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Dentistry urgent care

I was trying to find info about dentistry urgent care but the article urgent care does not mention the topic. I wanted to ask on Talk: urgent care about it, but seems that page is hardly used. Where can I locate info on wikipedia about this important topic? Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]


See "Dental emergency".—Wavelength (talk) 19:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If only there was a way to tag these sort of threads for archiving, I don't think we can reduce the archive time any further without being unfair to our weekend users, nor can we try and use different talk pages (which will die very quickly) but this page is getting very cluttered and unwieldy. LT90001 (talk) 01:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You can collapse top and bottom. Have added a redirect. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LT90001 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted it. Collapsed sections are bad for editors with disabilities, as well as for anyone trying to find something by searching the page (with ⌘ Command+F, for example)—and since collapsed sections persist in archiving, that essentially hides the material from all searchers permanently. If you want to tag an item as being resolved, try the {{resolved}} template. If you want to archive completed discussions, then just archive them manually. It only requires cutting and pasting the text. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It appears the archive bot is down (Wikipedia:Bot_owners'_noticeboard#MiszaBots_down), so I have manually archived threads > 5 days old. LT910001 (talk) 00:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Molecular Diagnostics Good Article nomination

Hi,

With help, I've brought Molecular diagnostics up to (I think) Wikipedia:GA level. So I've nominated it.

I've got a PhD in Bioinformatics, so I'm confident of the molecular biology side of the article. But if anyone with specialist knowledge would take a look at it from the medical testing side, just to check I haven't missed out anything important, that'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ian McDonald (talk) 22:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have no experience judging GAC, but like the article so far. Since GA is in part about comprehensiveness, here are some suggestions for expansion. In the Development from Research Tools section, I think it is important to note that lab and lab personnel also need to be accredited in addition to just the tools--a solid LIMS, good sample tracking protocol, HIPAA compliance, etc. On the medical side, it isn't mentioned in the article, but should be, that molecular diagnostics play a central role in the burgeoning field of personalized medicine. Molecular diagnostics were the subject of a recent Supreme Court case involving Myriad Genetics and the BRCA1 tests with implications for both companies and basic research. There is also controversy about molecular diagnostics done within vs outside the clinical setting, e.g., geneticists' reactions to companies like 23andMe performing SNP assays for sort-of-diagnostic and entertainment purposes. --Mark viking (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've mentioned staff & system personnel, and biological patents, though agree more could be said on that.
I've mentioned it's used by personalized medicine; I do not think there's a need to go beyond that.
If it's outside the clinical settings, I would not assume that it's included as diagnostics; is there a reason why I'm wrong?
Ian McDonald (talk) 22:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I was doing the GA review, the first thing I would want to know is, who invented the term "molecular diagnostics", and what contexts has it been used in, in the literature? Looie496 (talk) 02:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's great to have such active contributors, and thanks for your attention to the article, Drianmcdonald. I agree with the above comments and suggest that you add some of these sections before the GA progresses. One or two paragraphs (eg definition of cancer, molecular diagnostic stages) are not cited, and page numbers are not provided for the citations in the book (you can use {{rp|page number}} to produce an inline page number (like this : page ). Also for lay readers it may be a good idea to expand some of the paragraphs to help lay readers understand some of the issues in the article, such as SNPs and karyotyping, and how molecular diagnostics can help you karyotype something. Does molecular biology include FISH, PCR, ELISA, and the plethora of other acronym-based testing modalities used? If so, these should definitely be included. Lastly, it is convention here for all words in titles to be in lowercase except the first. I trust you are now replete with well-meaning advice! Cheers, LT910001 (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering if I should skip GA and nominate Amphetamine for FA.

