: 1983, number chosen: 1984, signs changed: 1986. I-980: FHWA approved: 1976:, number chosen: 1981, signs changed: 1986 When Jaayron mentioned sign changing, does than mean it will have to take more than one year to upgrade the entire sign exist at their highway. Do Megalopolis have to do sign changing at the same time is because it is easier for commuters, why don't they do it at the different time. Because I like different time sign changing rather than same time.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 00:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

There's no official nationwide policy on how and when signs change. When the authority in charge of doing so gets the money and resources together, they make new signs then they hire a crew to go out and change them. It's just like that. --Jayron32 00:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, [1] Floodgap roadgap said in 1981 CA 11 became Interstate 110, so the sign changings have to happen at the end of 1981, maybe November 1981, budgets may be limited to replace all the signs so at that time sign changes may not be able to produce all of it, from interstate-guide it said that California 11 was signed on the Harbor Freeway until 1981, when it became Interstate 110 and California 110. Interstate 710 was not created until 1984, so there was a three-year gap between the creation of the two Interstate routes.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Pubs in Hunslet, Leeds 1840 - 1930

I am currently researching my family history and discovered that my great great grandfather Joseph Tomlinson (1846-1919) was landlord of the Prince of Wales Pub located at 17 Marsh Lane, Hunslet between c1890 and 1894 before becoming the landlord of The Spotted Dog Inn, 58 Church Street, Hunslet in 1894 until his death in January 1919. The Spotted Dog was also used for Coroners Inquests during the period Joseph was there as landlord. I am looking for any information on these two pubs including any photographs from this period. I have located a picture of the Spotted Dog which was taken in the 1970's when the pub was in a derelict state awaiting demolition. However, this is not the original Spotted Dog as the photograph shows a date of 1928 in the eaves indicating that the pub was rebuilt in 1928. I have searched the internet for information on these two pubs but have been unable to locate any information whatsoever apart from this photograph and a newspaper article in the Yorkshire Evening Post dated May 29, 1903 concerning an attempted suicide of a servant girl who was living at the Spotted Dog. Any information about these two pubs during the time Joseph was there would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JasBrow (talk • contribs) 07:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I think your first port of call should be the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses which will tell you who was with your relative in those pubs. Ancestry is a good site for family history research of this nature. You may also find local history groups on the internet who can help with this. Your local archives service should also hold material relating to this pub. Finally, the National Archives may be able to help locate using the Access to Archives facility. I'll come back to you with some links. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC) I've asked a friend who is researching pubs in Barnsley whether she knows of any sites, and I'll report back what she says. I note you've posted elsewhere on the internet too. Are you aware of the Historical Directories site? --TammyMoet (talk) 12:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd also recommend contacting the Local Branch of CAMRA covering the area (via CAMRA's national website). It's quite likely that one or more of its members will have access to (or will even have written) books or other historical materials about pubs in the area and era – this is a common interest amongst we Xythophilists! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Zythophilists eh? Great drinkers but can't spell. ;-) Richard Avery (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Not quite what you are looking for, but I found; "Pickard, Anty. painter & victualler Spotted Dog, Chapel St, Hunslet" in History, gazetteer, and directory, of the West-Riding of Yorkshire by William White, 1837 (p.591). So the place had a bit of age to it. Alansplodge (talk) 19:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

This contact may have more information, or be able to put you in touch with other sources - have you contacted him? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It's also possible that this guy may have information or sources he can share with you. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

"Have a Nice Day" writing format

Hi there, on the "Have a Nice Day" article I've included a Critical response section and one of them criticises the song's signature line: "Ba, ba da, ba, ba, ba da, da". I'm wondering how on earth I would write the ba ba da's :S

