Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/D-flat minor

D-flat minor

• A scale that does not correspond to a key signature that no one sees what its advantage is. Delete. Georgia guy 18:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I can't fathom what useful information could possibly be added to the article. David L Rattigan 18:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC) David L Rattigan 19:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep some examples of notable pieces of music that uses this key would definitely improve the article a great deal. But the key exists and a modest article on it seems suitably encyclopedic. Gwernol 18:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I would say keep if I thought there were actually some verifiable sources or examples of pieces in this key, but do they actually exist? David L Rattigan 18:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, I found some, including a Rachmaninov piano concerto [1]. Google turns up several. Most of them arerelatively minor (nothing like Beethoven's Fifth) but they exist and some are notable enough. Gwernol 18:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Think you meant a Rachmaninoff Etude, by the way. Rachmaninoff's Concertos are in F-sharp minor, C minor, D minor, and G minor. TheProject 22:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I've added four example pieces by notable composers to the article. Changing my opinion to Keep. Gwernol 18:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Strong delete. Having played both pieces, I'm quite certain that Chopin's Schzero Op. 31 is in B-flat minor (alternatively, in D-flat major, the key in which it ends), and his Prelude Op. 28 No. 15 in D-flat major, and I've never seen anything suggest otherwise. The Prelude has a section in C-sharp minor, which would be equivalent to the supposed D-flat minor. I've never seen this section written in flats, however, and I don't think the fact that there's one section of the Prelude that goes into a key, that, if written in flats, would constitute D-flat minor, is enough of a reason for saying that the Prelude is in D-flat minor. Furthermore, I can't see any place where the Scherzo goes into anything remotely approaching D-flat minor. The closest thing one can find is a section in E major, equivalent to F-flat minor, the relative key to D-flat minor. Unless there's an actual manuscript edition somewhere that suggests that these pieces were originally written in an eight-flat key signature, I'm inclined to dismiss this as a hoax. (I can't speak for the Rachmaninoff or Schubert pieces.) TheProject 22:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I am changing my vote also. I did the same search and found a surprising number of pieces in this key. Although I am skeptical whether anyone editing the article will find actual references to people writing about the key and its qualities, in theory it could be expanded. David L Rattigan 19:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• strong keep Rachmaninov, Schubert, Chopin! — brighterorange (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. We also have articles on A major, A minor, A-flat major, A-flat minor, A-sharp minor, B major, B minor, B-flat major, B-flat minor, C major, C minor, C-flat major, C-sharp major, C-sharp minor, D major, D minor, D-flat major, D-sharp minor, E major, E minor, E-flat major, E-flat minor, F major, F minor, F-sharp major, F-sharp minor, G major, G minor, G-flat major, and G-sharp minor. Either all should stay, or all should go. On behalf of the Action Committee for Equal Opportunity for all Musical Keys, Sincerely, Lambiam^Talk 22:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: those keys all technically "exist" (i.e. can be written in standard sharps and flats notation) within the circle of fifths. D-flat minor, however, is a non-existent key that involves being written using double-flats. See circle of fifths -- it will explain it better than I can. TheProject 22:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I have no clue why this is being nominated. I'm completely puzzled by it. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)