Hi everyone, over the past few months, and especially this past month, I made countless (or apparently ~200+) edits to the amphetamine article, such as removing numerous primary sources and replacing them with reviews and fleshing out several sections. Consequently, I was wondering if someone familiar with the FA review process would be willing to take a look at that article and tell me if it seems ready for an FA review or if it's worthwhile to going through the GA process first. I'm at a point where I really can't think of additional ways to make substantive content improvements.
Thanks, Seppi333 (talk) 02:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend going to GA first. The value of a GA review depends on whether you have the luck of getting a good reviewer, but in the best cases a GA review is more useful -- in the sense of improving an article -- than an FA review, which can easily turn into a circus. Looie496 (talk) 02:41, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely go for GA first... even if it looks great, you'll probably have a hard time getting serious attention at FAC unless it already has that green plus on it, they pretty much expect to see it at GA before FAC. Zad68 04:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Adding: Right off the top, I see the article is missing Society and culture and also History sections that honestly I would expect to be there to pass GA, much less FAC. I see you split those off to History and culture of amphetamines... you can't just split it off without having at least a paragraph or three in the main article summarizing the sub-article, per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Zad68 04:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I was aware of that policy, but I was wondering what the general interpretation of it was before I went about including a summary section like that. In any event, I'll have a cited section of that on the page in about 30 minutes, as I'm not surprisingly very familiar with that material. Any other suggestions besides that? Seppi333 (talk) 04:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Seppi, if you can wait a few days until I've returned from vacation, I'd be happy to do a GA review for you. I've worked on psilocybin and have FA experience, and should be able to help give the article a shove in that direction. Sasata (talk) 05:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing - thanks for offering to do it. Seppi333 (talk) 05:59, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
GA first would be best. Blue Rasberry (talk) 03:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone be interested in collecting and editing topics relevant in resourceless/developing settings?

Just trying to look through clinical topics that may be relevant in a developing setting (specific to Southern Africa in my case) and edit those pages. Has anyone else already started this kind of process? Would anyone be interested in helping?Pek1987 (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is a whole armada of articles that can be found in Category:Health_in_South_Africa. If you have anything specific you would like to work on, leave a message on my talk page and I'd be happy to help out. LT910001 (talk) 13:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is, alas, a bit of a difference between "South Africa" and "Southern Africa". I'm interested in this from a development perspective - if you need a hand with anything, feel free to use my talkpage too. bobrayner (talk) 13:49, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, much can be said of not skim-reading! In this case, Category:Health in Africa is suitable, although unfortunately you will have to select the Southern countries individually. Other categories (HIV/AIDS in Africa) may also be of interest. LT910001 (talk) 08:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the responses. I will be surveying some hcws in the rural parts of Botswana. Once we get a more comprehensive idea of what kinds of clinical topics interest them, I can upload a list. Would you guys be interested in helping edit those specific pages to make it additionally relevant in a resource limited setting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pek1987 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AfC submission

Yet another submission. We get several of these a week. Is anyone interested in joining? Cheers, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Learning Resource Server Medicine

Here's another Afc submission. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If only these were integrated into the article alerts system... LT910001 (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, tell me about it! Here's a rather good one: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Heteroscorpine. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merges - seeking opinions

I've been going through the merge list, and there have been some difficult mergers that have been proposed (by me or others), and I'd like some opinion as to whether or not they should proceed. Some are difficult because I'm not too sure whether they are the same, and others because I'm not sure if they are unique articles or branches (eg PET/MRI and PET). Would value some extra eyes. Am seeking opinions either way: I have provided some opinions below. LT910001 (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To me, "bloating" seems to define a psychological sense of distension, whereas "distension" implies a sign that can be found on examination. Would you mind commenting on one or two other items here as well? LT910001 (talk) 11:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. That's what I was trying to say above ("someone might report bloating as a symptom and there might not necessarily be any abdominal distension"), but you have said it more clearly. To say bloating=symptom, abdominal distension=sign sounds perfectly reasonable, but we need a source, otherwise might constitute OR. Both articles are poorly sourced currently. Lesion (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment. Any chance you could comment on one or two of the other proposed merges as well? I'd like at least one or two more opinions before I act on some of these merges. LT910001 (talk) 11:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on consensus I will either remove the tags or perform a merge. LT910001 (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Might want to take a look at Active metabolite & Active metabolites(prodrug). Seppi333 (talk) 06:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, good point. I've proposed a merge (talk here: Talk:Prodrug#Proposed_merge). LT910001 (talk) 11:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that active metabolite and prodrug should be merged (I left a comment there), but for now I have retargeted the redirect Active metabolites to active metabolite rather than prodrug. -- Ed (Edgar181) 12:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war at History of HIV/AIDS

