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The user (Indiggo77) removed information that I submitted to the article several weeks ago regarding Indiggo's attempts to represent Romania at Eurovision Song Contest. It is ACTUAL FACT and actually happened, rather than fanzine shit that this article is otherwise littered with. Maybe they're ashamed? I don't know. But without real stuff like that why bother? May as well delete this whole article. --94.168.45.15 (talk) 23:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The German "Bild" paper is cited as a reference, but has a doubtful reputation like the British "Sun". Since you can meet "Bild" editors on Hamburg's Reeperbahn who openly tell you that this is "sponsored by Bohlen", they praise him in their articles as "Poptitan".

Nontheless the statement is wrongly referenced, “The Indiggo twins have got sensational voices and ...." is not made by Bohlen, but by the "Bild" editor.

The whole article mostly talks about their -including Bohlen's- "sex appeal" which is more than arguable to cite as a reference in Wikipedia.

The references cited above as issues have been either corrected or removed. Please remove the "flags" at the top of Indiggo page. Thank You (208.123.176.104 (talk) 02:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC))--208.123.176.104 (talk) 02:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Another example of Indiggo77's unsourced and unverifiable claims on Indiggo's wikipedia article is that Indiggo7 wrote: "They are represented by Creative Artists Agency (CAA) which is developing a TV project starring the twins, based on Mihaela's novel "Wicked Clone"." I deleted this unsourced claim.63.247.160.139 (talk) 08:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indiggo77 violating wikipedia guidelines

63.247.160.139 (talk) 23:26, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Age - Date of birth June 7, 1983

Indiggo's IMDB pages list their birth date as June 7, 1983 which would make them 30 years old. I can't find any other sources that list their age or birth date since Michaela & Gabriela are not notable (especially not in the United States).

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2451793/

(1983-06-07) June 7, 1983 (age 41)


63.247.160.139 (talk) 04:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

reality TV contestants on America's Got Talent

Their IMDB pages say that they were contestants on America's Got Talent in 2008.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2451793/?ref_=nm_ov_bio_lk1


63.247.160.139 (talk) 04:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indiggo on America's Got Talent (2008, Season 3)

This is a video of Indiggo singing on America's Got Talent where Piers Morgan tells them they have terrible voices. Also, in the video Indiggo says they're from Romania. (They literally say "we were born Romania, Bucharest") See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WThLwpToUsc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD55N0e1his
http://agt.wikia.com/wiki/Indiggo 63.247.160.139 (talk) 01:33, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At 4:33, Piers Morgan says to Indiggo: "You've got everything going for you apart from your terrible voices." 63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian

I would like to point out that User:Indiggo77 has deleted the fact that Indiggo is Romanian without explanation over 10 times.63.247.160.139 (talk) 07:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To User:Epeefleche- What source are you using to back up your claim that Gabriela and Mihaela Modorcea are American (not Romanian)?63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you notice that they were in the show "America's" Got Talent? Or that they say they received American citizenship? Did you look at the prior sources, or do a google search? As to them being Romanian, I noted that they were Romanian-born, and sourced that, so that should (as stated) survive any effort to delete it.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I watched them on America's Got Talent (on youtube) and their whole shtick was that they are Romanian twins coming to reach stardom in America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQt1BuHLR1I 63.247.160.139 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.today.com/id/25222768/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/rowdy-beginning-americas-got-talent/#.UxZFtV5FpfY says "Then, Romanian twin sisters who went by the name of Indiggo did a heinous rendition of Frank Sinatra’s “New York, New York.” The judges acknowledged the singing was terrible, but must have been feeling charitable as they gave the twins a pass so they could have another chance to impress in Vegas." 63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 20 February 2014

IMDB is not a reliable source - WP:RS/IMDB.

