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The table as it currently stands only covers Sexual Orientation rights and not Trans* or Intersex rights. A separate table should be had for Trans* and Intersex rights as Gender/Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation are not the same and making additions to the existing table in terms of columns would make the current table unwieldy and confusing. The current table easily portrays the information on Sexual Orientation rights and is titled accordingly. As such to adequately portray to the same standards the Gender/Gender Identity rights properly a separate table is needed. Sport and politics (talk) 14:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer to have one table only if possible, to keep information per country. We could remove the column about the military, we can just add a note below for Cyprus. For anti-discrimination laws, we can distinguish between countries with SO only and SO & GI anti-discrimination laws. Same for hate speech laws. Then we could add a column for laws on gender change. What columns would you include in a separate table for laws on gender/gender identity? SPQRobin (talk) 14:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The minimum GI Columns need to be IMO, Transsexualism declassified as a disease, Trans* people allowed to change documents and legal gender, The recognition of more than just male and Female Genders, and being allowed to change their gender and retain then marriage/union without being required to divorce/dissolve it for trans people and the right to marry for Intersex people. That is at least 4/5 new columns If there are separate columns on the rights to serve in the military and specific anti discrimination laws to GI then we are up to 6/7 columns, making a table with more than enough information and easily distinguishable that sexual orientation and Gender Identity are not the same and there are significant differences between the two in terms of rights and equality. At the moment the table gives a false impression that GI and SO are the same and the GI is on a par with SO when in fact it is far from it. Sport and politics (talk) 09:11, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
SO and GI are of course not the same, but in similar tables they are always combined (LGBT rights by country or territory). I'm not opposed to a separate table on this article, but:
  • Transsexualism declassified as a disease: I didn't find much information about it, but I would be surprised if a EU country classified it as a disease. (We neither include a column about homosexuality being (de)classified as a disease.)
  • Trans* people allowed to change documents and legal gender: this should certainly be added
  • GI anti-discrimination laws can be specified in the existing column, like we usually do on LGBT rights articles
  • For the other rights you mentioned, they are often difficult to find and often not even reported on in the main LGBT rights article of the country.
I'm also not sure whether we should restrict the table to legal aspects relevant to EU law or if we can include any relevant LGBT rights. SPQRobin (talk) 18:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]