There is an audio sample of the ba ba da's so you understand what I'm talking about haha, thanks :) Ultra Violet Light 16:33, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not a matter of what you think. The reference you quoted to back up this claim actually said "The "ba-ba-ba's" in the background push the song from merely grating to room-fleeingly bad." - so "ba-ba-ba" it is! SteveBaker (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Crumbs! So it did, thanks :D Ultra Violet Light 19:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It would be more interesting to find out how such a supposedly horrible song reached number 5 on the charts. Possibly the critic's viewpoint is not mainstream. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:18, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure the charts are a reliable definer of 'good' songs. Stop the Cavalry by Jona Lewie and Ernie (The Fastest Milkman in the West) by Benny Hill come immediately to mind. Richard Avery (talk) 08:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The charts define what's popular. I can think of any number of old Top 40 hits that I found to be wretched, but that doesn't stop the Casey Kasems of the world from playing them. I just question why an article about a song requires one particular negative reviewer's opinion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Good versus popular. Hmmm - that's a debate you'll have a hard time ending if it ever gets started. Fortunately, a Wikipedia article only has to care about what reviews are notable and authoritative - if this one is, then we should write about it - if it's not, then dump it. SteveBaker (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Precisely the point. Opinions of random "notables" often get slipped into articles by editors who just happen to agree with the reviewer: Source-based POV-pushing. If I could find a reviewer who said "I Will Always Love You" is a thoroughly obnoxious, totally irritating song, I couldn't say that in the article myself, but I might be able to find someone "notable" who said it, and that would work. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The song is from the album which started a critical backlash for Stereophonics (mainly because of the lead single "Mr. Writer"), although neither of them state about said backlash. I'm working on gathering sources for the album and "Mr. Writer" to include this :) Ultra Violet Light 19:46, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

It's all to do with the Massive Global Worldwide Transference Syndrome Paradigm Effect. It works like this: When someone likes something, that somehow makes it "good". When they like it a lot, that makes it "great". When they like it even more, that makes it "awesome". At the other end of the scale, when someone dislikes something, that somehow makes it "shit". Et cetera. All complete rubbish, of course. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it depends on the critic. Didn't Mark Twain say about Wagner, "His music is better than it sounds"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It's usually attributed to Mark Twain because it appeared in his autobiography, but he was apparently quoting Edgar Wilson "Bill" Nye [2], [3]. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:01, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

References and format help for the Scott Community College page

Hello everyone! I am really trying to revamp and make some needed changes to a page about the school I am attending.

I have made a few small changes, additions really, but the page lacks citations all-around. I know much of the information is fairly correct, but I know some of the information is outdated, and none of it has any citations.

The items I added (school Presidents, Chancellors, etc.) has reliable sources attached, but I really would like to see if someone can help me with a better wikitable format for the information I added. Or, maybe not even a wikitable, maybe something else works better for the information I have provided to the page.

Here is the page as it stands. I hope someone can help!

Scott_Community_College

--ErikVKing (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I found the source for the missing citations, but it seems to have been copied verbatim into the article: http://www.eicc.edu/business/support/foundations/scott/getin2/history.html

Iow state .gov websites might have official data, for example. For things like online courses offered, I assume that a primary source (the college own website) would be allowed but I'm not sure. Online local newssites might have useful reports (about the campus expansion for example). :Maybe check similar wikipedia articles to see which layout/tables etc. works best. Ssscienccce (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

September 27

Wheelchair

Hi all,

I've just checked the article about wheelchairs and I've noticed it's only about the wheelchairs for humans. Is there anyone who would like to write information about wheelchairs for animals and pets? After googling "animal wheelchair", we can find many pictures of wheelchairs for dogs, cats and even rabbits, guinea pigs or sheep. Thanks! 92.97.101.170 (talk) 09:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

"Wheelchair" doesn't seem like quite the right name, to me. After all, the version for pets lacks a chair. Perhaps we should ask what this is properly called, over at the Language Desk, and add an article under that name. StuRat (talk) 09:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. They do seem to be called dog wheelchairs and dog-carts (which is also ambiguous) in the trade, e.g. here and here, so I guess the appropriate article would be called animal wheelchairs or some such.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:05, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Those sound like rather informal names. Is there a more formal name used by the industry ? StuRat (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I've dealt a bit with disabled dogs and have visited Eddie's Wheels. The most common term is simply 'cart'. Dismas|^(talk) 14:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Walkin' Wheels claims to produce 'dog wheelchairs', so maybe this should be the name of a potential article. 'Cart' is kind of too general. OsmanRF34 (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

September 28

What's this man doing?