Can I please have a second opinion on the current edit war at History of HIV/AIDS? page history --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 09:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Started thread on talk page. The Lancet is a reputable journal, no? It's paywalled so will need someone else to assess for MEDRS. Doesn't sound like a primary source from the abstract. If that content is kept, I think it should be merged into the above section because it is only a few sentences. Might not be as much of a sourcing issue as a due weight issue. Lesion (talk) 10:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Lesion. Lancet is fine. The last revert I did was to this version that cited just two self-published sources and something from the Atlantic Monthly. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Salt article

The salt is part of WP:Medicine. The article is approaching GA status. It included a section of the health effects of salt. I have tidied it up, and I would be grateful for further opinions on this section. Some of the sources seem to be too old for a WP:Medicine article. Please reply over there. Snowman (talk) 11:02, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, Talk:Salt/GA1#Additional input regarding health effects. – Quadell (talk) 14:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Frequently-updated Sources

DRUGDEX, DrugPoint, Medscape, UpToDate are excellent resources that quote reliable sources and while I realise they're updated regularly (which is not a horrible thing seeing how we're in a hopefully rapidly-evolving field) and this makes verifiability sometime tricky I still believe that while they may not be considered first-line or preferred sources, they should be deemed acceptable. A good example of their utility comes with side effects, their incidence (which gives the reader some context) and pharmacokinetic data — to quote all their (these resources) sources instead of these sources themselves would be, to say the least, tedious and a waste of time that could be better used on other parts of drug pages. Fuse809 (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A source needs to be strong enough to support its claims. These are likely to be strong enough for some claims and not for others. We do have some editors who are especially zealous about using the best possible sources, but most of us agree that the "best" should not be the enemy of the "good enough", especially for simpler or lighter-weight claims. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

LED phototherapy for acne vulgaris

Could someone from this project take a quick look at this edit [1] to our acne vulgaris article? Is the sourcing legitimate per WP:MEDRS, and/or is it overly promotional? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just reverted an identical edit in Light therapy. It seemed to be overwriting a 2009 systematic review with a bunch of lesser/older sources. Is this right? Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 16:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I'd missed that - I hadn't looked closely enough at the dates. I'll revert it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a welcoming note on the new editor's page and invited her to join us here. And now I need to go talk to a checkuser... WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eurycoma longifolia

I'd like to suggest that editors familiar with WP:MEDRS have a look at the article Eurycoma longifolia. The Biological Effects section seems to be a collection of in vitro and animal studies referenced mostly to primary sources. I know enough to think that this probably violates WP:MEDRS and is likely to give the typical reader the wrong impression about the validity and relevance of these biological effects, but I'm not sure how to deal with the content. Any help from more experienced editors would be appreciated. 173.62.242.128 (talk) 12:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I've pruned the text back and added a sentence sourced to WebMD which makes things clearer. Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 15:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. 173.62.242.128 (talk) 01:36, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RfC at Foreign Accent Syndrome

There is currently an open RfC at Foreign Accent Syndrome, looking for comments about what to do about the growing list of cases that has been included in the article. If there are any interested editors, we would like to invite your comments and suggestions on this matter. 0x0077BE (talk) 20:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Historical redback spider treatment

