Talk:Straight edge

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Straight Edge
Stylistic origins	Hardcore punk Crossover thrash Washington, D.C. hardcore
Cultural origins	Early-1980s Washington D.C
Typical instruments	Vocals - Electric guitar - Bass - Drums
Derivative forms	Youth crew - Positive hardcore
Other topics
Hardcore dancing - DIY punk ethic - Positive mental attitude

I removed the infobox because I feel that this article was written from more of a social science prospective looking at straight edge as a subculture and less as an artistic genere. What do others think? --Guerillero | My Talk 13:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

So what is Straight edge?

Is it a punk movement? A military movement? A religion?

I previously knew OF this straight edge thingy. I thought of it as just another American puritan movement. But since I never encountered it, other than the music, I never gave it much thought. Now decades later I read this and know not much more than what I did when I knew nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

It is a movement within the Hardcore Punk scene. --Guerillero | My Talk 19:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it is not affiliated with any one religion or military. Many straight edge people share common morals on certain things, but there is no formal political agenda either. On its own it is simply a choice to refrain from consuming certain things, just like vegetarianism. Freikorp (talk) 01:28, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Where it went?

It seems today that straightedge is a term commonly used by emos and ravers ('scene kids'), who have little understanding of the origin of straightedge but brandish the orientation and/or the X to indicate their abstinence in otherwise drug-centered subcultures. Rave, for example, stresses the ideas of peace while still being quite enthusiastic about amphetamines, so it would be logical for some to go X. With Emo, Punk and Rave being more closely associated these days (with scene subculture and emo/rave cross bands like Blood On The Dance Floor) by the mainstream music industry, is this the fourth wave of X? --24.118.61.24 (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Talk pages are for discussing how to improve the article. "Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject." Freikorp (talk) 00:14, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

List of People That Follow a Straight Edge Lifestyle

Due to a mistake of capitalization, see Talk:Straight Edge. I think List of People That Follow a Straight Edge Lifestyle should be merged back to this article rather than exist standalone. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion is now closed BlackDragon 00:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was to Keep the two pages separate. The list has greatly expanded and no comment has been made here since the moment it was made--

BlackDragon 00:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I would like to discuss...

"List of People that follow a Straight Edge" stub article should have been created in the original Straight Edge article so that consensus could have been reached about creating a separate list. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Its a "stub" because I just created it and I have a life and dont want to add like a hundred people at once. They are many people that follow this lifestyle and could produce a big list, if people helped of course, but the article literally just started and should stay separate and not merge. This would make the Straight Edge page a list and not an article and would make it pretty long, which is unnecessary. This page should have a list section and then have a link to the list page I just made. Besides there are tons of list articles and they have to start out somewhere. So the page should stay how it is and everyone should help make it longer, I mean I barely scraped the list, just kinda added the more well known ones like Punk and Hetfield. BlackDragon 00:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

And if refs are a worry I can easily find them and add them in no prob. BlackDragon 00:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I've moved the closed discussion back here for archival purposes as I am redirecting Talk:Straight Edge to this page so that this capital issue does not happen a third time. Freikorp (talk)

Some of you forgot something...

Prominent lyrics by Minor Threat themselves that were a major basis of the initial straight edge movement, (from the track Out of Step)-

"Listen,
this is no set of rules
I'm not telling you what to do
all i'm saying, is that i'm bringing up like three things
that are like so important to the whole world,
that i don't have to find, much importance in
because of these things, whether it's fucking or playing golf,
i feel that...

I can't keep up!"

"all i'm saying, is that i'm bringing up like three things"

"BRINGING UP LIKE THREE THINGS"

Earlier in the song Ian declares;
"(I) don't smoke
I don't drink
I don't fuck
At least I can fucking think"

Not smoking, not drinking, (presumabley drugs in general) and not having promiscuous sex were his own personal preferences.

Somehow I think things took a turn for the worse when some parade of dipshits started incorporating fascist(and/or)christianity.

So, I'm definitely altering this part from the beginning paragraph-
"While the common thread in all straight edge identity has always been the abstinence of alcohol, nicotine, and illegal drugs"
to:
"While the commonly expressed aspects in the majority of the straight edge subculture have been abstinence of alcohol, nicotine, and illegal drugs"

I'm fairly dissappointed in whomever decided to condone that bit of the article. Very misinformative when declaring those kind of thoughtless absolutes.