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Bonaire, Saba, Saint Eustatius now a part of the Netherlands

With the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles, Bonaire, Saba, and Saint Eustatius have become part of the Netherlands and are subject to Dutch law. Their marriage laws must be gender neutral. For the first time, marriages between persons of the same sex can be conducted in the Caribbean.

Mozambique and the United Arab Emirates

- If you enter LGBT rights in Africa article you can notice that Mozambique is grey on the map, I don't know if consensual homosexual acts are officially legal in Mozambique but according to an article in the reference list of that page, the Mozamibican Justice Minister Benvinda Levi has stated that homosexuality is not a criminal offence in her country. - In the LGBT rights in the United Arab Emirates article it's stated that in sodomy cases the capital punishment might be applicable, so should the UAE be filled with brown colour on the map or not?

Colours

United Arab Emirates should be coloured brown because a death sentence is possible for committing homosexual acts. A dark blue ring should be placed in Cambodia to indicate that there has been at least one case of a recognized and registered marriage performed there. Marawi, Philippines should be coloured either yellow, light orange, dark orange, or brown depending on what the penalty is for committing homosexual acts in that city. Liberia should be coloured yellow because the penalty for homosexual acts is only a fine and not a jail sentence. Namibia should also be coloured yellow because homosexual acts are illegal but no penalties are currently enforced. Lebanon should be coloured yellow because homosexual acts are illegal but with a minimum penalty and very lax enforcement. United States jurisdictions run by the Coquille and Suquamish Aboriginal tribes should be coloured dark blue because they recognize and perform same-sex marriages.

Djodjo666 (talk) July 27, 2012, 6:12 (UTC)

Japan should be coloured light blue because they recognize foreign same-sex marriages but do not perform them in the country.

Djodjo666 (talk) July 27, 2012, 7:05 (UTC)

Restrictions on Freedom of Expression

I see Russia has been colored its own color, relating to its new laws. I have two concerns with this though:

1. "Restrictions on Freedom of Expression" is vague in this situation. All countries have some kind of restriction on Freedom of Expression (eg, you aren't allowed to spill top secret info). Even if you narrow it down to "Freedom of Expression related to sexual orientation or identity" you could argue that any laws against "hate speech" towards LGBT groups are in themselves ristrictions on the freedom of expression. (Which would include countries like Sweden.) If a category for Russia etc is to exist it needs to be defined more specificly. 2. There are more countries besides Russia with similar laws, I think at least one or two of the Baltic countries have similar laws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.172.121.73 (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there needs to be a more specific designation for Russia to be colored in. What about China? Does the "Three Nos" count? How about Singapore? North Korea? Turkey? This map reflects the legal practices of countries around the world. It is impossible for there to be de facto recognized relationships, but it is possible for de facto restrictions on freedom of speech. That makes this map far too uncertain for my liking. --170.140.214.214 (talk) 16:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And the new anti-gay propaganda in Moldova?--186.109.248.216 (talk) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I think that having this category is unnecessary. This is a map that is supposed to reflect whether or not one can identify as homosexual openly. In Russia, you can be LGBT and have a relationship with someone of the same-sex (Even though there is no legal recognition). Therefore, I don't see why we should visit an issue that is completely separate from this one (freedom of expression). If we are going to begin down the road of whether or not you can discuss it, it brings to question a host of other issues. Some countries don't have propaganda laws, but certainty have social stigmas or taboos on the topic. I think Russia should be grey, and that there should be another section or page created to discuss circumstances like those in Russia and other countries. Perhaps we could give the societal attitudes towards homosexuality a much needed overhaul? Some of the statistics are outdated and there was a map that dealt with the topic as well. Maybe it could be brought back and changed to denote the social acceptance of LGBT people as well as a color to show what countries have taken steps to institutionalize discrimination in these other areas (Speech, expression, etc.)? Chase1493 (talk) 07:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I made the original (unsigned) post, I apparently forgot to log in. I'll be happy with a removal, I think it the extra color makes this map harder to see anyway. Moving the info to the societal attitudes page works for me. -- Lejman (talk) 00:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oregon vs. Coahuila

The situation in Oregon, US and Coahuila, Mexico is the same: both states offer a form of civil union and both recognize out-of-state marriages. So why are the colors different? 89.74.153.149 (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... Ya know, I never realized that. I know that higher forms of recognition (and their colors) override lower ones. Although I'm wondering how we can reconcile that without removing any mention of the sub-national Mexican jurisdictions that have moved to create some form of legal recogntion for LGBT couples in their states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chase1493 (talk • contribs) 10:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaii and Jalisco