We have a bit of a dilemma at redback spider which is at FAC at present. The issue is the last paragraph of the treatment section which mentions some historical treatments, mostly now so discounted they aren't even mentioned in any peer-reviewed review article I can find (apart from magnesium). Question is - is it better to list and discount them or just delete the paragraph altogether? Am a bit torn as I can see arguments both ways and wondered if anyone else did, though I suspect most folks will recommend removing (?). Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would move the outdated treatments to the "Cultural impact" section maybe, but I have no experience with what is normal for such articles... Lesion (talk) 22:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
·Casliber Alternatively (little late for a comment, I know) move them to the history section if one exists. LT910001 (talk) 07:29, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the short section in question uses the following sources for the historical aspects of the medical treatment of spider bites in Australia: Snowman (talk) 11:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • A newspaper article from 1893 about one treatment given to one patient by one doctor: "The Deadly Red-Backed Spider". Camperdown Chronicle (Vic. : 1877 – 1954). Vic.: National Library of Australia. 1 June 1893. p. 3.
  • A newspaper article from 1951: "Don't Panic, But Treat Red-back Spider with Caution, Say Venom Experts". The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 – 1957). Melbourne, Victoria: National Library of Australia. 6 January 1951. p. 3.
  • A newspaper article form 1929: "Red-back Spider". Advocate (Burnie, Tas. : 1890 – 1954). Burnie, Tasmania: National Library of Australia. 7 September 1929. p. 5.
  • A general book from 1894 (the first sections are on Wikisourse, but not the latter sections on health). See preface, which says that "Most of the matter is original, and the rest has been carefully selected and tried by herself, and adapted to the requirements of Australian Homes.": Rawson, Wilhelmina (1894). Australian Enquiry Book of Household and General Information . Pater & Knapton, Printers & Publishers. p. 165 – via Wikisource. [scan Wikisource link]
  • A reliable source to say there is not much evidence that treatment of spider bites with magnesium sulphate works. Also, used to say "Specific treatments for which evidence is weak or lacking are not recommended.": Isbister, Geoffrey K.; Fan, Hui Wen (2011). "Spider Bite". The Lancet. 378 (9808): 2039–47. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(10)62230-1.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • A primary paper about research on strips of cat spleen in the laboratory: Pinto, J. E. B. (1 August 1973). "Peripheral Adrenergic Effect of Latrodectus mactans Venom". Toxicon. 11 (5): 395–400. doi:10.1016/0041-0101(73)90114-1. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  • A newspaper article from 1954: "Beware the Red-Back spider". Western Mail (Perth, WA : 1885 – 1954). Perth, WA: National Library of Australia. 18 March 1954. p. 3. Snowman (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hospital gown

Hello,

This article is rated as a "mid-importance" article on medicine, but it needs help. I tried to clean it up but I couldn't find any references, other than sales sites and patent applications. I think all the emphasis on children and teen age boys worrying about underwear shouldn't be the main focus of the article. It's also a "fashion" article, due to Diane von Fürstenberg having been commissioned to design hospital gowns for a clinic in Cleveland.

There's a good reference about the proper disposal of paper hospital gowns to prevent the spread of infections, and I think from personal experience that the point of hospital gowns for both patients and staff is to prevent infection, and (for patients) to allow access during surgery or other procedures to the relevant patient body parts by surgeons and medical technicians, etc.