So please

1. Remove (born June 7, 1983 in Romania),<ref>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3337437/</ref>

2. Change Gabriela Modorcea is an aspiring actress.<Ref>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2451793/</ref> She had a non-speaking cameo role

to

Gabriela Modorcea had a non-speaking cameo role

3. Remove <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480271/fullcredits|title=www.imdb.com/title/tt0480271/fullcredits<!--INSERT TITLE-->}}</ref>

and replace it with

{{fact}}

88.104.19.233 (talk) 06:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You assert that this is the twins and then you want to remove a source they added to support their birthdate and you want to remove their birthdate? Mosfetfaser (talk) 06:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
IMDB does not qualify as a reliable source in Wikipedia. Further discussion here won't change that. If something is reliable and notable (from Wikipedia's perspective) it will have been reported by one or more sources that qualify as reliable sources. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(born June 7, 1983 in Romania) has been placed in the article by the living person the article is about, would it not be more agreeable to leave that in the article and add a fact request? Mosfetfaser (talk) 06:31, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
IMDB does not qualify as a reliable source in Wikipedia. Please have a read through WP:BLP so that you are clear on the requirements for articles about living people. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer removing it, unless/until an RS can be provided. But sure, it could be tagged instead; I'm not that bothered either way. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If the persons the article is about are adding a date of birth wiki should give it strong consideration b4 rejection, a fact request tag would imo suffice for the time being Mosfetfaser (talk) 06:46, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, we shouldn't be doing that. IMDB is not an RS, anyone can add information and anyone can say they are the person the article is about. Sean.hoyland - talk 07:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Additional request:

4. After Bliznyashka No. 2, respectively. please put {{Failed verification}} because the reference given [1] does not mention the girls at all, as far as I can tell (even under alt spelling). 88.104.19.233 (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC) Exactly, the sources Indiggo77 adds don't back up their claims.63.247.160.139 (talk) 06:49, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should currently be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. The page was unprotected... I personally oppose the original request bullet 1, support bullet 2, and bullet three is lacking detail - so I oppose it at this time as well. I suggest that before making any edits to this article, make sure that a clear consensus has been reached. Happy editing. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 17:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I notice protection has been removed.

Technical 13, I'm not sure why you oppose 1 and 3; please refer to WP:IMDB.

I'm not going to make the edits right now, because the deletion discussion is ongoing so I think it's best to let people evaluate the article as-is. If it's kept, I'll make edits (and get appropriate consensus if needed) 88.104.19.233 (talk) 23:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Indiggo77

I left User talk:Indiggo77 comments but they have now blanked their user talk page.63.247.160.139 (talk) 06:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, they can do that if they want Mosfetfaser (talk) 06:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mosfetfaser, my point is that I was trying to talk to them about the problems (edit warring, etc.) and they deleted their entire talk page. 63.247.160.139 (talk) 06:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've got some sympathy with that - they'd been spammed to death with warning templates. But anyway, they're blocked for now, so we'll see if they'll cooperate. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 07:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with sources

The following sources might be reliable, but do not demonstrate notability in any way.

  • "Merging Empires" barely mentions Indiggo in passing, that they were sampled on a track on the album.
  • This page appears to be a copy-pasted press release, which would be reliable enough for statements about themselves, but does not demonstrate notability.
  • OpenPR is a press release site. Press releases can be reliable for statements about the subject, but do not demonstrate notability.

The following sources might be reliable, but don't belong here:

  • Hotnews.ro may or may not be reliable, but it doesn't mention Indiggo or its members at all. Granted, it's being used to source the statement that author D. R. Popescu exists, but it does not source the statement that he wrote a play titled "Two Sisters," much less that it was about or for them. I cannot assume both good faith and competence from that.
  • This "Montecristo International" page demonstrates that the movie "No Love in the City" probably exists, but does not demonstrate that they were in it. That is, they are not mentioned in the credits section, which only lists "Aleksey Chadov, Vladimir Zelenskiy, Ville Khaapasalo, Vera Brezhneva, Filipp Kirkorov." Montecristo may or may not have shortened the credits page, but considering the Hotnews citation, I'm inclined to think that that's as full as it's always been.

The following sources need to be removed outright:

  • Bild, as mentioned earlier in this page, is a tabloid. Not exactly a great source of journalism. Again, do I get to cite the Weekly World News?
  • IMDB is a user generated source, and so fails WP:RS.