What is this man shucking? Dismas|^(talk) 05:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

A coconut. HiLo48 (talk) 06:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Dismas|^(talk) 10:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Lifesaving medal

Hello all, I'm an action-adventure/disaster novelist, and in my first novel there's the following scenario (WARNING: SPOILER ALERT!!!): An American husband-and-wife rescue team (the husband is a field surgeon in the US Army, whereas the wife is a pilot in the US Civil Air Patrol) is dispatched to save the life of a bear-mauling victim on an island in Hudson Bay, the surgeon having to parachute to the island because there's no place to land the plane (they are forced to use a light twin because of the extreme distance to the island, and because of the urgency of the mission). Unfortunately, the wind shifts while the surgeon is in midair, and he lands in the water, where he promptly gets tangled in his own parachute; but the pilot, seeing this, makes a low-level pass over him (at an altitude of 100 feet and an airspeed just above stall) and drops him a life preserver, saving him from drowning (and barely avoiding a radio tower on the island during the pull-out). My question is: Does this make her eligible for the Lifesaving Medal, and if so, is she eligible for the gold or the silver medal? Thanks in advance! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 22:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

The article says you need to make "extraordinary effort" to earn the awards. That is, of course, purely at the descretion of the Coast Guard Commandant who awards the medals, but from your description I don't think it qualifies. If the surgeon makes it to the island and saves the bear victim, he would be the more likely recipient unless he was on active duty at the time, in which case he would probably get an Army award instead (from my reading of the article anyway). RudolfRed (talk) 23:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

(sorry, ec. Adding anyways because has slightly more info) The Silver Lifesaving Medal is awarded by the commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard to any person who rescues or endeavors to rescue any other person from drowning, shipwreck or other perils of the water. If the rescue or attempted rescue evidences such extraordinary effort as to merit recognition, the medal shall be silver. [4]

The Gold Lifesaving Medal is awarded by the Commandant of the Coast Guard to any person who rescues, or endeavors to rescue, any other person from drowning, shipwreck, or other peril of the water. To merit the award of the Gold Lifesaving Medal, the rescue must be made at the risk to one’s own life and show extreme heroic daring. [5]

If still in doubt (for example whether a rescue in waters outside the US is eligible), you could always ask the coast guard directly. 184.147.120.88 (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, it looks like two contradictory opinions here. Let's see if I can apply the criteria...

• American victims and/or rescuers and/or rescue in American waters: The rescue takes place in foreign waters, but both the rescuer and the victim (who is himself a rescue worker) are Americans -- so no problems on that count;
• Rescue from drowning, shipwreck or other perils of the water: Hell yes!
• Extraordinary effort, risk to own life and/or extreme heroic daring: I'd say that slow flight at extremely low altitude is a pretty dangerous thing to do, especially if you're also flying toward an obstruction that you might not clear in time, and if you must leave the cockpit while doing this in order to throw the lifesaver (as is the case here). I definitely wouldn't call it "extreme heroic daring", but as far as whether it poses sufficient risk to the pilot's life and/or sufficiently extraordinary effort on her part to qualify her for the medal -- I don't know.

