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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michael Tollemache

Hello Chris Troutman. I am Tom Bateman, an independent art history (& general) research assistant to Michael Tollemache and, although not employed by him, I therefore should be classed as a connected party. Nonetheless, I believe the BLP text submitted is indeed neutral and verifiable with No Original Research included. If I am incorrect, which I fully recognize as likely, I will address those issues but only after dealing with your comment as to the notability of the subject.

The reason for submitting the draft is because in WP SEARCH for Michael Tollemache one is directed to Edward Tollemache his nephew where there is an invitation to create the page "Michael Tollemache" and because Michael Tollemache is mentioned in two WP Bios - Edward Tollemache and Frederick Fermor-Hesketh, 2nd Baron Hesketh.

I submit he is notable on the following grounds: 1. he purchased the most expensive book in the world and is named in WP The Birds of America see under 'Recent Sales', which sale is also mentioned in Frederick Fermor-Hesketh, 2nd Baron Hesketh; 2. he has been written and talked about in the media including the BBC as cited in the draft submission and has arranged for important old master paintings to be acquired by many public collections both in the UK and elsewhere in the world - see or 3. he has contributed over several decades to the political debates involving the European Fine Art Trade and the British Art Market at government level, and acts as an occasional British government advisor on the export of works of art and acceptance in lieu of capital taxes - all as cited in the draft submission; 4. he is invited to talk to Societies on subjects relating to art history worldwide. For example, he spoke only last week to the Anglo-Indonesian Society in London on the 19th century Javanese artist Raden Saleh, having co-organized the 'Raden Saleh Colloquium' in London in 2008 and 2009 see notice of which will shortly appear on the website . Personal comment (NOT a ground for notebility, but relevant nonetheless), the chairman of the Anglo-Indonesian Society informed us that,when he accessed WP SEARCH Michael Tollemache for information for his introduction last week, WP redirected him to Edward Tollemache where Michael Tollemache is cited (correctly) as having stood as proxy for the Prince of Wales; that in itself is not an issue, but it gave said Chairman a rather odd slant to his art-historian guest speaker! I look forward to hearing on the subjects acceptability (or not) as WP 'notable'. Tom Bateman signed MichaelTollemache9329 (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

@MichaelTollemache9329: Sorry for the delay. When I saw your wall of text to me I decided to move on to other things and reply when I felt composed. Your exposition has left me in a terse mood so here's my terse reply.

First, the point you make at the end is really your motivation. Your boss went to a speaking engagement and the host lazily looked at Wikipedia and found an entry about someone else. This is not our concern and you are not the only person suffering this sort of problem.

Second, I am not the only person to decline your submission, so convincing any one editor is not the best manner to solve the problem.

Third, my decline was based on Wikipedia notability guidelines. Your boss is notable for one event, which doesn't pass muster. Furthermore, even having truthful accounts from other websites about speaking engagements does not make him notable, either. Those facts are verifiable but not notable. Perhaps if your boss was mentioned in journalistic sources like The Daily Telegraph or The Guardian we might assume more notability.

Finally, you have a conflict of interest. Your editing of an article like this is discouraged and has to be supervised, if not prohibited.

I am always flattered that people think enough of Wikipedia to feel that they, their client, or their idol needs/deserves an article. A lot of editors have been working on improving the reliability of this wiki so that it has the weight people like you attach to it. That reliability comes from maintaining standards and Michael Tollemache does not meet those standards. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

GAN Backlog Drive Award

		The Good Article Reviewer's Medal of Merit
		For reviewing 3 Good article nominations during the December 2013 GAN Backlog Drive!--Dom497 (talk) 04:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For reaching you goal to review 3 Good article nominations during the December 2013 GAN Backlog Drive! Dom497 (talk) 04:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I would like assistance!

I am trying to post my page on Sofloantonio. He's a YouTuber that owns two large channels. Is there a way you can help? Want the source too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniamedia (talk • contribs) 05:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

@Omniamedia: No, I can't help. There are lots of YouTubers out there but very few meet notability criteria. As you may have noticed, I had a hand in removing SoFloAntonio (Antonio Lievano) from Wikipedia for this very reason. While I understand that your company, Omnia Media, wants to help advertise "talent" (if you can call them that), this is not allowed. Wiki-PR and WikiExperts have already been banned from using Wikipedia to advertise. Unless you give this up, your company will be banned from Wikipedia, too. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:46, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

First of all sorry for my English, it's not enough good yet. I will try to improve my contributions following the instructions you send me. I usually write in the catalan wikipedia, but as English is the most important language in the world I try to enlarge your wikipedia with the things I know well from my homeland. Thanks again! Josep Azuara (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Dead links rechecked and verified live

Firstly, I'm sorry if this is not the correct way to reply to a comment you left on my article submission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Hao_Zhou. I rechecked the South China Morning Post and Courier-Mail links and found that the articles cited are there and available. I do not know if you are able to check screenshots but here are the articles I accessed just now: http://snag.gy/hvGPr.jpg and http://snag.gy/nTotF.jpg. I hope these are helpful to you. Thank you! Shahmatwu (talk) 03:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@Shahmatwu: Thanks for following up on this. It must have been a temporary network outage on my end. As you can see, I've accepted the article. Good work! Chris Troutman (talk) 04:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ahmad Kamyabi Mask

--Allen3 ^talk 09:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Battle of the Somme

I looked at the edit history for Battle of the Somme over that Macmillan reference, and I think your edit to move the material out of the lead and into the main body of the article was a good first step (it may still be undue weight there). I was kind of expecting to find a section on the talk page discussing this, but it seems the only discussion so far has been in edit summaries, at WT:MILHIST, and on user talk pages (this one and the one for the editor you warned). Kind of ironic, seeing as the advice given to that editor (who did clearly need warning) was to, um, start a talk page section about the edit. I think the last time I came across something like that, I did leave a warning, but I also created a talk page section and directed the editor to it for discussion. On a wider note, this article is one that should (IMO) be one that MILHIST editors and others attempt to return to featured status over the next two years, difficult though that might be. Carcharoth (talk) 01:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: Yes, you're probably right about the talk page issue. Sometimes I've started talk pages if I had to repeatedly revert. Often I just hit up the user to notify them and then allow them to bring the issue to the talk page if they really think they have merit. In this case, I was responding to the MILHIST call for help, so I simply wanted to stop the edit warring.

Yes, the current WWI backlog drive should ideally catch this article, too. I already have a work list of vital articles that lack sources so this article isn't on that list. I will look at it, though, and see what can't be done to improve it.

You're the first sitting arb I've ever interacted with so I'm glad it's on my talk page instead of on the drama boards. Thanks for contacting me. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:19, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014

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• : Operated from [[Udorn RTAFB]], Thailand), 1 March 1968

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Moshe Mann

Hi Chris,

I noticed that you nominated the article Moshe Mann for deletion, and I have made some effort to expand the article to include additional details and sources. I was hoping to expand more, but the book sources I want to use will not be available to me in the coming days. I expanded it to make sure to prevent deletion, but now I have noticed that it might be eligible for DYK. Therefore I am asking you that if you are satisfied with the additions, please withdraw the nomination so that I can nominate for DYK. If not, please let me know what else is missing.

—Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, I noticed that you actually withdrew a few minutes before I sent this message! —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)