There are no sources in this article are both reliable and notable. That usually happens when articles are created for promotional purposes by COI accounts. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fair points.
I'd done a little googling myself, and had kinda convinced myself it just barely passed GNG, but you've looked in more detail than I did.
I agree that 9am.ro looks like tabloid crap.
The part about acting seems really clutching at straws.
I'm generally hesitant when it's quite possible that there are sources in other languages, but perhaps AfD would be the best approach - after all, AfD can help articles too, by raising the profile so that others might find RS. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 07:45, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ian.thomson- I agree! Thanks for taking the time to clearly list the invalid sources Indiggo77 kept using.
Indiggo77 also kept adding and re-adding that they are "fashion designers," "music producers," "composers" and that one of them had published poetry but never provided a valid source. I would then delete their unsourced claims, and they would re-add them...

I don't think Indiggo is notable for wikipedia.63.247.160.139 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure there's a Romanian Wikipedia, they might be able to do a bang-up job over there. Not all language Wikipedias have to cover all the same material. I wouldn't expect the Romanian Wikipedia to cover Hopkins, South Carolina, after all. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There's already ro:Indiggo, but their standards for V are likely considerably lower than here. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 07:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, ro does mention Hopkins, but it's a redlink so far. Better start learning the language, Mr. t :-) 88.104.19.233 (talk) 08:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can I now delete the sentence that says "Gabriela and Mihaela acted in the musical The Two Orphans in Bucharest, Romania in 2006" since the source for that is not a valid source, as Ian.thomson wrote about above?63.247.160.139 (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • If sources do not in themselves reflect notability, that is an issue for an AfD. But we do not not delete such refs, if otherwise appropriate, from the article just for that reason.
If refs don't support the text, that is reason for deletion of the refs and perhaps the text (if it is all that supports the text).
As to assessing a news source as a non-RS because it contains a numerology section -- that's not reason, in and of itself, to assert that the source is not an RS ... many top-RSs have horoscope sections, and are still RSs. If you have an issue with a source, bring it to the RS board for review, but you will need a better reason than that.
As to IMDB, the issue is a bit more complex than that -- you can get a sense for where we are by reading the strings here ....Epeefleche (talk) 00:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The website Indiggo77 added appears to be a dead link - http://www.draculasgirls.wetpaint.com/ so it should be deleted, right?63.247.160.139 (talk) 08:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indiggo77 also added draculasgirls.wikifoundry.com/page/Indiggo as their website. Is that not spam?63.247.160.139 (talk) 08:14, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Blimey, you could've warned me about the singing on that link! Heh.
a) yes, the deadlink should go
b) no, one link to an official website is acceptable per WP:EL
The additional MySpace link is debatable; personally I don't like them, but plenty of other articles have those as an EL. That's no big deal anyway. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 08:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(: Currently, the following websites are listed on Indiggo's wikipedia article:
draculasgirls.wikifoundry.com/page/Indiggo (near the top of the page)
http://indiggotwins.wix.com/indiggo (under External links)
http://www.draculasgirls.wetpaint.com/ (under External links)
https://myspace.com/twinsindiggo (under External links)
Which would you say is their one official website? 63.247.160.139 (talk) 08:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)63.247.160.139 (talk) 09:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first one. As far as I can tell, that's their official website.
The second is useless because it's dead.
And whilst according to WP:ELNO the myspace is disallowed, there are so many other articles (including lots of major artists) that have one I personally wouldn't bother removing it; also because it's really a pretty trivial problem. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AfD while protected?