24.23.196.85 (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe I'm understanding your synopsis wrong, but you'll need to explain why Americans would intervene in a rescue on Canadian territory thousands of miles from the nearest U.S. base. Also, your rescuer will die from hypothermia before a life saver can do him any good... Then again, if Canadian rescuers had been called, they probably would have had the proper equipment on hand to effect the rescue, hence no story. --Xuxl (talk) 12:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The bear-mauling victim is an American citizen. And the Canadians cannot help because of severe weather conditions, because doing so would violate ALPA regulations. As far as hypothermia is concerned, this is not always the case. 24.23.196.85 (talk) 22:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

(ec) In addition to the problems noted before about this being Canadian territory there are a few more. The Beechcraft Queen Air is not noted as an aircraft people jump out of but it can be done. You would need to find out how easy the door, File:Kunikaze at GSI.JPG, would be to open on one that isn't set up for skydiving. It's not clear that the CAP have any Queen Air. It would be more logical to use a float equipped de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter that could fly the victim out. Oh, just remembered the Queen is a piston not a turbo and Avgas is not that easy to get in the remote places these days. There is also a good possibility that a Canadian Coast Guard ship may be in the area. Finally, given the time of year this is taking place, summer because of the open water, they will probably be quite a few ships belonging to Nunavut Eastern Arctic Shipping in the area as well. It's not a very likely scenario. Why not consider moving the action to somewhere else that the US would be operating in like the Alaskan part of the Beaufort Sea. If the weather conditions are that bad then the US aircraft is not going to be going any place either. If the Air Line Pilots Association, International would ground the Canadian pilots then it would ground the US pilots as well. What sort of weather conditions in the middle of summer were you thinking of? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Just realised that ALPA is a bargaining unit and would not necessarily have regulations that govern this. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:38, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, one point at a time:

• It's not clear that the CAP have any Queen Air. -- The a/c in question is actually owned by a private air-courier company and is on loan to the CAP for this mission -- so no problem there.
• It would be more logical to use a float equipped de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter that could fly the victim out. -- The Twin Otter doesn't have the range for this mission; besides, on this mission, neither floats nor skis would help, because it actually takes place during the spring breakup, so there's no "open water" as such, but lots of leads and polynias (one of which almost claims the hapless parachutist's life) -- which also means no ships near the island because of the ice floes.
• Oh, just remembered the Queen is a piston not a turbo and Avgas is not that easy to get in the remote places these days. -- I actually considered using a King Air for the mission, but rejected the idea because it has too much range -- a very important factor for creating suspense is the fact that the Queen Air has just enough range to get to the island, drop off the surgeon, and then land at a nearby airfield on the mainland. (Although Mackinac Lines, the air courier company, does have a few King Airs -- but at the time of the mission, all of them are busy elsewhere, and the nearest one had just taken off from Memphis with overnight mail). As far as avgas not being available in the boondocks: the Queen Air is staging directly out of Duluth and flying nonstop to the objective, so this is not a factor (in fact, this is an additional factor, besides the urgency of the mission, for my heroine deciding not to refuel at Fort Severn) -- and after arriving at the destination, the plane could wait for a while until enough fuel can be obtained to fly back out (this, of course, entails economic losses to the company, but it does not imperil the mission).
• There is also a good possibility that a Canadian Coast Guard ship may be in the area. Finally, given the time of year this is taking place, summer because of the open water, they will probably be quite a few ships belonging to Nunavut Eastern Arctic Shipping in the area as well. -- See above re. the mission taking place during the spring breakup.
• It's not a very likely scenario. -- The scenario was based in part on an actual rescue mission (although it took place in Russia, not Canada, and at a time when helicopters were not yet in common use -- hence the need for parachuting).
• Why not consider moving the action to somewhere else that the US would be operating in like the Alaskan part of the Beaufort Sea. -- Same reason why I denied my characters the use of a King Air -- because I'm a cruel, sadistic monster like all action/suspense writers, so I wanted them running on fumes! (Besides, I'm not aware of any islands in the Alaskan part of the Beaufort Sea -- are you?)
• If the Air Line Pilots Association, International would ground the Canadian pilots then it would ground the US pilots as well. -- Only if the US pilots were part of the trade union (which they're not, in this case). In general, trade unions have much more power over individual employees in Canada (and Europe) than they do in the USA -- so it may well be that the (union, closed-shop) Canadian pilots decide not to risk potential legal complications, whereas the (non-union) US pilots decide to go ahead regardless (what can the union do to them if they're not part of it, anyway???)
• What sort of weather conditions in the middle of summer were you thinking of? -- Prevailing weather conditions for the mission: Polar cyclone, moderate to heavy rain and snow, strong gusty winds, moderate icing; Coral Harbour (destination airfield) reports 20-knot crosswinds gusting 27, vis. 1 mile in rain, cloud ceiling 300 feet; Ivujivik (alternate airfield) is completely socked in, 30-knot crosswinds gusting 40, vis. <1/2 mile in blowing snow, cloud ceiling 200 feet. (How's THAT for a dicey landing, especially when running out of gas as well?)

