Talk:Little Green Footballs

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NPOV dispute

User 12.27.54.34 has made a number of changes to this page that are not in line with NPOV.

Some observers charge LGF with encouraging racism and Islamophobia, but this accusation is hotly disputed by rational americans and the site's very loyal defenders, who call themselves "Lizardoids" (SEE: Reptilian humanoid).

The reference to "rational Americans", has been removed but it keeps getting added back.

More recently, Johnson's "Lizardoids" have engaged in defending the truth

This sentence does not reflect NPOV, but keeps being restored.

The idiotarians refer to them as [flame wars]], pitting Little Green Footballs against Metafilter, The Daily Kos, Indymedia and others.

The epithet "idiotarians" is does not belong here. It has been removed, but keeps getting added back.

Some of the dissenters who engage in trolling are appropriately reffered to as "Trolls" (or Morlocks in LGF parlance) by LGF regulars.

The word "appropriately" has been removed, but it keeps getting added back. FrankenBorst 02:26, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The article has been reverted to a neutral form, and the user mentioned earlier has not attempted to reverse those changes, therefore I am removing the NPOV notice. Should the changes discussed above again occur, I will re-add the notice. FrankenBorst 00:01, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Save at Weblog whatever material here is genuinely encyclopedic. Wikipedia does not list private websites. Wetman 23:28, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Neutrality

Please don't use terms like al-Reuters, please read the Npov guidelines. rhyax 20:07, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I don't understand recent edits to this page. How much are we supposed to dumb this thing down?

RE: "NPOV" - the sentence using the LGF slang term "al-Reuters" mentions the "perceived" bias of -QUOTE- al-Reuters - UNQUOTE.

I assume we are writing for intelligent people who are capable of grokking context here - the above construction makes clear that "al-Reuters" is an LGF slang term and thus provides readers with insight into some of the langauge and POV-based disputes which surround the LGF site itself.

On a similar note, someone removed the term "politically correct." Why? the term PC (look up the wiki def) refers to people who critique language based on perceived inequity or implicit POV.

The LGF site is all about POV-based language and differing interpretations therof, a fact often discussed on and around the site.

It is certainly be possible to acknowledge that fact in a neutral way but not if the site entry keeps getting dumbed down,

Readers are certainly capable of understanding terms like "politically correct" "groupthink" "bias" "slang" "midset" etc - hey, they can even follow the Wikipedia links.

Regarding the al-Reuters topic as that was the one I changed, it read, "Fans value the website as an Alternative Media resource which provides a useful counter-balance to the perceived Anti-Zionist bias of mainstream media sources like "al-Reuters."". While I agree it is not too difficult to tell that the original writer was aware that he was quoting a term used on LGF that quote is not attributed to anyone in particular, but is instead used in a phrase that is non-neutral to Reuters. If a sentence was added that said "People of the LGF community often use pejorative terms for major media, such as al-Reuters, or had a section about common LGF slang that would be neutral. Using the slang in a sentence about another topic in the way that the community you're talking about uses it is not neutral.

OK, that makes sense. I have re-edited the entry in a way that hopefully makes this distiction clear.

Regarding the politically correct change, which I did not make so am only theorizing. The term is defined by Webster as, "conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated". It is plausible that people who do not share this belief would find statements on LGF to be hate speech. Eliminating speech implies censorship. It is entirely conceivable that people find LGF to sometimes include hate speech while at the same time not advocating censorship of that speech.

- rhyax 18:11, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Makes sense, that should probably be edited out then.

Thanks for explaining.

Yeah, that about sums it up, as well as that "politically correct" is pretty much a universal pejorative, and that there was no reason for that particular sentence to reflect the subject's POV. Recent edits look good, though.