It seems like this page should be deleted (IMO) and split into two pages (maybe), but the article subject is not notable as a pair. How can I nominate for deletion, or should I just wait? CombatWombat42 (talk) 17:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Please place {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the page. I will handle the paperwork. CombatWombat42 (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Barring some exceptional sources coming in and the group's business partners promising to back off (not saying who, but it doesn't take much to find out), this article needs to be scrubbed. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the protection I put on the article. I no longer believe that there will be an edit war because I don't believe that sockpuppets have been active at this page. If you want to nominate the page for AfD, or remove contentious material, be my guest. But anyone who edits this page, remember that this page has received additional scrutiny and anyone who starts an edit war again is likely going to be blocked to stop it. -- Atama頭 16:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if you do decide to nominate this page for deletion, please let Paul Lewis Smith know as a courtesy; this editor created the article and has been recently active so I expect they would be interested in participating in the deletion discussion. -- Atama頭 16:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) as I tried deactivating request as Atama has removed the protection (I also just closed an active request just above this by IP editors that leads me to believe that semi-protection may still be appropriate). — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 17:21, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I advise very strongly against semi-protection in the case of an edit war between IPs and standard editors; actually, I don't think an admin would do that (and they certainly shouldn't). If there is persistent vandalism from IPs it's common to semi-protect an article, but if semi-protection is done when there is a dispute then the administrator is effectively taking a side in an edit war against the IPs. That is automatically a violation of WP:INVOLVED and an abuse of tools. Usually in an edit war, you do one of two things; fully protect the article to prevent everyone from editing, or block those involved in the war (or at least the most egregious violator, such as the person who violated WP:3RR). -- Atama頭 17:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article cleanup

I just did a cleanup on the article as per talk page consensus. I have removed all the unsourced, fake and self-promotional content, and rewritten some to accurately reflect the few, near non existent reliable sources. There is no need to have sub sections in this short article as well. Many sources citations need adding titles but I don't speak Romanian. The current article should be unbiased and accurately reflect the sources. Although the page receives fewer than 30 view counts per day and the twins are relatively unknown to the public, keeping this article can prevent future recreation of the same article in unsuitable promotional language by their suspected sock puppets (check here). I suggest keeping this article. BigCat82 (talk) 21:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Could you remove this sentence please?

Currently, the Indiggo wikipedia article says "After seeing Mihaela and Gabriela acting in The Two Orphans, Romanian author D. R. Popescu wrote a play for them entitled Two Sisters, subsequently published in the Romanian-language collection of plays called Domnul Fluture si Doamna Fluture.[13]" The source after that is http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1086644-premiile-uniunii-scriitorilor-anul-2006.htm

As Ian.thomson pointed out, that hotnews.ro source does not even mention "Indiggo," "Gabriela," or "Mihaela" in any way. The source doesn't back up the claim that "Romanian author D. R. Popescu wrote a play for them entitled Two Sisters, subsequently published in the Romanian-language collection of plays called Domnul Fluture si Doamna Fluture.[13]"

Thanks. 63.247.160.139 (talk) 22:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BigCat82 (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

multiple kilobytes of weirdness

About this. Can we talk about adding it a little bit at a time per WP:BURDEN?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 05:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lizzie112079

Edited the Indiggo page as there were numerous false claims and defamatory comments. Have been following Indiggo for years and tried to objectively post background history on them with supporting links. The version posted on Wikipedia before was inaccurate about their profile. Lizzie112079 (talk) 06:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Lizzie112079Lizzie112079 (talk) 06:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You and the blocked user Indiggo77 have been adding the same unsourced, improperly cited materials and deliberate factual errors to the article. Assuming you are not a sock puppet of Indiggo77 and are unaware of the violations, you are simply not allowed to add those materials to the article, especially to the biography of a living person. BigCat82 (talk) 04:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Latest sock puppet: DavidLeib (talk/contributions). Same language, same unsourced claims. 63.247.160.139 (talk) 23:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In particular, the claim that we are "violating" the page: [2] and [3]. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indiggo77 is back as Lizzie112079

Sock puppetry! Blocked user Indiggo77 (talk) is back as Lizzie112079 (talk).