24.23.196.85 (talk) 00:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

According to this there are several US based airlines that belong to ALPA. Also the list of airlines on that page is small and the only ones that operate, List of airlines of Nunavut, in Nunavut (such as Canadian North and First Air) don't operate the required aircraft. There are plenty of airlines here that could provide the service, such as from Iqaluit Airport. It's Transport Canada that make the regulations and not the ALPA in this case. The weather at Coral Harbour Airport means it is not available to the Queen Air, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Science/2009 August 1#Crosswind landing (finding that was weird). I actually meant the weather at the jump site. An aircraft from Deluth will require permission to enter Canadian airspace and probably be required to land at an airport of entry first. Don't know why I didn't think of it the other day but Canadian Forces Search and Rescue under the National Search and Rescue Program would actually be doing the rescue as they are trained for it. That includes jumping out of a Lockheed C-130 Hercules in the dark and landing on a small area. She will either need another person on the aircraft or an autopilot to hold the aircraft while the life preserver is thrown out. By the way in saying the scenario was unlikely I meant the the idea that the Canadian Government would allow foreign nationals to perform this attempted rescue. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 03:57, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

(For the record, 98.234 is me) Coral Harbour is an uncontrolled airport, and given no other alternatives besides a crash-landing in the tundra with empty fuel tanks, my pilot would definitely take her chances by landing at a socked-in airport, even with these kinds of crosswinds. As for the weather at the jump site, the winds are variable, 10 knots gusting 25, and the visibility is 5 miles in blowing snow. Iqaluit is socked in, being at the heart of the polar cyclone, with winds reaching 60 knots and whiteout conditions. The Queen Air in question is equipped with an autopilot, as well as full blind-flying instruments (even a radio altimeter for low-level IMC flying and Cat-2 ILS landings). And I don't want to offend your country, but in this day and age, our pilots have shown themselves to be more willing to take risks and bend the rules to save another's life than those of any other country (including Canada). So yes, it can very well happen that an American pilot would be willing to land at an airport which a Canadian pilot would consider "below minimums", if there's no other choice. As far as Canada denying the Americans the right to save one of their own (after turning the mission down themselves), or insisting on legalistic folderol like landing at an airport of entry when every minute might be at stake -- are you kidding? Such actions could easily cause a diplomatic incident if the victim dies or becomes permanently disabled because of the delay! (If they really act like such pompous assholes legalistic types as you seem to describe -- which I don't want to believe for a moment -- then maybe my assessment of their cowardly risk-averse behavior (in terms of turning down the rescue mission because of adverse weather) wouldn't be so far off the mark...) 24.23.196.85 (talk) 05:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that by the time she got to the island the C130 would already have arrived and dropped off the necessary people to save the wounded persons life. The rescue would have been performed before she could have got there and with a lot less danger to anybody. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

September 29

Feature Films Notable for WP articles?

