Talk:UT Martin Skyhawks men's basketball

College basketball Stub‑class Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject College basketball, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of college basketball on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.College basketballWikipedia:WikiProject College basketballTemplate:WikiProject College basketballcollege basketball
Stub	This article has been rated as Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Tennessee Stub‑class Low‑importance

	Tennessee portal UT Martin Skyhawks men's basketball is within the scope of WikiProject Tennessee, an open collaborative effort to coordinate work for and sustain comprehensive coverage of Tennessee and related subjects in the Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, and even become a member. [Project Articles] • [Project Page] • [Project Talk] • [Assessment] • [Template Usage]TennesseeWikipedia:WikiProject TennesseeTemplate:WikiProject TennesseeTennessee
Stub	This article has been rated as Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Requested move

The request to rename this article to UT Martin Skyhawks men's basketball has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks men's basketball → UT Martin Skyhawks men's basketball
Template:Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks men's basketball coach navbox → Template:UT Martin Skyhawks men's basketball coach navbox
Template:Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks football navbox → Template:UT Martin Skyhawks football navbox

– Consistency with UT Martin Skyhawks, the way the University of Tennessee at Martin self-identifies for athletics. Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2013 (UTC) Arbor to SJ (talk) 16:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per common usage. As far as I can see, no real reason not to. 2010 Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks football team, 2011 Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks football team, 2012–13 Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks men's basketball team, and the family of Category:Tennessee–Martin Skyhawks should all be moved as well. Ejgreen77 (talk) 18:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per common usage. ESPN the worldwide leader, USA Today, and Sporting News all use Tennessee–Martin. Also, UT can be confused with the University of Texas similar to UT Arlington. I think the entire family should use Tennessee–Martin. -AllisonFoley (talk) 18:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- ESPN also uses "UT Martin" [1] Arbor to SJ (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose - The direction at WP:CBBALL has been to use the self-identifying names where they are clear (e.g. USC, LSU, BYU, etc.) but this case has conflicting usage as pointed out by User:AllisonFoley. I think we should wait until the abbreviated name is fully in the public eye (in other words, adopted by most reputable news services as acceptable usage). To me there is a big drop in brand awareness from "USC" to "UT Martin." Part of the point is clarity, and I'm not sure that would be achieved by this move. I am not hard over on this opinion, though. Rikster2 (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the term "UT" is too generic and unclear. Is there a University of Texas-Martin? Or University of Tallahassee-Martin? Or Tahiti? Or could it be confused with Utah... or could there be any of these in the future, or in the past? Or a professional or other amateur team that could fit the "UT-Martin" style? "Tennessee-Martin" fits our standard naming convention because it really helps when looking up the subject. It's clear, it's obvious.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What about the UC Davis Aggies or UT Arlington Mavericks? Arbor to SJ (talk) 17:47, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I thought those were mistakes too. Texas-Arlington Mavericks and California-Davis Aggies works better for me, I think they would work better for everyone.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - But "UC Davis" is the most common media usage for that university's athletics in addition to UC Davis' self-identification in NCAA sports. See: [2] [3] The media also uses "UT Arlington", per a search on espn.go.com, dallasnews.com, etc. Arbor to SJ (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Common usage does not necessarily make the best name for an article. Abe Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln, and Honest Abe serve as examples. Shortcuts for common usage terms can be established to the proper article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        The "UC" convention for the California schools is very ingrained in US culture, that one is fine. Literally no one says "California-Santa Barbara" (for example). I think UT Arlington is a mistake too. Rikster2 (talk) 16:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with both points. "UC" is the exception, not the rule. I guarantee if articles were erroneously moved to California-Davis, for instance, they'd be quickly and swiftly reverted. It's entirely wrong for those to be anything other than UC Davis, UC Santa Barbara, etc. Tennessee and Texas are ambiguous due to their lack of common usage as "UT." In fact, "UT" by itself is commonly used to refer to the University of Tennessee, the flagship campus. I oppose renaming to "UT Martin." Jrcla2 (talk)