63.247.160.139 (talk) 12:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)63.247.160.139 (talk) 12:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)63.247.160.139 (talk) 13:11, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Hello there, I am not, have no connection at all, don`t even know who Indiggo77 is. That is a false statement. Lizzie112079 (talk) 17:43, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, you two have been adding identical unsourced or synthetic materials to the article. BigCat82 (talk) 04:13, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dan de Lint is using the same language and same invalid/self-promotional sources in their talk page request. See Dan de Lint's contributions. 63.247.160.139 (talk) 07:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or is it interesting that once y'all figured this out, Lizzie left and DavidLeib showed up? Ian.thomson (talk) 00:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 25 February 2014

1) The following paragraph would need to be revised appropriately or removed as the link claiming that - is dead, and no evidence supports its content. "They tried again the following year with "Lovestruck" but were disqualified before the contest due to not showing up for rehearsals and not providing the instrumental version of their song. The duo also missed their music video filming for the promotion of their song, claiming that they had some concerts in the United States.[4]"

2) Requesting the following to be added in, as The Indiggo Twins are Romanian-born American professional actresses, singers, writers, poets, composers, dancers, music producers and fashion designers. Evidence supporting these claims are that they graduated from the National University of Theatrical Arts and cinematography - UNATC, and at these links further evidence is given for the above: http://about.me/indiggo_twins http://draculasgirls.wikifoundry.com/page/Indiggo http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmusic/article/Imagem-Music-Signs-The-Indiggo-Twins-20110810

3) Requesting to add in that Mihaela and Gabriela are members of ASCAP. By clicking on the writers button and searching for INDIGGO TWINS one can check above statement as true https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx

4) Requesting that current version of article is revised as per the following statement - to become accurate: Gabriela guest-starred on the episode "Hothouse" of the television series Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, which first aired on NBC on January 13, 2009 and had a speaking role along Mariska Hargitay and Christopher Meloni. Evidence can be checked for this episode found at http://www.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70126212&trkid=7882979

5) Requesting for following paragraph to be removed as none of the 4 provided links provide any evidence which supports the paragraph "The audience were booing at Indiggo, and judge Piers Morgan called Mihaela and Gabriela Modorcea "the worst dancers and the worst singers in the entire competition", and they were eliminated from the competition.[1][5][6][7]"

Dan de Lint (talk) 04:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1) Yes, I agree that since that sentence isn't sourced it should be deleted.

2) No! There are NO reliable sources that confirm that "The Indiggo Twins are Romanian-born American professional actresses, singers, writers, poets, composers, dancers, music producers and fashion designers. Evidence supporting these claims are that they graduated from the National University of Theatrical Arts and cinematography - UNATC" PLEASE look at Talk:Indiggo#Problems_with_sources because conversations have already been had about this and the reasoning is clearly outlined by Ian.thomson above. Also see Wikipedia:Consensus.

3) I went to the link you provided and typed in "Indiggo Twins." No results returned. I typed in "Indiggo" and the website showed one result for "INDIGGO LOVE" and two "Writers" for "INDIGGO LOVE" as MODORCEA MIHAELA and MODORCEA GABRIELA. That appears to say that Mihaela & Gabriela Modorcea are members of ASCAP as writers (to be clear: not as singers, not as actresses, not as fashion designers, not as poets, not as dancers, etc.), right?
With that source, I think it is acceptable to edit the Indiggo article to say "Mihaela and Gabriela Modorcea are members of ASCAP."

4) No. It is not necessary to name-drop famous actors in the Indiggo wikipedia article. I deleted the "non-speaking role" bit so the Indiggo wikipedia article currently (and accurately) says the following: "Gabriela Modorcea had a cameo role on the episode "Hothouse" of the television series Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, which first aired on NBC on January 13, 2009." The netflix link you provided is not a reliable source for wikipedia. (Currently, the sentence about Law & Order: SVU doesn't have a source.)