Is it true that all feature films are notable inherently for Wikipedia standards? It seems like all TV shows are deemed notable, no matter how unsuccessful and obscure. I can't find any info on whether feature films are subject to GNG or if there are whether feature films are inherently notable. Thanks. Herzlicheboy (talk) 01:45, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

It depends on what you mean by a feature film. You can see the guidelines at WP:NF##Other_evidence_of_notability I haven't found anything that says TV series are presumed notable. Do you have a link to that?RudolfRed (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

AFAIK, they're not. There are some films listed in IMDb that I would never accept. On the other hand, the guidelines RudolfRed has linked to are pretty stringent and are often not followed. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• So long as one can show notability through discussion in multiple sources, obscure is fine. I doubt anyone living has seen Gagak Item, for instance. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I checked WP:NF and saw those guidelines are rather stringent. As far as "discussion in multiple sources," do film blogs or fan reviews count? I'm pretty sure that blogs and fan reviews don't count as sources for music, but they do for film? Herzlicheboy (talk) 17:43, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Heck no. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Even IMDB is only considered reliable for cast-and-crew, not for much anything else. Unless a blog was verifiably written by a notable film reviewer, it wouldn't be usable as a source. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• Pretty much per Bugs. Newspaper reviews, coverage of the production in a newspaper, academic discussion in books... these all show notability. Blogs... no. They don't. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks for the answers. Your help has been great. Can I switch gears on the topic here for a bit and ask this: It's my impression that TV shows are inherently notable, is that true? Why or why not? My impression is that any TV show, no matter how short lived, will have something written about it in reliable periodicals. Am I right? Herzlicheboy (talk) 01:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Anyone can make a "feature film," but many have low budgets and essentially no distribution, so they wouldn't qualify for articles. However, not just anyone can make a "TV show," since the very name implies that it is broadcast on TV. A "TV show" that isn't would be called something else, like a web series maybe. And being broadcast on TV in any major country already implies a pretty high level of exposure, attention, and reviews, even on a fairly obscure channel. The only sort of "TV show" I can imagine that might not qualify would be series broadcast on public access TV, university/local TV channels, or something similar, and there are certainly many, many of them that don't have and don't deserve Wikipedia articles. -Elmer Clark (talk) 06:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

It occurs to me that infomercials would also fall into this category. Wikipedia could have an article on the general topics of infomercials, local access TV, etc. But individual shows would only be notable if they gained some acceptably broad level of coverage by reviewers. For a regular network TV series, that level of coverage is pretty much guaranteed up front. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:53, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

For scientific topics, we require "peer review" - that someone else who understands this stuff looks over the "product" (the scientific theory) and decides whether it's any good.

In this case, we have much the same rule. For TV shows, someone at the TV network had to have looked it over and decided that it's worth broadcasting. For movies, that's only true if the movie goes through conventional distribution channels...for those that don't, their notability is much more difficult to determine. SteveBaker (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

A question about restaurants and Pepsi

In my country at least, I've noticed that restaurants with Pepsi products seem to be quite upfront with the fact that they have Pepsi. For example, they show the Pepsi logo on tarps (in addition to the Pepsi logo on the sodas in pictures) and paper placemats. Also, in my country at least, Pepsi seems to sponsor more events than Coca-Cola. While a number of restaurants with Coke products also follow these practices, from my experiences in going to restaurants, in general restaurants with Pepsi products tend to advertise their use of Pepsi a lot, while those with Coke do not give the same amount of publicity to their use of Coke. But why is this the case? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:37, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Confirmation bias, in the absence of any evidence that your observations are correct. You've just presented us with a perception of your local part of the world, which we may or may not live in. There's two problems with that. First, it's your perception, which means we have no idea if what your belief about the situation is is actually an objective representation of the situation or if it's just something you think you've observed, but you've reinforced because you believe it to be so (that's the confirmation bias thing). It's the simplest explanation for any question that begins "I've notice this thing about the world. Why is the world like that?" The first question shouldn't get farther than "I've noticed..." because from that point forward, we have nothing to answer. 100 people could come along and give off the cuff, made-up explanations for why your description of events could be true. But since we haven't even established that your perceptions of the world represent reality here, explanations of unconfirmed personal observations are equally as dubious. Secondly, and probably far less vital to answering your question than that, is that we don't live where you do, so we can't know what your little corner of the Earth is like vis-a-vis the marketing efforts of global soft-drink brands. But start with confirmation bias, and make that your reason for why anything you think is happening is happening, unless you can present us with some more concrete evidence of the phenomenon than "I've noticed..." --Jayron32 04:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to ask Narutolovehinata5 what 'Cola' they usually drink, Coca Cola or Pepsi (or 'other')? They don't have to say of course, but this may have a bearing on their perception. 220 of ^Borg 07:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• In many cases a restaurant -- especially a fast-food chain -- will make a deal with a drink distributor in which they get a reduced price in return for advertising the product in specified ways and for sticking exclusively to one supplier. It just means that Pepsi is more aggressive than Coke in pursuing that strategy. Looie496 (talk) 15:05, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
  • That would be my assumption likewise. It's also possible that, although Coke is number one overall, Pepsi might have made greater inroads in certain markets. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:17, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

