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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Gowron (talk | contribs) at 12:49, 16 June 2006 (Clarification 4). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Created "Plas y Brenin" Talk page. (Gowron 09:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

email: rcj@cabernet.demon.co.uk - if you want to share information before adding to the entry

The place to share information and views is the discussion page - not email. If you edit on Wikipedia you must expect to be edited. I do not think I cut very much at all, certainly nothing factual. I don't know why you in the first place changed my 1870 to 'Sometime between 1869 and 1871' because that is the same thing and a case of why use one word when you can use five? But I did re-arrange and improved the punctuation in several places, which you have now undone. Bolding should be done sparingly if at all. In articles of this size just one or two key points and not in the history section. You have restored or inserted Wiki links to articles that don't exist. Why? This is bad practice. I am quite sure you can correctly wikilink Lord Penrhyn in some way without inventing a new article. I had changed references to the arrival (where?) of the Irish Mail Train to Chester and Holyhead Railway etc if only because the London to Dublin (Irish Mail) ran via Liverpool from 1839 until 1850 and only provincial mail went at that time via Holyhead. The opening of the railway to Bangor saw even this traffic switch to rail. You do not give Dukes their numbers unless it serves some real purpose but you could if you wish say that he was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (which perhaps explains his visit). Why you want all that white space at the beginning I do not know. Bad practice. This page is not you personal property but I do admire the amount of work you have put into it and I do not think my edit diminished that in any way. Nice pictures, I suspect that you have family connections? NoelWalley 08:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do take on board you comments and you are right that the entry is not mine. You are right to suspect family connections, I get terribly nostalgic when I see pictures of the place, it was a fantastic place to grow up, as I lived there for 20 years. My father was Play y Brenin's Director for 18 years. The 1869 and 1870 fact come from the register of the INN/Hotel and marraige and deaths records, I quote from the Royal Hotel's own short history document:

Clarification 1 "Its is not known when the Hotel became known as the Royal Hotel butt all evidence seems to point to the year 1970 or 1971. The Hotel Register for the years 1861-1867 bears the inscribed title capel Curig Hotel, but the next available register, that of 1873 bears the new title Royal Hotel. In addition, the entries in the marriages anbd Burial Registers of the local church give the address of the Hotel emplyees as The Capel Curig Hotel until the year 1869 and from the year 1871 as the Royal Hotel" These dates coincide with the death of the the Jane Williams, who was in sole charge, in 1869, her death may have lead to a short "Dark Age" of information.

Does this clarify why we can't be specific on the date. The book is also the source of th ephotographs. I am sitting in mounds of documentation that my father collected, he also has a wealth of original Archeology of the area. 

(Gowron 12:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Clarification 2

I have other documentation regarding the relevant railway, again I quote from the "Short History of the Royal Hotel" Book. In the year 1808 the Mail Coach on its journey between Holyhead and Shrewsbury began to runj via Capel Curig. It followed this router without interruption until June, 1848 when the Irish Mail Train robbed the Coach of its important work". Now its is possible "The Royal Hotel" historians have got it wrong, but the source I'm using is very credible.


Clarification 3

What is bad practice? Thats go to be in the eye of the beholder. The white space is produced by the webserver server software wheather they that is PHP or ASP I do not know, the text and images are written to your computer from databases and not HTML documents and as such do not have total control of where things are rendered onto you monitor. Content Style sheets govern the complexion or template of the pages, this is not under user control. (Gowron 12:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]


Clarification 4

By "arrival" I mean "when" not "where", the confusion is probably due to style and we all have our own verion of that.

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