-It appears that Dan de Lint created an account today, after Indiggo77 has been blocked and two other apparent Indiggo77 sock puppets have popped up on the Indiggo article... 63.247.160.139 (talk) 06:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For request 1, the content is attributable and I also found some other new sources to support it like [4], [5], [6], [7], and many more. As long as the sources exist and can be verified, they don't need to be accessible online. The official information of Eurovision Song Contest 2006 and 2007 can no longer be retrieved online as they are too old, but being unable to retrieve online doesn't mean the original two sources do not exist]. In fact the original Eurovision Song Contest 2007 wikipedia page created during 2007 has the above clear information there ([8]. This article will contain insufficient information to be notable if the above information is deleted. So I suggest keeping the information and putting "Eurovision_Song Contest 2007" as the valid source without the link, plus some optional independent sources I listed here.
For request 5, the content should be kept due to same reason mentioned above as it accurately reflects what happened during the show. Please differentiate between sources that do not exist and sources that are not accessible online - the latter can be cited as reliable sources here, the former can never be used.. BigCat82 (talk) 20:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding 2) The Broadway World content is lifted from the Imagem website: [9] Content there includes verification of their status and business relationship at Imagem Music. 108.11.253.7 (talk) 23:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC) [1][reply]

their business relationship at Imagem Music is already in the article. Other than that the primary source (Imagem) you cited gives nothing more. BigCat82 (talk) 02:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 19:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 28 February 2014

Please, unlock for correct editing. Piers Morgan's feedback is unsupported. It does not mirror the truth. There is a dead link to the NBC site. Please, delete "The audience were booing at Indiggo, and judge Piers Morgan called Mihaela and Gabriela Modorcea 'the worst dancers and the worst singers in the entire competition'", Please, add "After getting the thumbs-up from judge Sharon Osbourne who called Indiggo "fabulous", Piers Morgan approved the pair to go on to the next round in Las Vegas." http://askville.amazon.com/competition-twin-sisters-Indiggo/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=10544143 DavidLeib (talk) 21:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what I saw from the actual footages of the show on how they were eliminated. The current statement in the article correctly summarizes what happened and similar statements can be found in other reliable sources like [10] and [11]. Your link points to a forum discussion which is not accepted as a source here.BigCat82 (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 19:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1. Please, tell me your name, I can not talk to cats. 2. Yes, Sharon Osbourne gave Indiggo the thumbs-up and the audience was cheering for Indiggo in the first round. 3. Wikipedia should present neutral pints of view and accomplishments, not racist and malicious comments said by a "judge" who more than 100,000 have called for to be deported from the United States for his abusive, unsupported actions. David Hasselhoff commented that Indiggo did a lovely job. Why don't you post his comment? Morgan's comment was purely racist, stating that Germans have no taste in music and asked Indiggo to leave the country. I have seen Indiggo live at the Bitter End and in other New York clubs and their abilities as performers, writers, actresses are exceptional. The limitation of this article is not presenting them in a fair light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidLeib (talk • contribs) 23:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's non-neutral (outright dishonest and promotional) to pretend that that Piers Morgan loved their performance by omitting his statements. It's insane to say that anyone calling for Piers Morgan's deportation cared at all about Indiggo, when there are so many other things he's said that he's far more infamous for. Your promotional language is not a fair light or neutral either. Honestly, your sockpuppetry and advertising is getting tiresome, girls, knock it off. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence that stiridinromania.eu is a reliable source?