searching for a french wikipedia page

I didn't see a french link in Gender equality, is there anyone help me to find out a corresponding article or a article whose subject is similar to Gender equality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.246.219.109 (talk) 14:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The article fr:Égalité des genre is a redirect to Social Equality - and it's a pretty crappy article that doesn't really address the issue and constantly uses "Man" to refer to humans. I could find some articles that are related, but they were either too general or too specific. The best article I could find was Inégalités homme-femme but that's about gender gap. Arguably the link should be to Égalité des genres and hope that the Social Equality article improves or the redirect changes... Effovex (talk) 15:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

It might be an unknown concept in the French culture. You can start the article on the French wikipedia and see how that goes. Herzlicheboy (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

But they produced one of the founding mothers of feminism! --TammyMoet (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Trying the UN term (égalité entre les sexes) as a search term, I also found Condition feminine and Droits des femmes. Taknaran (talk) 13:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Are Turks Arabic at all?

Do the Turkish people have a significant amount of Arabic heritage, biologically speaking? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 23:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure at least one of them does. Maybe two. But culturally speaking, no. Turks come from Central Asia, historically. See Turkic migration. However, I'm sure you can find one person who is a citizen of the modern nation of Turkey who has at least one ancestor who is Arabic. Probably two or more. --Jayron32 00:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

One province of Turkey, Hatay, used to belong to Syria and its population is largely of Arabic descent, although the language is not much spoken there anymore. In addition, the Ottoman Empire was multinational, and people from all of its far-flung corners moved to the capital Istanbul as a result, and a number of Arabs did as well. There are of course a lot of Arabic words incorporated in the Turkish language, particularly abstract words and religious terms. --Xuxl (talk) 10:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Articles on Archaeogenetics of the Near East and Genetic history of the Turkish people shed some light on this. They say that "several studies have concluded that the historical (pre-Islamic) and indigenous Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population". As in other parts of the world, it can be misleading to confuse genetic heritage with cultural heritage, such as language. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

September 30

Planning a Vacation

Im heading for a vacation in Miami Florida, Im looking for a restaurant. Delicious yet budget friendly. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.51.109 (talk) 07:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

[6] --Viennese Waltz 08:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

And a further 3,400 Miami restaurants at [7].--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

You might get more informed advice at the Wikivoyage Tourist Office. Rojomoke (talk) 11:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Aircraft tires and retreading

I saw this fact in this article and was a bit puzzled: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20130509/NEWS/130509939/manufacturers-work-on-perfecting-aircraft-tires

"It's always a sensitive subject when you discuss the causes of accidents, or the fact that retreaded aircraft tires do much better than original ones. Retreaded tires get 30 to 50 percent more landings than new ones"

How is it possible that a fixed up tire can perform better than the tire from the factory--on a regular basis? Seems counter-intuitive.

Heweidan (talk) 10:07, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps there is some selection bias here. A tire must, presumably, reach a certain age or number of landings before it needs to be retreaded. So poor quality tires fail before they reach the stage of being retreaded, and retreaded tires are, on average, better quality tires than the initial population. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree, that makes perfect sense.

