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===document screwed up===
 I don't know how to operate wiki very well, but this document is, in fact, rather screwed up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.174.47 (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The image showing a "small replica of a satyr" is in fact of a twentieth century souvenir, reinterpreting the satyr as a cork-screw.

This should be replaced with an authentic image, perhaps from a fifth century vase painting? Skeowsha

The line drawing of a sculpture at right is not up to the present quality of illustrations. I moved it here. --Wetman 08:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Satyrs are always depicted in Greek art as having a horse's tail, and occasionally as having a horse's hind legs and tail. IN the opening paragraph of this article it says that in Greek mythology they are "goat like", but then a few paragraphs down it says that the conflation with Roman fauns was the origin of the Goat features. So clearly, the opening paragraph about them being Greek, goat-featured creatures can't be correct. It was the Romans that made them goat featured.

THe article should be changed to reflect this, and the first paragraph and the later paragraph in the introduction should be edited so that they don't contradict one another.


warcraft universe?

who cares about warcraft universe? this is an article about greek mythology... so i think the 2 lines at the end should be deleted

warcraft pwnz u so stfu n00b
in fairness, other mytho-zoological articles mention the creature's role in modern fantasy fiction and frequently gives examples.
Then it should be stated that they are depicted as such in the Warcraft universe, not in the actual game. Satyrs are canon within the novels and RTS games as well. I do think it should be included if the fantasy/game is notable, which Warcraft is. In any case, fantasy worlds are often not only affected, but indeed based upon classic mythology. So there. I suppose it'd be redundant to cite LoTR in every fantasy depiction that includes tall sexy elves, though. --RoSeeker (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


In the article, it states that they (satyrs) are part of the demonic Night Elf race; although in other media Elves can be portrayed as evil - I think anyone who has played Warcraft would be hard pressed to label the Night Elves as demonic. 91.109.158.146 (talk) 08:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In World of Warcraft, Satyrs are Night Elves that embraced demonic magic and have changed form as a result. So as the above commenter says, the Night Elves themselves are not demonic but some have become demons, and those are the satyrs. See WoWWiki for more. -- NRTurner (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

The addition of the trivia concerning 'Pan's Labrynth' is erroneous at best and false at worst and should be removed (or fixed to 'Faun' and have the name removed). The faun (not satyr) is never once in the film referred to as Pan (or as a satyr) and is actually specifically referred to as having a name which cannot be pronounced. Furthermore, the only time that the word 'Pan' appears in the film in any translation is in the English title. 68.96.255.13 14:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit

I tried not to take out any information that was there, but when I was reading it I noticed alot of repeditive stuff so I tried to put it in an easier to read format and combine some of the repetitive stuff. Hope its ok. yes.

Satyrs/Fauns

The article about fauns meantions that fauns differed from satyrs in aving human feet instead of hooves. I don't know whether this is true, but it should be mentioned if it is. --Smajie

I was under the impression that fauns and satyrs were one in the same; would someone clarify? (ReBooter) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.90.54.211 (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that they are the same but that the Romans called them fauns, and the Greeks called them satyrs, but I don't have anything to back that up.131.123.102.78 (talk) 20:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Subterreanean Satyrs?

I have deleted the section on Satyrs as living in caves under South America. The link given was a link to a questionable 'UFO' website. they live all over the world. they come out night on a full moon,mostly to protect the faun,who eat mountain flowers,from spring to fall.the fauns are in reality little people,or satyr who have not gone through the change thats an operation done by the king of each tribe.the operation is detaching the upper torso from the goat legs and hips of a dying satyr.these war like beings thy bob up and down ,they carry swords and spears ,when disarmed the end of thier finger tip has poison barb,if this barb it causes fever, memory, loss,and sometimes death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.79.172 (talk) 22:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The trasformation of the Satyr

I added a section about the transformation of the Satyr in late greek art and I would like to add more. I recently read an article on Satyrs in Nothing to Do with Dionysos? Athenian Drama in Its Social Context. As Greek society progressed they became more open and secure and they no longer had to depict the Satyr, the symbol of desire, as ugly and wretched with a massive erection. Rather, in late Greek art, they humanized it. No where is this transformation more clear than in Euripes "Cyclops" the last remaining Satyr play. In the play the older Satyr, the sileni lies and cheats just so that he can get drunk, whereas the younger Satyr is much more compassionate and tries to protect Odyesseus from his father's lies.

I think without talking about this great shift in the iconography of the Satyr the article will remain incomplete.

Twentieth Century Tourist Replica

The image, uploaded by User:Foufoutos who made a handful of edits in January, is a monochrome photo unlikely to have been taken recently; it does not depict a bronze from antiquity, as a glance even of the photo shows: sleek modern surface, inauthentic stylization of features. I moved this here, so we can get some information on where this statuette currently is and see what the copyright status is. Aha! now here is the Greek bronze in the National Archaeological Museum, Athens, of which our illus. is a coarse copy for the tourist trade. Compare just the faces! --Wetman 07:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Satyrs as Apes

The concept of satyr as a type of ape is older than the 17th century - The Book of Beasts (T. H. White's translation of a 12th-century bestiary) clearly describes the Satyr as an ape of some sort. (The illustration shows a traditional satyr, but the description is of an ape). Vultur (talk) 17:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something that might cause confusion...

The link sileni lead to the article on ipotanes, which appear to be the orginal horse-like version of satyrs. The sentence that contains this link is refering to elderly goat-like satyrs, not ipotanes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.177.124 (talk) 23:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Erect penis not pictured"?

"A Satyr depicted on a Roman mosaic in Villa Romana del Casale, an archeological site near Piazza Armerina in Sicily, Italy Erect penis not pictured"

Is that vandalism, or was the picture censored? If the picture is censored, why was it censored? Шизомби (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"shaggy demon"?

What is the "'shaggy demon of the mountain-pass' (أزب الاكب) of old Arab legend" referred to in the article? I don't know how to properly transliterate the Arabic, it's something like Azb Al-Akb (missing vowels). Шизомби (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heterosexist

This description of the Satyr as exclusively heterosexual is wrong. The Satyrs like many Greek deities were pansexual, hence the name pan sexual. This article maintains a heterosexist view that is inacurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.7.88 (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article needs to be better referenced and thought out. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

images

An anonymous editor from an IP has systematically removed all the images in the article. Though I've long thought that it was rather in-your-face to have the unusual image of the satyr performing a balancing act with his phallus at the top of the article, I'm reluctant to think that this wholesale deletion was mere puritanism. The selection did seem to have been based primarily on affording the juvenile pleasure of repeating "erect penis" in the captions. There ought to be a greater range of images, maybe, especially to reflect satyrs depicted in later periods, but the text is too short at present for this kind of presentation. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History/origin of the satyr

At the Hittite (also Hurrian) site of Karkamış in Turkey, near the Syrian border, there are is a frieze with creatures that clearly resemble satyrs on it. Perhaps a history of the mythical creatures would be appropriate for the article?

http://www.hittitemonuments.com/karkamis/ http://www.hittitemonuments.com/karkamis/kargamis106.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.43.160.22 (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well if anyone adds this section, might want to reference Plutarch's story about a satyr being captured near Apollonia and brought before Sulla. (Plutarch, Sulla 27) 27.33.43.226 (talk) 09:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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