Both should be updated to the map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.88.26 (talk) 23:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, could someone either change the map or teach me how to edit the map so I can do it myself? --Prcc27 (talk) 05:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Download Inkscape; its free to use. Take the outline of the Jalisco shape from the vector image of Mexican states: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jalisco_en_M%C3%A9xico.svg, copy and paste it onto this map (resize as you see fit), and recolor it. Hope that helps. --170.140.197.90 (talk) 01:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I might try that.. --Prcc27 (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Mexico Recognition

New Mexico Recognizes same sex marriage. The blue ring should NOT be removed! (Why do I even bother) http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/democracy_for_new_mexico/2011/01/attorney-general-gary-king-issues-opinion-supporting-recognition-of-out-of-state-same-sex-marriages.html --Prcc27 (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Question about Scotland and Jalisco

So I know Scotland does not recognize same sex marriage but if it did or dose in the future I'm just wondering if when it's on the map if we would just combined it with England or put of border between the 2 even though there the same country ? I think we should just combined them when and if that happens but that's just my opinion.

And not to keep bugging people but will Jalisco ever be added ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.88.39 (talk) 16:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request for Libya

The Libyan National Assembly has passed the Sharia law. Al Jazeera. It should be in dark red because sharia imposes death for homosexuality acts. Japanesehelper (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The consequences of that vote are uncertain. As the article says, "The immediate scope of the General National Congress's (GNC) decision on Wednesday was not clear." - htonl (talk) 02:26, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio

Ohio recognizes same-sex marriage (on an individual case basis). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/ohio-must-recognize-marriage_n_3863068.html I suggest adding a ring. Prcc27 (talk) 23:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

India Supreme Court decision 2013

Could someone please update the map following India's Supreme Court decision to recriminalise gay sex? Thanks Udzu (talk) 11:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes according to this source [1], with a 10 year jail sentence the map needs to be updated to reflect it. India to orange. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:52, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Jalisco

Jalisco should be added to the civil union column. I think. http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Western-Mexico-state-approves-gay-civil-unions --Prcc27 (talk) 02:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: It looks like Jalisco needs a ring. http://purpleunions.com/blog/2013/12/mexico-first-same-sex-couple-marries-in-jalisco.html Prcc27 (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Utah

Make the color of the state of Utah dark blue, a Federal Judge overturned the state's same-sex marriage ban today. Couples have already been issued marriage licenses. The governor voiced his attempt to bring the ban back, but it is not certain when that will happen. - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-gaymarriage-utah-20131220,0,4692192.story — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nevermiand. (talk • contribs) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me or does Utah look kinda weird...? Prcc27 (talk) 04:07, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuania

Shouldn't the country be turned gray since the law was amended to remove the ban on orientation promotion and add a non discrimination provision? See here. Is there something I'm missing? --U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 12:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn’t. There is still the infamous "Law on the Protection of Minors". I wouldn’t be against leaving the country gray, but the authorities recently banned a pro-LGBT advertisement citing precicely the clause in this Act, banning public support to same-sex marriage (this is mentioned in the article you cited, one paragraph up).--Ąžuolas (talk) 12:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, it should be turned gray. Lithuanian laws can not be equated to Russian propaganda laws.
"On 22 December 2009 the clauses banning the promotion among minors of "homosexual, bisexual, and polygamous relations" were in fact eliminated, but as a compromise, the paragraph was replaced by a "ban to spread information that would promote sexual relations or other conceptions of concluding a marriage or creating a family other than established in the Constitution or the Civil Code"."
I can't see a discriminating law here. Jonaz777 (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What you see or don’t see, is not an issue. The article you cite clearly bans discussions about same-sex families and the authorities have used it to restrict pro-LGBT information.--Ąžuolas (talk) 09:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discriminatory clauses in the Law on the Protection of Minors have been removed as far back as 2009. The current law states that you cannot promote "a sexual identity," that includes hetero/bi/homosexuality, which doesn't seem homophobic to me. In any case, the Lithuanian law CANNOT be in the same category as the Russian one, they are completely different.

Please change Lithuania to gray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mxae (talk • contribs) 20:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your information is incorrect. There is no such law in Lithuania that bans promotion of "sexual identities". On the other hand, the laws laws in different countries don’t have to be EXACTLY the same to be coloured the same. You either remove this "propaganda laws" colour altogether or keep it as it is.--Ąžuolas (talk) 09:53, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nicaragua should be beige

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/nicaragua.html The law in the country is harsher than both the former Moldovan or the current Lithuanian ones. I'm also remembering seeing such a language in an ILGA "state-sponsored homophobia" report (though it doesn't seems to be the 2013 one). 177.195.67.244 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Utah Update

Utah needs to be removed. --Prcc27 (talk) 23:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Utah still needs to be removed! --Prcc27 (talk) 04:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TRNC

Northern Cyprus needs to be recoloured as same-gender sex was legalised this week. Rossoh (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnam: unregistered partnership

Vietnam shoule be coulored in light blue. Since November 2013 unregistered partnerships are allowed by parliament decision.

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