Suppose that (hypothetically) a newly manufactured tire either does or doesn't have some kind of internal manufacturing defect that makes it blow out with a 1% chance on each landing (yikes!) - and that tires wear out and need to be retreaded after every 200 landings. New tires with the defect would generally blow out with the first 100 landings and almost certainly within the first 200. Blown out tires wind up completely shredded and can't be retreaded, so defective tires would almost always be detected and tossed into the trash before they wore out. That would mean that retreaded tires would have the "blow out" defect at a dramatically reduced probability. If blow-outs are the main cause of tire-related plane crashes (as opposed to, say, tread separation), they would be much safer than new ones.

I'm not sure that this is truly the case - but it seems plausible.

SteveBaker (talk) 14:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

This pilot agrees with the tested-in-service theory, and adds that retreading often requires more stringent quality control than making new tires. It also allows for a different, harder type of rubber to be used for the surface of the tire, whereas new tires are cast from single material, requiring compromise between surface vs. rest of tire. 88.112.41.6 (talk) 16:32, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The original source actually mentions the more stringent requirements issue. Nil Einne (talk) 04:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

When did the I-980 get renumbered from CA 24

I don't know if I ever trust [8] kurumi.com, I usually try to distrust Kurumi website. When did the I-980 signs went up? Is it 1985 or 1981. Our Interstate 980 said I-980 were signed in 1981. I am not sure when the Interstate 880 got signed. I know in July 1983 I-880 got accepted from FHWA, 1984 by AASHTO, but it said 1/1/1986 I-880 were completely signed. When did the I-880 signs go up in 1984 or 1986? kurumi's I-905 page said SR 905 signs went up in 1992, but our article and most websites say 1986. When a highway's numbers get redone, do crews immediately take off the old signs or they leave it dual signs for one or two more years just to let the motorist adapt to the sign change. Because the Thomas Guide 1983 edition, Harbor and Pasadena Freeway were already labelled I-110 and SR-110 (Thomas Guide copyright a year before, actually C were 1982), by the way somewhere they show a 1982 Los Angeles Copy Map, I have sharp enough eyes to get the details, actually in 1982 the Harbor Freeway and Pasadena Freeway were already labelled as I-110/SR-110, at these time only the Long Beach Freeway were still the SR 7, while the Harbor Freeway is already called the I-110.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I think you were informed last time. There can be some lag time between when the official act changing the name of the highway occurs, and when the signs change. Governments take time to act, and for various reasons, the time lag between the change of the number of the road by statute, and when people actually get around to changing the signs is impossible to predict. Signs need to get made, crews need to be hired to change them; that all takes money and time. How much money and how much time is impossible to predict. --Jayron32 02:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

October 1

Ubersexual

I've heard about this term but don't know quite well what does it mean? Men who are ugly but good persons? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:26, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Breathing masks for cold weather

I was surprised that they don't sell breathing masks in shops for winter gear. Searching the net, I only found a few items, but if you buy online you run the risk that it won't fit well, or that there are problems (e.g. that your glasses will fog over). So, where can you buy breathing masks that allow you to breath warm humid air when it's below -20 C outside? I need to be able to do hard exercise outside, below -20 C you risk damaging your airways and lungs. Count Iblis (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Cheap touch phone

I’ll be needing a cheap android phone, and looking at amazon it seems that they all are plastics and besides it’s almost impossible to find one model that also sell a metallic case or at least a rough hard case that fit it…

I’m thinking in getting this or something like it:

http://www.amazon.com/BLU-Unlocked-Quad-Core-Processor-4-5-inch/dp/B00DMI9N32/ref=sr_1_7?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1380564535&sr=1-7

Is there any metal carcass for it? Or maybe another model with similar specs but with more accessories like… a metallic carcass!?

It not have to be shiny nor aluminum nor anything fancy nor last forever, just some hard shell that could take a hit or two for a couple of months… and, if possible, decent: black, gray, or white…

Thanks

Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 17:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)