As far as I can tell, it appears to be a blog featuring news from Romania. There's no indication of editorial oversight, multiple authors, or even named authors. Everything's just posted by an admin, which tells me that it's really just a blog by someone who can't even adjust their username. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've flagged it as "reliable source?" within the article, because I think it is questionable. Of course, some news blogs are RSs. It is not clear to me whether this one is, for example, a derivative of this media publication that has been around since the 1950s. But I would suggest it be discussed at the reliable source noticeboard -- with reference to the text it is supporting -- if one wishes to delete it, and there uninvolved editors who deal with such sources all the time can opine. The edit warring here is out of hand. People have to stop reverting willy nilly, because they think their view is reasonable, and start using the reliable source noticeboard and similar tools, and tagging as RS? (as I have, to move things along in the meantime), in lieu of edit warring. Or, of course, editors will start to get blocked. And there is no reason for that.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Per BLP, any questionably sourced material should be removed immediately, though.
Unless presented with better evidence, it's real hard not to assume that "Buletinul de Stiri din Romania si Comentarii" and "Stiri din Romania" are probably as distinct as Fox News Channel and the Headline News channel. They all share the word "news," the Romanian news periodicals also containing indications that it's Romanian news.
As for edit warring, I assume you're speaking about the IP(s) and DavidLeib/Indiggo77, as I was was still within proper limits when dealing with Leib's censorship. I normally would have a problem with the behavior of the IPs, but they're one of the few things keeping the Indiggo girls "and their fans" (who definitely aren't sockpuppets) in check. If the socks were more solidly kept at bay by some other means, I'd not advocate on behalf of the IPs any there after. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ian -- yes, I was certainly not referring to you w/regard to edit warring, but rather with regard to the others you mention. I don't really see anything of a BLP concern that is sourced to other than a clear RS; it seems that the edit warring (at least point at least - I've no idea what it concerned before, and haven't checked) was about sources that were extra sources or were sources for completely non-sensitive, non-important material. I agree it does look like much of the other editing has been by socks and IPs, on either side ... which IMHO militates in favor of them appealing to the RS noticeboard on these matters, rather than their personal views of whether an RS is questionable and a BLP issue driving the conclusion. At the same time, it would be good if someone were to read the .ro sites, and determine which are RSs (it looks as though there is some German coverage as well, which makes sense as their SONY single was also produced by a major German label).Epeefleche (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NY Times sarcasm / "moving sample"

The Indiggo article should be changed to say:

A sample from Indiggo's LA LA LA is played on Murder to Excellence, a song on Jay-Z and Kanye West’s Watch The Throne (2011), what The New York Times sarcastically described as a "moving sample" from Indiggo.
(Currently, the Indiggo article misleadingly reads "Complete Music Update and Broadway World reported that the twins can be heard on rappers Jay-Z and Kanye West’s ‘Watch The Throne’ 2011 studio album (what The New York Times described as a "moving sample" from Indiggo appeared on “Murder to Excellence,” a song on the album)[1][9][10]...")

This is the source sentence in the New York Times: Furthermore, a close reading of the liner notes reveals gems: impossible-to-notice vocals by Seal (why?) on “Lift Off,” snippets from the Will Ferrell ice skating comedy “Blades of Glory,” freelance opera singers, a moving sample from the Indiggo Twins, “America’s Got Talent” punching bags and, as described here, “ambassadors of the great Romanian tradition” (which?). From http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/arts/music/jay-z-and-kanye-wests-watch-the-throne.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Does anyone else understand that the NY Times is being sarcastic?

This is Indiggo's LA LA LA that is sampled in Murder to Excellence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT5_EB4OMuU

This is Murder to Excellence - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yn5qj1pCj4 (the background la la la's are sung by Indiggo)

63.247.160.139 (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

better imo to just remove the derogatory opinion and just leave the fact - A sample from Indiggo's LA LA LA is played on Murder to Excellence, a song on Jay-Z and Kanye West’s Watch The Throne (2011) - Mosfetfaser (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, gone ahead and removed - (what The New York Times described as a "moving sample" from Indiggo appeared on “Murder to Excellence,” a song on the album) Mosfetfaser (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mosfetfaser- Would you object if I changed the current "Complete Music Update and Broadway World reported that the twins can be heard on rappers Jay-Z and Kanye West’s ‘Watch The Throne’ 2011 studio album." to "A sample from Indiggo's LA LA LA is played on Murder to Excellence, a song on Jay-Z and Kanye West’s Watch The Throne (2011)."? 63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, not at all -I did it - Mosfetfaser (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Movies and television section

The movies and television section of the Indiggo article isn't showing up for me. Can anyone else see that? 63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2014 (UTC) I fixed it, never mind.63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the removal of templates from talk page

Mosfetfaser deleted the templates at the top of the page that mention usernames associated with Indiggo. I reverted. Is there any rule against this? Thanks. 63.247.160.139 (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://de.imagemmusic.com/news.html?n_id=150
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