This article pops up as first in all search engines I've tried because there doesn't seem to be any other info on the subject that I can find. Thanks, Soranoch (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried specifically searching for nursing textbooks? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
According to the article's definition, a hospital gown is "a long loose piece of clothing worn in a hospital by someone doing or having an operation." It's not in any online dictionary, except the one in the article.
Could you give me a tip on how to search specifically for nursing textbooks? I used all the search engines I know about, including academic ones. I don't know how to search outside of search engines. Soranoch (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure there is any searchable online repository of nursing textbooks. Would have to go to a medical library and do some old fashioned research. I think searching keywords "hospital gown" on Google books is the best bet... Lesion (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but a search keywords "hospital gown" on Google books is not very fruitful. I put in a couple of references in the article from that search, but they are about at the kindergarten level. This (which says that the hospital gown is to clothing what the VW car was to automobiles) is one of the few on google books. I removed from the article some of the obsession with boys being frightened and saddened by thinking about being forbidden to wear underwear.
I recommend that the importance of the article be reduced to "low" or whatever, since no one in the Medical Project is willing to fix it. Thanks for your answer though. I very much appreciate it. Soranoch (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Low importance sounds reasonable for this topic. I had a look on google books when I posted above, agree not many sources. Google scholar is one page of patents as you suggested before. I tried altering the keywords to "patient gown" which seems to generate a bit more book results... not sure if any will help. Also not sure if anyone can access these sources and what they are like: [2]Difficult article to expand. At least the poor quality sources and unsourced content have gone now. Thanks for you efforts. Lesion (talk) 00:05, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Lesion for being truly helpful! Your comments gives me confidence that I do have judgment! Best, Soranoch (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I usually search for "nursing" or "nurse" plus my other keywords (in this case, 'nursing gown'). It turns up books like this one.
There's also information in that search about sterile gowns (worn by medical staff), which aren't what most people think of when they hear the word "hospital gown". Perhaps this should be moved to "patient gown".
(We've got about a hundred articles per person watching this page [many of whom aren't primarily working on medicine-related articles, or only make a handful of edits each month]. This level of response is about normal, not an indication of nobody being interested.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Personal titles

Is there a guideline on Wikipedia that relates to how people should be described? Am reading a fair few articles that state names as "Dr. XYZ, PhD" and so forth, and not quite sure if there is a standardised way we should handle this or not. LT910001 (talk) 11:51, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CREDENTIAL Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 11:54, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! LT910001 (talk) 21:40, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lunasin

I wandered across Lunasin after being referred there by a friend. Either, this is one of the greatest things ever, or it is a bit of a puff-piece, but I'm not expert enough to know if the journals are trustworthy or not. I would appreciate someone with more knowledge than me giving it a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrjeff ([[U--LT910001 (talk) 07:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)ser talk:Mrjeff|talk]] • contribs) 17:05, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't look like a puff piece, but there isn't enough evidence yet to say that it is a great thing. Lunasin is a polypeptide found in soybeans, with substantial evidence for anticancer activity in laboratory paradigms. Normally a polypeptide can't be ingested orally because it would be digested, but apparently soybeans also contain a Bowman–Birk protease inhibitor that protects the lunasin as it passes through the digestive system. As far as I can see there is no clinical evidence for its usefulness, and the world is full of things that work well in lab paradigms but turn out not to work -- or to be toxic -- in a real-world setting. Looie496 (talk) 18:05, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for letting us know. I've marked the article with a "needs secondary sources" tag and added it to this project's scope. The article's content may be scientifically reliable but on my quick skim it seems to reply heavily on primary sources and files from the website of the same name (lunasin.com). These sources are not reliable (WP:MEDRS)。 LT910001 (talk) 07:33, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Depending on the claims made, these are probably reliable sources. You are allowed to WP:USEPRIMARY sources. We strongly discourage, but do not outright prohibit, them for medicine-related information. You might also consider whether the biggest problem is the lack of analysis (analysis is a common characteristic of secondary sources) or the sources' possible conflicts of interest. {{Third-party sources}} may be a more appropriate tag, and one that speaks directly to notability issues: if the only people writing sources for it are trying to make money off of it, then there should be no article at all. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:00, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hand, Foot and Mouth Disease

Just putting in a request (already did on the assessment page without a response) for someone to reassess the article since I've worked on it a bit. Thanks in advance! TylerDurden8823 (talk) 15:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Done, with some feedback on the talk page. JFW | T@lk 18:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Female infertility

Hi,

This is Ally, I've recently made some edits to the society and culture page the female infertility article. I hope that the additions made will help contribute to an overall more balanced article. The edits I have made involve the world approach to female infertility, a growing global concern. I will continue to edit this page for my class, and hope that they will help to increase the rating and traffic to this site. I am open to suggestions and advice if you are willing to help and contribute. If you have questions, concerns, or comments, please let me know on my talk page. AllyBremer (talk) 22:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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